Alright, start your guessing engines.
How many hero decks will there be? 6.
How many villain decks? 9.
How many environments? 5.
Not focusing on side decks, critical events, variants, whatever (although go nuts in the comments if you want), but let’s start guessing about who the 6/9/5 turn out to be!
Likely we get another new Hero and around three new Villains, following DE’s pattern of them being new standalone nemeses for OblivAeon heroes. We’ve already had Harpy and Thriya, so that leaves Luminary, who I think won’t share the spotlight with anyone else, and Lifeline and Commodora. The latter is a virtual certainty, and I wouldn’t put it past C&A to give us a deck for Middle-Aged La Capitan which is a Sentinels nemesis, a deck for Young La Capitan (the previously VOTM version) who is a Commodora nemesis, AND eventually a VOTM-style deck for yet another timeline variant of Maria Helena. As for Lifeline, his most obvious nemesis would be Countess Bathory, even if moving her away from Fanatic is a bit strange; the real question, though, is whether Lifeline will be one of the five existing Heroes we’ll get. They’re out of official teams to give us, so this set will just be a grab-bag of heroes, and there aren’t enough with a time-travel or universe-hopping theme to fill the whole set; they might very well throw Deadline in as a villain and Lifeline as a hero, since they come from the Enclave and the Enclave has access to trans-universal realities even if it doesn’t facilitate moving between them very well.
My guesses:
6 Heroes:
Visionary, Chrono Ranger, Parse (all known)
The Southwest Sentinels (to fight Capitan)
Omnitron-X (Time Travel)
Darkstrife and Painstake (essentially confirmed, as far as I’m concerned)
9 Villains:
Ennead, Apostate (known)
Iron Legacy, Dreamer, La Capitan, Miss Info, Wager Master
2 new unknowns
5 Environments
Tomb of Anubis (known)
Time Cataclysm, Silver Gulch, Final Wasteland
Æternus?
K.N.Y.F.E., as long as we’re getting visitors from other universes? I think it’s probably too early for Progeny, though.
I want there to be Fashion, but she shouldn’t show up any earlier than the Bloodsworn Colosseum and Sky- Scraper.
For environments, what about the Block and Enclave? Both kind of pocket dimensions, and there’s a lot of reality hopping going on.
Did they say Disparation would have a never-before-seen deck that’s impossible to anticipate, or was that in regard to later expansions?
Hero-wise, Visionary, Chrono, and Omni-X are all obvious. I don’t recall when they confirmed Parse, but I’ll take skywhale’s word for it. I’m about 50/50 between KNYFE (for The Block/FILTER connection) and The SW Sentinels (for La Cap nemesis and setting up Void Guard) for the last existing hero.
For a new hero, my guess would be Rambler, mainly since he’s been teased in the RCR rulebook. They’ve also been working on him longer compared to Darkstrife and Painstake. We could also get a prominent alt-universe hero (Heroic Luminary solo deck perhaps?).
1 new villain I think they might include is Death-Con (from Ep. 200). They said there were multiple iterations of Death-Con, with the strongest being Death-Con One, and the wording just screams villain + critical event to me. Plus it gives us a FILTER villain deck, just like how the Terrorform is a Revocorp villain deck.
Also, wow, 15 variants for the core game heroes coming in Disparation. A variant for everyone and then some. Though, it’s possible they could all be variants from the old game: Freedom 6 + (Normal or Xtreme) Prime Wardens + WWII Legacy and Bunker + Redeemer Fanatic + Horus Ra = 15.
Maybe you swap out the Prime Wardens for brand new variants. I’d like to see Arataki, Boldest Legacy, or Frostbite Absolute Zero, along with some complete unknowns.
I’m also hoping we see some new critical events for the core game villains; we have a huge library of alternate versions of them. Dawn alone could easily get a Citizen Dusk and a Citizen Storm critical event.
Why not? Dark Watch Setback showed up before regular Setback.
who?
I guess I should clarify that I don’t expect Kaargra in this expansion, and therefore not Fashion yet. However, they have defied expectations before.
Frostbite and Joe Parsons VI, both from Writer’s Rooms in June 2022. I think Frostbite was named earlier when they first mentioned Vampire World. Boldest Legacy was definitely a surprise to everyone though.
What connection does Fashion have to Disparation? She’s a space character.
I don’t think Rambler would become a hero deck, as they’ve outright said he’s not a hero, per se. I would expect to see him in an environment deck, at least, though I suppose it’s a safe bet that image we saw of him in the RCR book means he’s in Realm of Discord already?
Probably none. This is just me wishing ever since first hearing of her.
I do want to see Darkstrife & Painstake as well, but I’m not seeing a Disparation connection there. Not that everything has to be completely on-brand.
Also, I guess I missed the part where Apostate and Tomb of Anubis (and the Ennead?) were confirmed. Can someone point me to a Letters Page episode where those happened?
It wasn’t confirmed in an Episode (I don’t think), it was confirmed when Adam did a livestream of art for “the next expansion”, where he did art for Anubis and Apostate, and showed art of Tefnut (Ennead).
As for Darkstrife and Painstake, Christopher said somewhere (I believe a con of some kind) that, “one of the new heroes is actually two”, or something similar. They are also just as connected to Disparation as the Ennead and Apostate are (barely, if at all - mostly just different dimension stuff).
I think Southwest Sentinels are the most up in the air of my guesses, but I’m fairly certain they’ll be there.
I wish we knew the theme of future expansions so we could more easily box decks in. Gotta figure there’s a space one (K.N.Y.F.E. could be there instead) and probably a “bizarre” one (Tome or Arcane Tales, which covers a lot!).
Six hero decks is so limiting, especially since we know three already and are nearly guaranteed to have a new deck introduced.
My guess are the box themes left are Vengeance, then Space, and then OblivAeon.
I also personally expect KNYFE to be in the Vengeance one, as well as the Block and greater FILTER presence.
I don’t know the box themes for certain after Disparation but yeah I’m expecting at this point a space and vengeance box before OblivAeon. Not sure the order though beyond the redone OblivAeon box being last.
In that case, is it confirmed that the next expansion is Disparation, rather than an Infernal Relics equivalent? The latter would certainly be where you’d expect to find Darkstryfe and Painstake…
By the way, it wouldn’t make sense to do an entire deck for The Graey (it would basically be just fifteen blank cards, or something akin to EE Megalopolis but with three full sets of Hostages, Paparazzi, and Traffic Jams; in neither case would it be any fun whatsoever). But I do think some location along the lines of Diamond Manor or Anubis’s Tomb could have a “Portal to The Graey” card, so we could at least introduce the concept to alpha canon.
Okay, dusting off my old predictions.
I had originally guessed Visionary, Omnitron-X, Chrono-Ranger, Parse, Naturalist, New Hero as the six, based on some other slotting. I’m going to revise that set to:
For villains, I’m sticking with my original guesses and speculating on the three new ones:
I think we’re still getting La Capitan before her nemeses, just like we did in the previous edition.
For environments:
For fifteen hero variants: The Freedom Six, the X-Treme Prime Wardens, and four new variants we haven’t heard of (although Redeemer Fanatic and Horus Ra are also strong bets.)
Yes. It is on the back of the RCR rulebook, which we saw in a Kickstarter Update.
Oh, and Miss Info should be a Parse villain. At the very least, a CE should be.
Miss Info should really be a FF villain, and not just in Vengeance; Parse’s nemesis should be specifically Cosmotron, separate from regular Omnitron and 4 and OX. The relationship between Parse and Missy is more like an artifact of the EE’s structure, like the fact that Citizen Dawn’s deck has no connection to Insula Primalis’s deck despite her being headquartered there in lore, or the fact that Visionary has an entirely disadvantageous nemesis relationship with Dreamer regardless of whether she’s Dark or not. Harpy and Fey Court has shown us that the old status quo with regard to Nemesism is something they’re not afraid to change.
Open to being corrected, but I believe that Parse was created by the remains of Cosmitron, but never interacted with it pre-destruction.
My memory is that Parse is the original Miss Info’s Nemesis because she was the one who uncovered that Aminia Twain was Miss Information, whereas the Vengeance Miss Information was back to her rage at the Freedom Five. It’s a sort of non-linear nemesis issue; Miss Information hated the Freedom Five most, but they didn’t have any advantages against her so they don’t get Nemesis icons, whereas she and Parse were actually matched enemies.
I believe she was created by the creation of Cosmitron. She was looking at Omnitron’s code when OblivAeon interacted with it.
Looks like she shot it in the Enhanced Edition art for Targeting Arrow. Attributed to Cosmic Concurrence #1. Not sure if that was an “oopsy” before the Timeline Project, though.
There was a retelling of the Cosmic Omnitron story in the 2000s in the Cosmic Concurrence series that inserted characters who weren’t part of/around the first time.
In Rook City Renegades . . .
Disparation could follow those trends.
Also, I’m just going to quote the list of Hero Variants that I theorized could be in Disparation awhile back in another thread:
I think it’s very unlikely for Disparation to have both an Aeternus Environment deck and an Aeternus Villain deck.
Yeah, on reflection you are right. Aeternus isn’t a big enough deal for a hero, villain, and environment. I’m going to revise and say that the last environment will be an actual other universe, rather than a time travel zone.
In fact, I’m going to swing for the fences. The fifth environment will be The XTremiverse!
And speaking of swinging for the fences - C&A also mentioned in the last podcast that there is one deck in Disparation that no one would have predicted. What extremely weird new thing do we think they’re adding?
The Spanish Inquisition! Who could’ve expected that?!
@fjur - Unless “nobody could predict this” was a flat-out lie, there’s no way it could be something like Orbo or Secret Lads, because they’ve talked about those things. And it can’t be anyone else’s IP for obvious legal reasons.
I would be SO happy about that…but there’s no way in hell.
I don’t think Aeternus is going to be an environment, but I could be wrong.
Agree on most stuff. I actually don’t think the Southwest Sentinels are going to be in this one. I could be wrong, but they appear so much later than original planned (a side effect of C&A hashing out the timelines), I think that they’ll be rolled into a “Cosmic” set, either with their Void Guard decks, or have individual decks with Void Guard as their main alternates.
I think La Comodorra will be one of the heroes, here. If nothing else, the set is Disparation, and who are the main characters of Disparation V2? Maria and Jim.
If Iron Legacy is in there, I imagine that one of the Variants we’ll see is Young Legacy.
Not an environment, but I think we’ll be getting the XTreme Prime Wardens as variants. Maybe F5, too, though their XTreme story wasn’t as interesting.
I’m sorry, is there a connection I’m missing between Iron Legacy and Young Legacy? That doesn’t make sense to me.
And Southwest Sentinels don’t make sense in space, only Void Guard do. They also don’t work in Vengeance. And it’d be a real shame if the Sentinels didn’t appear as a stand-alone deck. I would actually be pretty upset about that.
I don’t think Comodora will be here, despite leading the book. She’d make sense here, but also still makes a bunch of sense in OblivAeon. And if she was going to be in this, why wouldn’t she appear in the back of the RCR rulebook instead of Visionary?
Legacy became Iron Legacy because Young Legacy was killed in his reality. So story-wise, her debut as a hero had to have come first.
Ahh okay, I guess that makes some sense. But if it was fully based off of timeline-reasons, she would be in the core box so she could fight Voss.
In hindsight, it may have been prudent to clarify that my previous post was in jest.
What??? I was sure you were seriously suggesting Santa Claus and The King of England might show up.
@fjur, @ronway is already in the Enhanced Edition!
Regardless of how well it fits into the story, an X-tremiverse environment would be totally awesome. It’s a universe they’ve visited a number of times, clearly resonates with the (meta and real) fans, is tied to a number of different character backstories, and would be EXTREMELY FUN. The art would be amazing and the games would be ridiculous. It’d be a shame for that not to hit the table. So I’ll get on board with that guess! 
I’m also in the camp that La Comodora is non-negotiable here. She headlines the book, her whole thing is time travel/dimension-hopping, and she appears in the story trying to repair the multiverse much earlier than OblivAeon.
Edit: I will also throw in a totally unexpected guess for something that I don’t think I see above, courtesy of my wife: Shear Force
Having listened to these episodes, while I can see Frostbite AZ, Boldest Legacy seems entirely pointless. He has a different personality and history, but his powers are largely the same, so other than not having the Baron Blade nemesis icon prior to his latest story, I don’t see what his card could have that would make him different from Paul the 8th in game mechanics terms. The only reason to make him a new card would be him having a different skin color, and IMO that’s a superficial difference that shouldn’t justify printing a new card. It would be the same as printing a card solely for a different costume that a hero wore for a while, when they had basically the same powers and skills and general toolkit; sure you could make up a different Power for them, or alter their HP, or pick different incap powers, but why? If the only real difference (in terms of the way they manifest in the card game) is the character’s appearance, they shouldn’t get a new variant IMO.
Not pointless, but I agree that he doesn’t seem to add anything unique from a mechanical perspective. I can see him being some kind of ally card, either in a on Oblivaeon-style mission or in a cross-dimension environment deck. Or some kind of event card. He’s one of the alternate universes that I would like to see fleshed out, maybe in some kind of alternate RPG setting.
Yeah, he’d have plenty of distinctive aspects in a roleplaying game (I don’t know SCRP, but the first RPG I ever played was Champions, and Joe 6 would definitely have very different Psychological Disadvantages and Perquisites than Paul 8, even if their Powers would be mostly the same). But Sentinels is such a simple game, mechanically speaking; that isn’t a bad thing, but it does mean many aspects are just too abstracted to matter. I mean, imagine a version of Paul 8 who’s exactly the same, except he can’t fly. This basically doesn’t change anything about his deck (at least in EE); you have to give Flying Smash a different name, and that’s basically it. Joe 6 is the same deal.
Regarding Boldest Legacy, keep in mind that one’s powers and skills are not all that matter. How one uses those abilities can make a significant impact. America’s Finest Legacy is a leader, while America’s Boldest Legacy is a fighter. He could get a variant that reflects that.
True, but Young Legacy already gives us the concept of a Legacy who deals damage personally rather than cheering on a team. And Grandpa Legacy does the “inspiring others to take significant action” thing. And F5 Legacy’s Overwatch could also have represented the more indirect form of inspiration that Joe 6 grants. Heck, we even have America’s Cleverest Legacy. How are they going to add anything to all this?
Yeah, I would expect a Boldest Legacy variant to have some kind of power that reflects his personal mixture of front-line fighting and non-violent activism, supporting the “Legacy decks are punchy-support” blend.
My immediate gut, if I were going to do a Boldest Legacy variant with no playtesting, would be:
Mantle of Revolution: Legacy may deal 1 non-hero target 2 melee damage. If he does, one ally may draw a card.
Giving allies card draw is something Legacy can do a bit of, but having his punches literally inspire people and give them more options feels appropriate, and is a trick that both doesn’t step on existing Legacy variants and matches both Legacy’s deck and Joe’s backstory.
Yeah, worth remembering that none of either Paul’s powers actually reflect his Legacy abilities – those come on his Ongoings. His powers are the ways he inspires others to fight. So they could easily come up with a “different way to inspire” power. Or, for something totally radical, what if the front of the character card said:
Insert appropriate quote about fighting for justice
Reaction: America’s Boldest Legacy deals the attacker 2 melee damage
Give him something to reflect Regeneration unique to his line.
Power: Redirect the next damage that would be dealt to a hero to this card, then that hero’s player draws one card and America’s Boldest Legacy regains 1 HP.
So he’s taking a bullet for Dr. King, helping in a non-violent way (like the Irish War for Independence), and recovering as only JP III and beyond can do.
I think those are both really cool powers (and an interesting reaction), but you’re both mixing up Hero and Hero character. FrivYeti’s should say “one other hero may draw a card” and Thunderbird’s uses EE terminology. It would get pretty messy with DE wording.
I was pretty sure “Hero” = “hero character card” while “hero target” = that plus anything with HP in a hero deck. Run it by the rules lawyers and I’m sure we can get a more concise version that meshes with DE.
Anyway, consider my vote cast for Boldest Legacy to appear in some form. If not a variant, at least in art somewhere or perhaps a new Mission Reward when we get back around to OblivAeon Redux.
Yep, that’s your EE brain talking. In DE, heroes are people, not cards.
The true heroes are the ones playing the game. (?)
after school special music plays 
That’s why I leave the development to the pros. 
For Boldest Legacy, I was thinking of a power that went all in on his regeneration, something like:
Power: Legacy regains 2hp or you may salvage an Ongoing card.
(maybe make it Ongoing, Limited card so you can’t spam Heroic Interception or Take Down)
I think the cleanest way to do this would be:
Power: Until your Start Phase, the next time an ally character would be dealt damage, redirect that damage to America’s Boldest Legacy and the associated Hero may draw 1 card. After damage is redirected this way, America’s Boldest Legacy regains 1 HP.
One of the biggest issues is DE doesn’t really have “next time” effects. Those sort of things require you to track whether or not they have happened yet, which is a bit of a hassle. I also feel like “associated” is an underutilized word - it only shows up twice in the core box (Frost’s Cryo Chamber and The Crucible)! But it’s so useful.
This makes me really wonder how they’re going to clarify what Heroic Infinitor is in DE… because he’s a bit of a mess (Hero Target, not Hero character card. Villain character card, not Villain target).
To a degree you’ve already got that with Bystanders in the previewed Spite deck and in the core set with stuff like Police Backup/Local Legal Expert. I imagine on a character card you’ll just see a line about this counts as a Hero target.
“Heroic Infinitor is a Hero target… but not a Hero character card. And he’s not a Villain target. Except on weekends, and holidays, and all throughout May…”
More than a hassle, it was pretty much one of the big selling points when they created DE originally, that there were no longer going to be any “invisible” floating effects that lasted for a time after being activated, and required tokens to track or the like. I don’t know how things like Stun Bolt are handled now, but I do remember Christopher saying it was “stupid” that Hypersonic Assault required you to remember that it had been played earlier in the round when it was no longer on the table, and that from now on all such effects needed to be ongoing cards with static effects and a start of turn destruction trigger. So the only way an effect like this proposed Joe 6 power could work is by building a whole new deck for him.
Grassroots Activism - Ongoing, Interventionism
Play this card next to a Hero Target. When that target would be dealt damage by a nonhero target, redirect that damage to America’s Boldest Legacy. If he takes damage this way, he regains 1 HP. Then destroy this card.
America’s Boldest Legacy - 28 HP
Liberator Power - One hero may draw a card. Discover one Interventionism and play it next to that hero.
Or when he has a double fizzbin already.
So, in the latest Editor’s Note, Christopher gave us a little preview by saying the name of one card from each of the seven hero decks in Disparation, those cards being:
So, why are there 7 hero decks but only 6 heroes? And who do you think each card belongs to? I’ll put my guesses below.
Well, I said elsewhere that I think the 7 decks and 6 heroes thing means that at least one deck is some kind of mini-deck or some other gimmick for Young Legacy. I can see her as some kind of… super variant (pun unintended) where some cards are swapped out, not just the hero card.
My guesses, in order:
Darkstrife and Painstake
Benchmark
Young Legacy
Visionary
Omnitron X
Parse
…and that last one I’m not sure. Can see it being D&P or Visionary. In which case the other is… Chrono Ranger? Maybe?
For card guesses:
For the 7th deck:
I’ve said in a couple places that the side deck idea would work well with Young Legacy and certain other variants. With the more precise accounting for the cards (on the hero divider cards in the box, and all), I can see instructions of “remove A, B, and C from the hero deck and insert X, Y, Z” for that sort of thing. Young Legacy is my main theory, but you mentioned SW Sentinels, so that might be how Void Guard is handled.
I think the best idea I’ve heard about what the 7th deck could be is a Chrono-Ranger Bounty deck. (I believe I first saw it by UnheardGrace in the Realm of Discord)
Which would make 2 cards for CR make a lot of sense… But “Take out the Trash” would also be a cool Bounty card.
I will likely be displeased if this is anything other than Darkstryfe and Painstake. IMO side decks are generally a bad idea; I wasn’t impressed by the handling of DE Operative, and even EE Kaargra Warfang, while I like her overall, the Title Deck being handled the way it was wasn’t the best approach to me.
I’m curious, what about DE Operative rubs you the wrong way?
This comes across like you’ve seen and played DE Operative. I’m not sure with what is public how you can make that conclusion already.
I think it would’ve been helped by being a side deck, as introduced in DE for RCR, since it would’ve allowed her to have a full deck and not have ten cards taken up by that.
Or the various different decks in Oblivaeon…
But… I think a “bounty” deck would be too limit. But… a Con deck? Some kind of limit assist, which has both bounties and CR’s weapons?
I’m more okay with OblivAeon, not because what they did was ideal, but because the goal they were shooting for was so much loftier that I’m more forgiving that they didn’t fully attain it. The only things I would really say failed about Blivs were the Aeon Man deck, which had only four different cards in it and thus didn’t really need to be a separate deck of mostly identical cards, and debatably the fact that Oblivaeon was a booklet with three different modes, when they could have gotten him down to two modes so he could be a standard two-sided villain. If he was to be this booklet instead, then he should probably have had at least four distinct phases, and even that could have been handled with two double-sided character cards that flip independently. But as I say, this and other complaints I have about Blivs are all just wishing that I was given the world on a shinier and more silvery platter; what we got was more than reasonably satisfactory.
My issue with Kaargra is just that she feels like she should have been second only to OblivAeon in being a completely separate game mode, and instead she feels only slightly different from a standard villain, about at the level of Dreamer and Miss Info for how atypically she plays. As to Operative, no I haven’t played her, haven’t played DE at all in fact; I’m going off the previews we all saw. But I think the Orders thing for her, along with Loaded for Expat, is just kind of a hacky and ugly approach to handling the writing of rules. It makes me think of a government document saying “refer to paragraph 77 subsection D”, instead of just telling you what to do in plain English.
I really think you ought to give it a try before dismissing it. Omnitron was actually the first to use a mechanic like this, in the core set, and I think it’s implemented really well in that deck. It’s also essentially what Argent Adept has always done.
Really not sure what your comparison about government documents is supposed to be, because everything you’ll be doing will be written down right in front of you, as in DE the only card text you need to worry about is that which is in play.
I wish we had a pinned editable post or wiki page for consolidated “confirmed” expansion info.
I think we have half the heroes for Disparation. I could take a stab at assigning the 7 cards, but I’m coming up with some heroes that don’t fit the “theme” of the set. This includes Darkstrife & Painstake in my mind - as jazzed as everyone is, I don’t see how they belong to Disparation.
Okay, ranked choice:
Justify the Means
Systems Iteration
Take Out the Trash
Forget What You Saw
Reprioritize
This one’s tough, being so vague. If I’m trying not to double up on first picks…
Optimized Efficiency
Man, very mechanical again. Too many options…
Enthrall
Now, watch as they throw something completely from left field at us and it all makes sense then. We’ve probably still got ~4 months before kickoff as I don’t think they’ll begin another Kickstarter campaign until RCR is at least mostly distributed.
I wonder if Forget What You Saw will be the new Buffer Overflow. It always bugged me that Parse plays more like a control deck than Visi.
In the case of The Organization, this is largely intended. It’s an Organization, after all, and having this hierarchy of Chairman->Operative->Underboss->Thug is kind of the point. We went through many iterations to make it as smooth and un-fiddly as possible.
Expat, too, went through a lot of iterations to get the gun/ammo relationship working the way we wanted. It reads more gimmicky than it is. Jerry Holkins tried Expat in the streamed game vs. Apex, and he got how it worked instantly. The same thing could have been accomplished with more words and more reading, so I’m pretty happy with it the way it is.
I hope that gets VOD’d soon. Livestreams aren’t usually my thing, and I would love to see that game.
oh nice! I saw christopher retweet this and brain-farted on what “PA” might mean XD
Thank you! I couldn’t find it. My google-fu is weak, this week.
The whole seven hero decks thing is really kind of strange to me. Having extra cards to replace in a deck for a variant would be pretty clunky. It also doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to have two decks to represent different aspects of a character (Visionary/Dark Visionary or Darkstrike/Painstake) when DE has been productively using and developing ways to achieve the same effect with a single deck (like Suddenly! cards in Alpha’s deck). And why have a separate deck for Bounties or whatnot when we already have all the Summon, Discover, etc. mechanisms? A separate deck might save a little shuffling, but they clearly haven’t shied away from driving a lot of shuffling with those keywords in the core set, as some single cards already force that multiple times.
Here are my suggestions:
I have made this happen in custom content for EE, it’s totally possible. 
I think the reason for this would be that it makes them only accessible through certain avenues, as opposed to being able to randomly pick them up. And it allows for more of them, without the possibility of cluttering the deck.
I’d be interested in seeing these examples. Multi-hero decks such as The Sentinels, Law/Order, or the Nightlore Trio version of Starlight are a recurring passion of mine; seeing the reverse, a multi-deck hero, strikes me as the kind of thing that’s right up my alley (currently the closest thing we have is probably Drift, whose cards all have two versions depending on where your tracker is).
What about if one of the decks was like a ‘sidekick’ deck?
This would require a rules addition, with Sidekicks being optional. Sidekicks would be Heroes with their own character card, but would be associated with a main Hero, and all their cards would play in the hero’s play area. Sidekicks wouldn’t have a power, however. Instead, they would have a ‘Support’ keyword (similar to The Operative’s ‘Command’ keyword). Then the main Hero would need to use their ‘& Sidekick’ variant, whose power would be to use the ‘Support’ effect of their Sidekick. This ‘Support’ effect would be to play the top card of the Sidekick side deck, or something similar.
Sidekicks are useful, often times providing a helping hand at a critical moment, or foiling the main villains plan in the background while the Hero is going toe to toe with them in the foreground. But sidekicks also get into trouble, often requiring the Hero to take time and effort to rescue them. The Sidekick deck could have useful one shots as well as ongoing cards that help the Hero out, but also some that cause complications for the hero. The tradeoff is giving up the Power of the Hero (which usually helps them build their engine) in exchange for the Support of the Sidekick, which could be more powerful or possibly a hindrance.
In addition, if the Sidekick counts as a Character card, it can also be Incapacitated. All the cards from the deck would go away, but it would still have a Support effect on it’s incapacitated side that would be something smaller, but still helpful, much like with Heroes.
This could also work with a dual Hero situation, where one is the main Hero, but can call on their companion as their ‘Power’, who has their own separate deck with its own effects. However, with the Sidekick mechanic, multiple characters could have a ‘Sidekick Variant’ allowing them to play with any Sidekick.
Also, not a Disperation guess, but literally less than three minutes ago, it occurred to me we might get a “restored” Mr Fixer variant in the Oblivæon set at the end.
It’s not impossible, but I can’t think of any character in the lore that it would match, and I’ll be surprised if we get a hero deck that we’ve never actually heard of. Sentinel Comics is shockingly low on sidekicks as a concept; the closest you usually get are folks like Unity or the Idealist, who are still full heroes in their own rights.
They discussed it in the D-List Heroes episode. I sent in a letter about my love of sidekicks and kid/teen heroes, and they mentioned they thought the concept was a little too fraught with unfortunate implications nowadays outside of specific scenarios, which is why they don’t write about them much here.
A good example of why people should stop overanalyzing the supposed implications of things, and just enjoy stuff that’s fun at face value.
Okay, I’ve been giving it some thought, and based on the cards given and some conversation, I’m going to take a revised wild stab at our Disparation contents prior to the reveal next month:
Heroes: 6
(This leaves Justify the Means to be either a Bounty for Chrono-Ranger, or a secondary card for a double-deck for D&P)
Here’s my justification - we’re not likely to see the Sentinels in the same set as another multi-hero deck, and KNYFE fits the space stuff really well and I still think we’re going to get a space-themed set. La Comodora seems too early to me still. But Guise has multiversal awareness and connections, while being a popular guy and an early deck in the original game.
Villains: 9
The Ennead are from another universe, and Apostate is part of the general explosions that come with Disparation. The rest are either multiversal threats or, in the case of Wager Master, a straight-up multiversal being. I think we’ll also get Fall of the Prime Wardens as an Apostate event, and Busybody as a Miss Information Critical Event given her similar theme.
Counterargument to Guise: He should be in a box with The Scholar.
Additionally, I think it makes the most sense have the Southwest Sentinels in the same box as another multi-character card Hero deck.
In Letters Page 237, I thought C&A said that Darkstrife and Painstake were very minor heroes during the multiverse era. They never get their own book, and only on rare occasions take over something like Justice Comics for a short arc, then disappear again. Popular as they seem to be, they just don’t seem prominent enough for a deck.
They may not be prominent, but they’re AWESOME, and even though I don’t currently play DE, I’ll be very sore if they invent characters this cool and don’t ever publish them in a playable form.
Oh, was I first call it with K.N.Y.F.E. in this thread?! 
Guess I figured because she’s from a different universe.
Who will be hero #6 then? Is the community still leaning toward Darkstrife & Painstake?
Congrats! Looks like I should have stuck with my November prediction of KNYFE rather than switch it up to Guise.
I’m definitely still strongly leaning Darkstrife and Painstake as the sixth, although it’s also been suggested that we might see Rambler in this set and have those two show up in a future set, which would make sense timing-wise; Rambler showed up in Letters Page stories a little while ago, and C&A could still be working on D&P right now.
Well, as much as I feel that La Comodora is the best lore fit for the sixth hero and that Darkstrife and Painstake don’t make sense for several reasons, waiting on the reveal of D&P as the mystery new hero fits the same pattern they established with Alpha.
They have been awfully careful about ensuring that we have no visual of DS&PS as yet…
DP&PS May not make sense from a “multiversal” standpoint, but we know that Apostate and the Ennead will be in this set as well, which opens up “realms” being thrown into the mix. Which makes them make a ton of sense.
There’s the multiverse angle, but also, they were created so recently and they’re established to be very minor heroes in the multiverse era.
Minor, yes, but occasionally significant, like the whole thing they did the other week, including discussing when they were created and when they had their own stories.
And… here’s the thing. Maybe it’s bad to go off on a sample size of 1, but after the various reveals with RCR, I think they’re going to try to have new stuff in each expansion, heroes and villains that weren’t in the original version. Like Alpha. So unless they pull out Fashion in a surprise reveal (and she seems more an RPG thing), D&P are the only available.
They have admittedly been talking about Fashion longer. Ultimately the question is whether they have a space expansion planned, as she would obviously go in that. For disparation, both Fashion and DS&PS would be a stretch, as neither of them is from another timeline, but both of them are loosely from “other realms” (the past in Fashion’s case, which would very loosely place her into the same category as Chrono Ranger).
The past is not another realm. If anything, it is another universe, but I think she’s still in the universe she originated from.
Christopher has also said that one of the heroes will be two, which only makes sense for DS&PS.
Chrono Ranger did originate in the past but he ends up in an alternative future. From that with CON he is trying to prevent that future and easily fits as being from another universe/timeline at that point.
Fashion seems extremely unlikely to appear in any SotM set to me. Yes, Fashion did exist as a super hero during the '50s, but only as a gimmicky teenage romance super hero, which I don’t think had enough substance for a deck. And if my memory serves, her reappearance as an actually cool hero in the '10s was extremely close to OblivAeon, moreso even than Benchmark. (Thus, I think that it is almost a certainty that she’ll appear in the RPG’s space book.)
Citation needed. “Realm” is a pretty vague term. If they could broaden the focus of disparation to include Aeternus, by the same logic as the Oracle of Discord originally appearing in the Dispo book, and most of Dispo-the-set is focused on alternate timelines such as Iron Legacy, then time travelers could also qualify as having “come from another realm”, and thus Fashion is still a conceivable inclusion. I do think she’s less likely than DS&PS, and I’m far less interested in her, but she does predate them in the podcast’s lore by quite a bit…hell, she predates Alpha, so if they ever plan to publish her, she’s already overdue. And the hype train is a lot more likely to lose moment for her… everybody wants to see the twins, and thus making them keep wanting thus for another year seems like it would be the better choice in terms of brand management, if they do eventually plan to release both them and her. Fashion is far more likely to just fade out of the fandom’s interest level almost entirely if they keep us waiting too long, something very unlikely to ever happen to the Aeternals.
Timing on when to release a certain deck doesn’t matter. They’ve mentioned they already know what they’re going to release and in what order. To me I think there will be excitement for any new deck regardless of when they’re introduced.
I don’t think that the term Realm is very vague, at least how it’s been used in Sentinels. True, we haven’t really gotten a definition for it, per se, but we have plenty of concrete examples: the Realm of Discord, the Host, Clarity, the Græy, the Egyptian Underworld, Myriad’s Demon Bug Dimension, Quetzalcoatl’s Plane, et cetera. I think that the term’s sufficiently distinct from timeline or universe.
Of course, this is just semantics, and none of it prevents the Twins from showing up in Disparation, especially if Apostate and the Ennead will be there.
Time travelers generally come from another universe. Sentinels has very rare true time travel (within the same timeline), and I believe Fashion is one of them.
It is my understanding that “realms” are more similar to the ideas of “planes” present in the world of D&D.
Possibly, depending on one’s definitions. Fashion did travel through time, but simply in the same forward direction that we all do. She just got here somewhat slower 'cause of the space time dilation.
Not including Fashion would lead to a player revolt, IMHO. I might have to take extreme measures like a strongly worded letter! Hmmmph! 
Makes me wonder what The Angry Taxpayer and other writers might say about it.
Really though… I think they said she existed all the way back to early Enhanced Edition or before. That’s way longer than Alpha or Darkstrife & Painstake. I’m pretty sure they’ve indicated she’s out of the Bloodsworn Colosseum by OblivAeon time at the latest, since the other gladiators help in that fight. I know her book isn’t revived until the Sentinel Comics Universe, but I think she still has a place in the Multiverse era.
Those people who are sticklers for timelines and issue dates, when do her stories with the Celestial Codex and Greaser teamup take place? I think those were Cosmic Tales and not the Fashion book, but they are before the end of the Multiverse, correct?
In TLP episode 167 the issue is about Fashion and is from 2013. This occurs 3 years before OblivAeon and happens before we get Stuntman later that same year.
If I had to guess, then, Fashion will take the place of Harpy (and possibly La Commodora) in the Oblivaeon set as one of the last-minute heroes.
The other possibility would be to have the Rambler appear as the sixth hero in this set; he’s made it into cards already, and C&A were designing some of his stories last year when they would have been laying the groundwork for Disparation.
edit Fashion escapes from the Bloodsworn Coliseum in 2013, and the Celestial Codex story was later that year. She pops up a few more times between 2013 and Oblivaeon in 2016, but doesn’t headline her own book. So there is room for her to get a deck, but it does seem like we wouldn’t see that deck until Oblivaeon.
Looks like the update schedule on Backerkit shows 1 new hero, 3 new villains, and 1 new environment.
AAAAHHH!!! 
What’s this, variants in the video?! Heroic Galactra for Captain Cosmic, Boldest Legacy, and Ashen Heir Virtuoso?! And Principles, which sounds like it could be putting an Event type card behind a hero to modify them?! Can’t wait for the whole rat to be iced up!
Right? The Ashen Heir looked like it was specifically merging the Nightmist and Argent Adept decks. I like that idea. Yes, could be complicated… but the idea is that they would be complicated.
I also recall that A&C originally wanted Captain Cosmic to have Infinitor’s “Manifestation” keyword with a variant. Sounds like the Principles is a way they could do that, if the merge could be with villain decks, too. That could be… really interesting.
Aha! Thanks for pointing out that there are more deets visible in the video!
Don’t forget the “extreme” bit. Or should I say “XTREME!”
If you want a list of deets things that myself or other people noticed:
Villains:
Apostate (from Adam’s art streams)
Dreamer (she’s in several bits of the card arts seen)
La Capitan
Miss Information (“Administrative Assistant” shows in the trailer video)
Necrosis (From Letters Page Episode 190: In the KS main pic there’s a villain deck where [-osis] is readily visible in the glitches)
Environments:
Aeternus (If you zoom in on one of the pans in the trailer you can see a tiny title bit on one of the decks that starts with “A”)
The Block (The purple square back, plus seeing Free Radical as the update to the Time Crazed Prisoner art)
Final Wasteland (Can see title bit on the back, plus Chrono-Ranger riding the worm)
Silver Gulch (One of the backs, plus Legacy lifting the Explosive Wagon)
Tomb of Anubis (Adam drew Anubis in one of his art streams)
It’s kinda interesting how the term Principle has migrated over from the RPG to SotM. There’s no knowing how similar they’ll be to SCRPG Principles, of course.
Really? What variant of Captain Cosmic? Requital wouldn’t really make sense as Nigel was dead by then (I think), so there’d be no reason for it to interact with him.
Cue the Star Wars jokes.
What the Forbush does Necrosis have to do with Disparation? (Or magic stuff, for that matter.)
I wanted Materio (Inverseverse Nigel), but we got Galactra instead.
Necrosis came about from decisions Naturalist made in the main timeline after consulting with the Oracle of Discord.
It could be another villain we haven’t encountered yet that ends in [-sis] (as I don’t think we have any others that end that way?), but poor Benji is actually connected to Disparation.
If they’re filling out other variants for the core set heroes who didn’t get one in RCR, my vote goes to Frostbite Absolute Zero as the reluctant “hero” of Vampire World.
I thought it was Requital, to represent him taking on his brother’s mask and power. But it was a while ago.
Isis? I think the Ennead are confirmed to be in this set, although I wonder what size character cards they’ll have?
You’ll note that June 2022 was “Disparation Month” for The Letters Page, which featured stories about three disparate heroes: Galactra Cosmic, Boldest Legacy, and Frostbite. The former two have been confirmed, so the latter one doesn’t seem too unlikely.
Now that La Capitan’s Nemesis is no longer the SW Sentinels, who do y’all think the Sentinels’ Nemesis will be? Quetzalcoatl? Someone related to Fort Adamant? Chokepoint? Night-Snake? None of those seem like very good candidates…
No it wouldn’t be the Ennead, fwiw, as the lettering I was referring to is visible on the back of one of the villain decks, not in the character card area.
New Villain would be my guess. Or Chokepoint. Unless they decide to do something with Dr Nolan.
It’s a fascinating question. We know that there were only 36 issues of Southwest Sentinels before they got transformed into the Void Guard, and we know the broad strokes of almost everything that happened in that time. It doesn’t feel like there’s room for a new major nemesis to appear. Hell, aside from La Capitan and Quetzacoatl, I’m not clear that there are any villains that they even fought a second time.
Right? The overly short SW Sentinels run after they nailed down the timeline makes me think that the group is going to have a smaller footprint in DE (a bit like how Visionary wasn’t in the core set). As I’ve said elsewhere (either in this threat or another), I wouldn’t be surprised if SWS and Void Guard get mashed into the same deck(s) and released as an Oblivaeon nemesis.
Nolan seems pretty unlikely to me; the Sentinels have literally never met him. If anything, I think Antimox would be a Mini-Nemesis for Young Legacy. (Assuming that Mini-Nemesis will be in DE. I sure hope they will, though; they really added a lot a flavour and expanded the setting.)
JUDGE MENTAL is a possibility. (Note that Captain Comic’s never really fought him—sure, Hugh Lowsley has, but that’s not the same thing.)
Let’s see, who else have the SWS fought? There was the Organization that one time, and the Slaughterhouse Six, and the Bloodsworn Gladiators, but none of them really fit.
Also, none of the new Villains thus far were previously Mini-Nemeses that were upgraded to full-deck status, so it seems somewhat unlikely that Quetzalcoatl or Judge Mental will get that treatment.
Also also, I know that this isn’t anything new, but I never noticed this line from Miss Info’s bio before:
“Hiccups?” Mr. Parsons asked in his usual, genial manner. She felt her stomach churn - how did she ever find that phony charisma so charming?
Additionally, it looks like Miss Info is (maybe?) the first character to get a noticeable costume redesign.
Looks like, though Gloomweaver’s stuff felt different, what with the statue and stuff. Thought the bit about her being a hero target on the first side was a nice touch.
I think Visionary’s change was fairly noticeable in her appearances thus far.
If it was going to be a mini-nemesis upgrade, my money would be on the Crackerjack Crew; they’re the only ones that are confirmed to have been recurring opposition. But my understanding is that they were always pushovers, never big battles.
Right. My understanding is that they only became a serious threat in the RPG Era once Drudge got them organised.
Regarding costume changes, La Capitan’s coat is now no longer buttoned, Chrono-Ranger has a different under-shirt, and Parse’s getup is pretty different. Omnitron-X’s clothes are exactly the same, though.
I’m really liking Parse’s new logo, what with the pixelation and li’l arrow. Also, it looks like the DeathCon on “Exploit Vulnerability” is wholly robotic, compared to the other, cyborg one we’re familiar with. Furthermore, did we know about Hangman? (Who’s alluded to by Setback on “Syntactic Analysis.”) Also, I like Setback’s clumsy attempt on that card to show that he can analyse things too.
Hangman popped up back in the Wraith villains episode in 2019; he was one of the minor villains they designed, and then I don’t know if he’s ever been mentioned again.
His shtick was initially that he was the Vigilante Who Thinks The Wraith Isn’t Brutal Enough; I’m curious what possibly got him working with other villains instead of trying to murder them.
Ennead reveal! Awesome! Icons need another touch up. “Hand” looks like “Isis’ Magic Wand™”, not so awesome. 
I notice that Atum’s EE spandex was replaced by a more Egyptian getup, while Tefnut’s plain brown outfit was upgraded to something more ornate. Plus she now has blue hair, which I suppose fits with her watery nature.
It’s cool how the relics’ HP are all 9; nice use of Arc Number.
Also, The Crook & Flail of Osiris’s END PHASE effect is really nifty for anyone who knows his most famous story, in which he dies and is resurrected.
always been a big fan of the Ennead, and not only do we get to have their Relics as cards, I’m liking the way they’re set up as well! 
not to mention “activate X effects” is way nicer than “oops you discarded the top card of the villain deck, time for damage, idiot!”
Yeah, trigger on trash for any reason was pretty harsh. I’m just hoping there’s not an updated member with [symbol] Play the top card of the villain deck. You could end up going through a quarter of the deck at once if it was stacked against you! 
So, I’m starting to wonder if we are getting Rambler. He’s showing up in art, he’s getting flavor text quotes. Which is more than can be said for the siblings.
I dunno. I think a dearth of Darkstrife & Painstake info means they’re just holding back before a big reveal. Someone pointed out it looks like two cards together blurred out in one image. And the latest podcast episode kinda drives home the point that Rambler is not very heroic, at best the most antihero of them all.
It’s cool that Anubis’s HP got bumped up to rival that of Heroes. Also, I agree with Christopher that FWASSH is great.
Speaking of which, what is Rambler’s relationship to Urshe? Do they have some kind of bargain?
As for the potential of Rambler getting a Hero deck, I’m fairly certain that C&A have explicitly said that he’s really a neutral third-party, neither a hero nor a villain, and so will not be getting a hero deck. (Although I do not remember where they said this, so…)
Also remember that C&A can and do select their previews to avoid anything they want to keep secret longer; they did as much with Alpha references during the Rook City leadups.
They did explicitly say that Rambler technically falls into the category of “heroes” despite not always acting like one. And they did go into an awful lot of detail in this episode about how he fights. The way he was able to bind a demon and stick it to the floor, and then later call upon beings he’d extracted bargains from in the past… there’s definitely the makings of a deck there.
They definitely have not said he’s not getting a deck.
I don’t even remember when they introduced Rambler or almost anything else about him, but after the latest podcast I feel like anyone who gives a Spite-in-a-box to Gloomweaver falls squarely in the “villain” camp…
As much as I’ve said I want Rambler to get a deck, my bet has been on the Soul Twins ever since WalkingTarget pointed out to me that during one of the panning shots in the trailer you can see an environment title that looks like it starts with “A”.
I very well could be mistaken; my memory of the statement I’m referencing is admittedly somewhat fuzzy.
Also, there is the possibility of both DS&PS and Rambler getting DE decks; both of them won’t be in Disparation, of course, but whoever we don’t get in this box could appear in a future set, as there are still three of those, and not many other candidates (that we know of) for new Hero decks, besides Fashion (who I still think will be solely restricted to the RPG).
Another piece of evidence in favour of the Demon Twins is that—correct me if I’m wrong—they have been confirmed to have had some miniserieses during the Multiverse Era and an ongoing book Post-OblivAeon, whereas Rambler hasn’t had any dedicated books.
Reminds me of a talking to a friend years ago… specifically about Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the character of Giles. At the time, this was just after the “Glory” arc, and the friend described Giles as “FOR the good, but NOT a good guy.” Remember that, so many years later. Rambler brought that out of the deep storage, as it were.
Seems the only reason Rambler, after that story, isn’t a full-on villain is because Spite’s body count during the Agent of Gloom and Rotting God stories was low because the arc was shortened due to Oblivaeon. Not really sure I would want that dude as a deck. Would be like the CrackJaw Crew getting a hero deck during Oblivaeon.
Iron Legacy. Interesting flip mechanic, with Onmitron-like “if X damage is delt, Y happens” thing. Guess the flip side will be some kind of brief breakdown where he’s more vulnerable, but doing more damage.
Check out that nemesis symbol.
I think there are three caveats in play here.
The first is that it’s not clear to me, at least, that Rambler knew Gloomweaver would be able to deploy Spite in the real world, rather than just having him as a spiritual minion. Given that C&A discussed this as a time that Rambler’s hubris got the better of him, I suspect he badly underestimated what Gloomweaver would be capable of using Spite.
The second thing is that we don’t know what Rambler got out of this whole thing. Given his “the greater good” approach, it’s distinctly possible that he saved a lot more lives than Spite killed. Which doesn’t make it right, but loops back around to “a hero who’s a bit villainous”.
And finally, Rambler’s current body count seems a lot lower than those of Baron Blade, Akash’Bhuta, Deadline or possibly even Ambuscade, all of whom got hero decks during Oblivaeon.
Deadline and BB, indeed. Akash was deliberately a recreation, a change, and depending on your take on redemption, and I believe in the Mainstay/Stuntman episode, C&A said that Ambuscade had an unusually low body count for a villain.
But yes, point taken.
Oh my… missed that on the first look…
Or where he doubles down on healing and defence while not focusing on damage so much.
True, but the Hero decks of those villains-turned-heroes represent them acting, well, heroic; whereas a Rambler Hero deck would represent his entire morally ambiguous career.
That would certainly make sense—Ambuscade is a hunter of heroes, so the only civilian deaths he would ever really be responsible for would be wholly accidental. Plus Haka is his nemesis, who is always very concerned about defending innocents.
Former Allies remains the saddest art. : ( I wonder if we could convince Adam to release the unobscured art of the new group photo like he did with the original barbecue pic? Also Final Evolution still has one of Blade’s best quotes.
I feel like anyone who knows at least a little bit about Gloomweaver and a little bit about Spite should also be able to trivially put together the idea that giving Spite to Gloomweaver is likely to lead to body counts, gloom, etc.
Since it’s the weekend, let’s get guessing on the upcoming reveals.
Monday, March 20th: Hero Update — Visionary?
Tuesday, March 21st: Principles Update! - Perfect time for Dark Visionary stuff
Wednesday, March 22nd: Villain Update — Dreamer?
Thursday, March 23rd: New Environment Update — The Void?
Friday, March 24th: Hero Update — Omnitron-X?
Monday, March 27th: Villain Update — [redacted]
Tuesday, March 28th: Environment Update — [redacted]
Wednesday, March 29th: New Villain Update — [redacted]
Thursday, March 30th: Hero Update — Knyfe?
Friday, March 31st: New Villain Update — New Knyfe Nemesis?
Monday, April 3rd: Environment Update — [redacted]
Tuesday, April 4th: New Hero Update — [redacted]
Wednesday, April 5th: New Villain Update — [redacted]
Thoughts?
Personally, I think they’ll likely save Visionary for later, probably after Omni-X and KNYFE, if she does have the unique mechanic of a side deck.
Also, hasn’t someone confirmed that the New Environment starts with an “A,” so it can’t be the Void?
Furthermore, I don’t see the need for a new KNYFE nemesis; what’s wrong with ol’ rocketship head? Granted, it’s certainly possible that she’ll get one, but it seems unlikely.
that totally says Aeternus
Hmm, this does bring up an interesting query: @Jeysie’s pix have all-but-conclusively proven that there will be an Æternus Environment Deck in Disparation, which itself lends a lot of credence to the idea that the Twins will also be appearing in this set. But it seems very unlikely to me for there to be both an Æternus Environment and an Æternus Villain, so then who will be the nemesis of 'Stryfe and 'Payne? Martyr or Busybody seem most likely.
Then, assuming the Hero reveals will just go from right to left, it looks like we can expect it to go Visionary, KNYFE, O-X, and then DS&PS.
Yeah, that pretty clearly says Aeternus, which almost certainly means that D&P will be the mystery hero. I will go pour one out for La Comodora…
Oh wow, those are pretty clear! Music of the Mists for AA variant Ashen Heir (Nightmist has enough variants for now despite people hoping the decks would somehow combine) and Hero of the Fervor for CC Galactra - very cool!
And I guess that confirms Dreamer with an event card, as if there were doubts she’d appear in the set with Visionary. Nice work!
Yeah, the whole card for those two wasn’t hard to spot, but there’s those particular frames where you can actually make out what the powers are.
You got a really clear shot of Galactra, wow!
It might not deserve to be in Dispiration but I have realized a Nightmist variant that I need- Nightmist from the “Make good choices” special one-shot where she battles the Demon of Cocaine.
For whom would the Cocaine Demon be a critical event? Gloomweaver or Apostate, as they’re demon-adjacent? Maybe a prince of Æternus? Or just a drug user like Spite, and I assume probably Mark Benedetto and Bruce Watkins at some point in the 80s?
Spite makes the most sense. Save the Bystanders from the evils of drugs.
Well, I dunno if we’ll get the PSA-verse, but I did see a glimpse in one of the preview videos of the cover from Episode 149 (anime/manga issue of Disparation) and that has me hyped for spiky-haired Setback/“Kid Legacy”. Probably not, but maybe some artwork in that style on at least one card? 
With the Visionary’s update today, I am reminded that she hails from the futuristic year 2018! : P
It looks like Dark Visionary stole Guise’s fourth-wall-breaking marker.
Why does Visionary have Manifestation cards? In EE, Visionary had a Distortion, the Dreamer had Projections, and Infinitor had Manifestations. It’s good that the Visionary no longer has a Distortion ('cause of its odd interactions with the RoD), but why switch that keyword with that used by Infinitor’s targets rather than change it to Projection to match Dreamer? Unless maybe all three characters will just have Manifestations now?
Or maybe Infinitor will have Constructs now, to keep with the theme of nemeses using the same keywords.
@Dandolo! Back in May of last year, you mentioned principles in the Definite Edition Predictions Thread! Did you know something that we didn’t‽
A conversation with a friend today sparked the idea that Principles could be used to represent playing composites of different characters. E.g., NightMist with the Principle of Compassion could be used to represent the Ashen Heir with NM’s Deck rather than AA’s, Unity with the Principle of the Gearhead could represent Omni-Unity, any Hero with the Principle of Fire could represent a mash-up of that Hero and Ra, or Mr. Fixer with with the Principle of the Wildcard could represent Lucky Break.
Unrelatedly, I noticed that the Critical Event shown in the campaign’s contents image features the cover from Episode #222 of The Letters Page. So, Glamour Critical Event using the Miss Info’ deck? (I’m not sure if anyone else has already mentioned this, so my apologies if they have.)
Yep, thought that was a playtesting thread. Took the post down as soon as I realized my mistake.
Yes, but the Ashen Heir looked like a specific card, rather than AA or NM with one of the new principles. I could have sworn I saw a bit in one of the videos that showed two decks being combined, but I couldn’t find it on rewatch. Might have been my imagination.
Who is the clockwork Fanatic-looking character? Is that someone that we’ve been introduced to? Doesn’t look familiar. Personally, I like the tech angel look. Reminds me of my LoL days, when a Kayle (angel-looking light and SMITE type) skin with high tech armor was introduced (Aetherwing, looks like), was about the only time that I actually paid for a skin…
Nightmist smashed with AA is in the preview video from the Backerkit. Scroll up this thread to @Jeysie’s post for a clear image of the power. It’s an AA variant since she’s a Virtuoso sometimes possessed by her ancestor’s spirit from haunted panpipes who just happens to look like Nightmist.
I don’t think we’ve heard any story of Shepherd Lifeline, Clockwork Angel Fanatic, Flamemist/Nightflame (probably not Firestarter), or the Chromatic Conductor, all names I just came up with to describe what are likely alt-universe characters since this is Disparation.
I wonder if he’s the Argent Artist from Arataki’s universe, especially with that watercolors-like cape pattern going on.
I’m fine with that too! Who’s the inverted kind of monochrome figure though? Another Anthony Drake? Clothing looks a little like the Seer, but face doesn’t really match.
If it is a color based thing, where’s Moxie when you need her?! 
I don’t think it clicked in my brain until I saw your comment about the other dude being monochrome that our colorful Anthony twin might be either draining the color from the hapless dude or have recolored him somehow, making it even more likely he’s the Argent Artist.
Or refugee from Sanderson’s Warbreaker world? Sorry, niche joke.
It doesn’t make sense for that to be the Argent Artist, as there isn’t any silver on him.
I like the idea of him being the “Abstract” Adept, or something along those lines.
Dreamer reveal. Like Matriarch, the Critical Event will be “someone else.” I’m thinking Dark Visionary.
I’ll just repeat my comment from the reveal and say Mr. Jitters. Dark Visionary is more incorporated into the hero side deck, to the point where I don’t even know if she’ll still exist as a Variant.
Blink and you’ll miss it confirmation from the latest Editor’s Note that the Freedom Six variants are in this set, appropriately.
I thought that was a given. I’m more curious as to whether the XTreme Prime Wardens will be there…
Well, they said a while ago that there would be 15 variants for the core game heroes in this set. With the Freedom 6 and the 3 variants shown in the trailer, that’s 6 remaining unknown.
While the normal or Xtreme Prime Wardens could fit in there, I find it more likely that we’ll get Horus Ra (cause of the Ennead), Redeemer Fanatic (cause of Apostate), and Eternal Haka (cause of the Final Wasteland). This also gives us at least 1 variant for each hero in the core game, so 3 heroes are getting a 2nd.
I’m thinking at least 1 of those 3 are a complete unknown that we might get a preview of on the final day. But I’ll throw out a couple guesses:
Arataki Haka
Frostbite Absolute Zero (from the vampire world episode)
Shockwave Tempest (from Disparation Dark Watch Ep. 62)
Maybe in the absence of any Xtreme variants, we’ll have a Principle of the Xtreme. And you can say it applies to all the heroes to make the whole match feel Xtreme.
I’ve been saying this for a while now, but Xtreme Prime Wardens fit in the space box, because they show up during the Progeny arc.
Omnitron-X reveal! Bring on the protocols!
I can see that… maybe doing more damage in exchange for taking more, or something. I like the idea of Frostbite AZ. Honestly, I bet the X Wardens will be with the Obliv box. I just started wondering about it in this box when the video dropped. But, I’ve been wrong already about that sort of thing. I should really stop that sort of speculation. My wild-ass guesses tend to be better than trying to divine secrets from leaks.
Speaking of the Oblivæon box, I would honestly not be surprised if EVERY hero got at least 1 or 2 Alternate Reality variants in the final expansion. Mistgate multiversal madness.
Indeed. I like the flexibility and the fabricate/exterminate keywords. If I am reading it right, the items will activate on Villain Omnitron’s end phase…
…and checked the card. Nope, specifically Villain cards. Shame, I kinda liked the idea of Omni-X hijacking Villain-Omni’s systems.
Makes Omni-X a bit more flexible and self-sufficient. Less of a support character. Then again, Unity doesn’t need the “put it into play” power as much, anymore.
Also, does the Paracausal Shielding image look like that one Overwatch character to anyone else?
While Omnitron-1 can’t activate X’s effects, Omni-X could activate 1’s effects based on the wording, though the only ones I could see being of value would be the Fabricate on the Railgun and Disintegration Ray or the Exterminate on Protomatter Converter. Maybe the effects on the Repair Drone if Luminary is in the game.
I’m definitely interested in how Omnitron-IV is going to interact with both of them in the future. I’m also wondering if the 2 Protocol cards shown are his only ones. Makes things more in line with villain Omnitron if he can only be in either Fabricate mode or Exterminate mode. Maybe there’s a 3rd Protocol that gives him more flexibility but less power?
Also Paracausal Shielding definitely turns him into pink Zenyatta. It’s cool that the plating actually changes his form instead of just a different color.
pssst…you can damage your teammates to activate their Reactions…
Fixer will thank you later. 
Zenyatta! Thank you, I could not remember his name for the life of me! XD
That’s my guess. My headcannon is that the card depicts some sort of duel betwixt two different alternate Drakes. (Possibly in the Realm of Discord?) The Rainbow Rhythmist looks like he has some kind of smug, almost-villainous grin, while the Monochrome Mandolinist doesn’t look very mean, so I almost wonder who’s supposed to be the villain or the hero.
Alternatively, the grey guy might be the Silver Sorcerer, the Adept from the Inversiverse. Or, perhaps instead of being a Virtuoso of the Void, he’s a Guru of the Grey.
The problem with Dark Visionary—or Mr. Jitters, as @Thunderbird mentioned—is that, I think, neither of them can really create monsters to do their bidding as the Dreamer can. Dark Vis has mainly the same powers as her good counterpart, while Jitters simply manipulates fear.
Regarding Æternus, it seems odd to me that the Æ effects are just signalled by that letter, rather than a symbol, word, or both, like Exterminate/Fabricate, Perform/Accompany, Infected, and Ammo.
Also, Shoulder “Advisor” is great, especially Guise’s quote. XD One of you Patræon folks should put Writers’ Room: The Guise Book #11 up for voting.
From O-X’s update, Unity’s quote on Production Processes is also great. Unrelatedly, the quote on Paracausal Shielding is listed as being from Omni-X, while the quote on that card’s EE counterpart (Temporal Shielding) is from Tachyon, despite being the exact same quote. Is this the first time that the speaker of a quote has been retconed?
Regarding Æternus, it seems odd to me that the Æ effects are just signalled by that letter, rather than a symbol, word, or both, like Exterminate/Fabricate, Perform/Accompany, Infected, and Ammo.
It does function differently, so it should look different. Not sure I’m a fan of just a single bold letter though. Stuff like fabricate/exterminate/loaded/perform are instantaneous effects, like powers or one-shots. Æ text is passive, like ongoing cards, or what I assume naturalist will have. There should be some difference in the design, but I don’t know what would actually look better than what was previewed.
Okay, the emo troll we love to hate has been revealed. Not as much misdirection as Miss Information, but it’s there. Wondering what the flip side will do wit the cards underneath. Fuel for some hurt, or a timer for how long heroes have to kick his feathery butt before he gets lies back under control?
Will he still have Apocalypse, and will it bury itself or move under his character card after destroying everything else? Otherwise it’d stick around Forever* on his front side.
*At least as long as his other Ongoing cards.
@Thunderbird, it looks like all his Ongoings might be “Lie” cards, so likely not.
On “You Will Bring Pain,” is the art depicting Apostate disguised as Expat? Have we seen him completely mimic someone’s appearance before? I know that he can alter his form, but I wasn’t aware of it being to that degree.
Granuum and Nahropt’s new looks and quotes are real nifty; I can totally imagine them as Those Two Guys, or heck, even a spinoff book.
“Lord of Lies and Hair Care Products” is pretty memorable.
The Block is here, and it’s mentions of “Non-character agent” makes me suspect that Seargent Steel and his crew will have the Agent tag, but possibly KNYFE as well!
@Godai, that’s certainly possible, but was K.N.Y.F.E. not disassociated with F.I.L.T.E.R. by the time that her Hero deck represents? Her EE character card does have “Agent of F.I.L.T.E.R” crossed out on it.
What kind of “Other Inmates” does the Block house betwixt humans and aliens? Robots? Magical creatures?
Hey @Rabit, it looks like you got upgraded to a named character. But what did you do to get Parse to be your nemesis?
Apostate.
No idea! Probably just too awesome for her to deal with. 
Looking forward to a Letter’s Page ep that gives us the backstory of all the new named environment characters in DE!
Any thoughts on new villain for Wednesday’s update? Some particular Æternal Prince or Busybody for a nemesis to Darkstrife & Painstake, who we’re almost certain are coming now? Or pull another Terrorform type move and reveal a new character that no one expected? I’m trying to think of any extra-dimensional/alternate reality villain we’ve heard of but haven’t encountered yet. Nothing springs to mind immediately.
I think Grimm is likely. Maybe not tomorrow, but at some point in this campaign.
Too soon after revealing him. Busybody is possible, because for the longest time they thought they had introduced her.
Honestly, I’m hoping for an out-of-left-field thing like Terrorform. Doesn’t need to be a D&P foe. Not everyone has a Nemesis in the expansion, even in DE (Citizen Dawn vs Expat, Ra vs Enead, Terrorform vs Akash, etc), and not everyone even had a set Neemsis in EE (Unity never had a solo nemesis… Chrono Ranger and Naturalist only had Vengeance-mode, and so on).
Sounds like Agent KNYFE would be perfect for her FA then!
I think the only person who had no solo nemesis in EE was the Scholar; Unity shared Chokepoint and Iron Legacy with Bunker and Absolute Zero, all of whom also shared Iron Legacy with the rest of the Freedom Six. Chrono-Ranger had Plague Rat and Naturalist had Deadline, although there’s some speculation that Deadline might become a Scholar nemesis this time around.
Speculation that I think today’s update is going to reinforce, because it is indeed an out-of-left-field thing! It’s Necrosis!
Interesting build-up; I’m curious about what happens on the flip, because as it stands it seems like that flip is pretty much guaranteed by Turn 2, maybe Turn 3 if you’re extraordinarily lucky. In a 4-5 player game, it seems almost 100% that Necrosis will open the first turn by dropping a token, then will end the first turn by sticking 4-5 tokens on the highest HP hero. We’ve seen six of his cards, and only one of them can get a token onto that hero fast enough to stop that from happening (and that one adds 2-3 tokens in a five-player game and then adds an extra card play, which means a chance of getting the 1-2 more tokens needed to flip anyway.)
We also haven’t seen any cards that remove tokens.
Anyway: Necrosis, ew. Ewwwwwww. Should be quite a battle.
Also, I don’t think anyone has commented on this yet, but the Critical Events on the main picture are unblurred, showing that Miss Info’s critical event is the Aminia Twain saves the Freedom Five story, from episode 222.
So, is the critical event going to be Glamour, since she was the villain of that episode, or is it going to have Ms. Twain in bystander/hero mode the whole time? Both seem like they could be interesting.
Complete speculation, but I wonder if the flip side removes tokens. Something like EE Spite or either edition’s Voss, where there are multiple flips. Would fit how fast the flip could happen.
Someone had commented on the Backerkit, maybe under the Miss Info reveal. I, for one, love to see alternate characters for Critical Events. My wishlist is MI: Glamour, Dreamer: Mr. Jitters, IL: Legacy of Destruction. Will we get them all? I don’t know, but excited to see whatever turns out.
Does anyone else think much like how Akash’Mecha inspired the Terrorform (at least narratively), Doctor Toxica from the Plague Rat Critical Event inspired Necrosis mechanically? That cumulative token penalty seems familiar. I know their villain motivations and means are different, but at least that part of the gameplay sounds similar. Of course, she’s a single target and he has Husks so I’m sure they’ll still feel unique.
yeah, the mechanics of Necrosis feel like a refinement of Toxica’s concept, from event to full deck
Seems less that and more just trying to get different villain mechanics out there. Bloodsworn and Wager Master had some strange mechanics that cause some pushback, IIRC. So getting stuff like that out there so it’s less of a wrench.
The FAQ section means people are asking if Cosmic is next, and I don’t think it is, simply because of the Southwest Sentinels. They need to get them out before Void Guard, so unless Void Guard is being saved for the very last box, the next box has to be Vengeance Returned, aka the Team Box.
And taking a look at who’s left to get in a box:
Team box:
Southwest Sentinels (team)
Naturalist + Akash’Thryia (duo)
Guise + Scholar (duo)
New?
Cosmic box:
Void Guard 4
Sky-Scraper
Fashion?
Final box:
Benchmark (last hero originally)
La commadora
Lifeline (after Deadline in Cosmic)
Luminary
Stuntman
Young Legacy?
Thoughts?
I think Young Legacy is going to still be in this one.
With the bit in the Q&A today about Court of Blood being in the next expansion, I think the next one is going to be some kind of Vengeance or “Villains Ascendant” type thing, which would fit both the team mode villains, and possibly heroes like Sky-Scraper (if Bloodsworn is also in there). Starting to think of the box (especially because, in my mind, I smoosh “Vengence” and “Villains of the Multiverse” from EE together because I got the physical ones at the same time, after Season 2 of the digital was acquired) as “Nemesis.” I don’t know if we’re going to get a specifically “Cosmic” box, at this point.
I do think that Naturalist and Akash are a shoe-in for the next one. They are linked together in the lore so much, between Terrorform and Necrosis, their nemesis are causing chaos.
Here’s a thought: Would we actually see the Not-really-Ambuscade team deck, or would it just be Glamour? Or would it be an Ennead-style Slaughterhouse Six? I would like to see more of that kind of villain.
I agree with this, but think Young Legacy will be in the Team Box.
I think Young Legacy would not have a different enough deck from Finest Legacy to warrant being a full-blown hero. But absolutely there’s going to be a variant somewhere…!
This discussion got me thinking about how the expansions are getting thematically adjusted/expanded for Definitive Edition. For example, before the campaign I had been thinking of DE Disparation as the equivalent of EE Shattered Timelines, with a theme of time travel and alternate realities. But as the campaign progressed it became very clear that the theme isn’t “alternate realities” so much as it is “other realms” more broadly, which is how you get stuff like the Ennead or Aeternus in there. Perhaps instead of thinking about the subject matter genre of the remaining content (cosmic vs. magical and whatnot), it makes a lot of sense to think about broader thematic groupings. Something like “villains ascendant” might easily fit things like not only the Vengeful Five, but the Bloodsworn Collosseum or even Chokepoint or Wager Master.
I think a big question is what they’re going to do with the EE Villains of the Multiverse content. The team villain mode always felt pretty rough and weird to me. My hope might be to have several of them upgraded to full villain decks. And it doesn’t escape my notice that La Capitan’s deck has some of her previous Villains incarnation merged in…so maybe she or Plague Rat wouldn’t have a Villains-style version at all? There are also some new mechanics that they could take advantage of to give smaller/side villains like Greazer a place in a larger game, like as a side deck.
But if the DE equivalent of EE VotM isn’t the “team mode set” but is a more broad “villains” set, there are a number of other ways that set could take shape.
Perhaps the next one would be a “prelude” set forming the buildup to OblivAeon - containing things like Void Guard, the Celestial Tribunal, Deadline, and Progeny. “Cosmic Convergence,” perhaps?
We’ve never seen a variant have its own nemesis symbol before, which is extremely compelling evidence for YL getting a deck. I’d say it’s almost certain.
Ah, yeah, I forgot about that new info.
Yeah, I’m wondering about the “team mode” villains. I’ve speculated somewhere else that maybe there won’t be different versions, but instead some method of modifying the villain (like the Critical Events with different setups) so they aren’t as powerful as solo mode.
Or maybe I’m just hoping for Fright Train to get a full deck. But I’m also from Sacramento, CA, and we have a big railroad museum that would have Graves salivating
Before we get to the next set though, who’s the new villain for Friday? Will it be anyone we’ve ever heard of, or completely from left field?
I assume Monday’s environment is Time Cataclysm, followed by DS+PS and some nemesis of theirs much like RCR wrapped with Alpha then Apex. I would eagerly welcome being proven wrong however if it means something else even more exciting!
Poor Benji. : (
Apparently, Bide and Fecht is a Scots phrase meaning Stay and Fight, and is possibly the source of Clan Gordon’s motto, of which K.N.Y.F.E. is a member. Kudos to the designers for this cool reference.
Regarding Young Legacy, I recall someone mentioning that there is the possibility that she’ll be a variant for the Legacy deck (with a unique nemesis symbol, naturally), but will also replace some of Finest Legacy’s cards with different ones. However, personally, I think her getting a full deck seems most likely.
But what about the Final Wasteland? Both the Wasteland and the Cataclysm are natural fits for Disparation, and it would be very strange for either of them to appear in other boxes, yet there is only a single unrevealed environment!
Oh, that’s a good point! I’d forgotten about the other time-travelly-dimensional place! Would make sense for Chrono-Ranger’s first appearance, and could give us an Eternal Haka variant (although he’s already ahead of other core heroes there). Haven’t they said all EE content will show up in some form? Could just mean the timelines don’t get right and proper shattered to cause a Cataclysm until closer to OblivAeon.
Christopher is, IRL, a member of Clan Gordon.
Even has a tattoo for it.
I would assume that Wasteland will be the last environment, and Time Cataclysm is later. Wasteland makes sense as a counter to Silver Gulch, a bad future instead of a messed up past. Plus the connections to Chrono Ranger… Though there’s also the Time Cataclysm and Visionary connection…
Okay, scratch that. Went to the wiki and checked the references to the Time Cataclysm deck. Aside from the Visionary stuff, the Cataclysm/Shattering would probably be necessary for the story.
Also… I think Final Wasteland will wait until whatever expansion Biomancer is in. Because he’s the only villain with a connection (however tenuous) there. Of course, in thinking of that, I just thought of something that could be strange or cool… with Biomancer having a generic “Fleshchild” card that says something like “take a random hero character card not in play, this card is that hero; End Phase: Use hero’s power, replacing “hero” with “villain” and vice versa”…
Definitely CON’s bunker! There’s been some super Internet sleuthing going on for this! I know they’ve said Time Cataclysm is more of a series of events rather than a place, but we need it represented somehow. Guess there are still plenty of sets to come…
I’m still left in the dark for Friday’s new villain though. I’ll throw out a random bold prediction of Count Barzakh for someone from a different reality!
Think Free Radical was created too recently?
The Time-Crazed Prisoner art has been updated to have his Free Radical look, so not too recently for that at least.
Apparently NOTHING is too recent for those sneaky buggers! Tuesday: tell Grimm’s story. Friday: reveal him in Disparation!
Lumberjack Tempest and Little Red Riding Alpha are both great. : )
I really like how Grimm’s One-Shots work—they give you the choice to play along with Grimm’s story, but he punishes you if you don’t.
What do y’all think the Role Icon will be? I’m thinking either a book 
or the comedy-tragedy theatre masks 
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I feel like the first line of Tales Retold should read “Summon each Role card in the Villain trash,” not “play.” I don’t really have any reasoning for this; it’s just instinct, so I’m very likely wrong.
Who do y’all think Grimm’s Nemesis will be? Scholar? Argent Adept? (He’s featured more times than anyone else in Grimm’s previewed cards.)
Pretty sure Summon pulls from deck too, so if you want to limit it to trash that wouldn’t work. And Salvage only recovers to hand, so there’s not really an operation word for this result.
Man, I’m reminded of the Bonds from Fey Court. The roles are really, really interesting. With the trigger like the Ennead icons. And to Skywhale’s point, this to me points to Rambler being a full character, despite my earlier reservations. Because Rambler’s main deal, at least my impression of it, is breaking the sort of forced, arbitrary stuff like that.
Oh… what if Rambler’s unique thing will be burying stuff like Roles or the Fey Bonds? (I’m starting to think of them as “untyped” cards… not ongoing or targets.)
Rambler is the Timeshare Cancellation industry of Sentinel Comics.
I was going to make a comment about Rambler being a bit less scammy… then I remember some of the deals he’s made, and… yeah, that fits.
Also… I think of him more as Auron from Final Fantasy 10. The guy that knows how the story goes, and is looking to break it.
Or, one of my favorite lines in Kingdom Hearts 2: “This is MY story. You’re not part of it.”
Okay, hear me out: what if his nemesis is Stuntman?
A villain who tries to fit heroes into storytelling tropes vs. a hero who is a literal action movie star. Both decks featuring lots of cards named after tropes. It kinda fits.
When does Ansel G. Moreau become Stuntman, and does that line up with Tome of the Bizarre Vol. 4?
Either way, fighting Grimm in Champion Studios is going to be hilarious when we get around to that environment.
That is FANTASTIC. : D
But unfortunately very unlikely. : (
Ok, looking things up very quickly: Stuntman’s 1st Appearance is in Oct. 2013 and the Death of Grimm story is in Dec. 2014
So there’s a little bit of crossover. Probably not nemesis territory, but it’s not impossible. It’s also possible Grimm might’ve had a story with Ambuscade previously to seed their rivalry (I’m stretching here admittedly).
Even without a nemesis relationship, a Stuntman vs. Grimm Writer’s Room sounds pretty badass. Also fills in a gap since they recently acknowledged there hasn’t been an Ambuscade Writer’s Room/Creative Process so far.
My crackpot theory (that I don’t believe in the slightest) is that Grimm’s death that they told us about comes because Grimm tries to force Ansel into a story and doesn’t give him the lead role 
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My guess is that Grimm’s nemesis would be Rambler. They’ve been leaning pretty hard on building out Rambler stories lately, and they made sure to have him put in appearances in Rook City Renegades.
It’ll be interesting…I never cared for the character, and based on every Rambler story or tidbit we get I like him less and less. But I wonder if he’ll end up being a hero whose deck I enjoy playing even if I dislike him as a character. I might be in a similar situation with Darkstrife and Painstake, too. It can be nice to see Christopher surprise me – happened already with Alpha!
I’m torn on what the next two sets are going to have, but yeah, Rambler seems like the obvious counterpoint to Grimm.
I wonder if we’ll have a whole set for our less heroic heroes - the compromised and the half-hearted. I keep going through the remaining fifteen heroes and trying to figure out what configurations they’re likely to appear in, and Rambler would fit my old theory of having a “Revocorp Presents” set with compromised good guys.
I believe you’re referring to OblivAeon!
Hah, that’s not impossible. It depends on how the heroes shake out.
The big sticking point right now is the Southwest Sentinels and the Void Guard; if they stick with those decks, we need an expansion with the Sentinels, and we need an expansion that’s mostly Void Guard. The original Oblivaeon expansion had a ton of extra mini-expansion heroes released alongside it, which presumably isn’t going to be a thing this time.
So the question becomes - do all the ex-villains end up in Oblivaeon, and the Void Guard become the backbone of an expansion, or do Luminary and the Void Guard end up in Oblivaeon and we get our other ex-villains elsewhere?
I think the next two expansions are Vengeance/team Villains, and then Space (unsure on names).
Vengeance:
Space:
1-4. Void Guard (literally a space team)
5. Sky-Scraper (alien)
6. Fashion (space hero)
OA:
Those lineups just fit too neatly for me to not think that’ll be what happens.
Edit: Benchmark and Young Legacy could be swapped!
That does make sense. I don’t think they’d swap Benchmark and Young Legacy, they seem decently committed to one new hero per expansion. I suppose they could swap Rambler and Young Legacy if they want to hold her to the end of the series.
I really like what they did with Con’s Bunker and the Ancient Library, what with them being targets that the cryptids attack and causing heroes to deal themselves fixed psychic damage when they’re destroyed. Plus, it’s interesting that the Library is a Relic—that really bucks tradition, as we’re used to Relics being hand-held artefacts. (Although I suppose Apostate always had some that weren’t.)
Depending on whether or not Chrono-Ranger is on a mission into the past! 
Huh…Con and…???
Clone-Ranger? Maybe CON’s components count as different robots? Maybe Schema somehow survived? Or some form(s) of Omnitron? Maybe Unity left some bots there?
I don’t think fleshchildren count as bots per se, do they? I guess Unity could have made some traditional robots in addition to CON. Heal Bot maybe, if it’s not all just incorporated into the bunker? There was obviously one instance of a T-Rex Bot, but we haven’t heard that full story. Seems to me any bot animated by the pink “magic” wouldn’t be active when Devra isn’t around. Unless something fishy is going on…
From the art, and how Unity’s stuff has never really gotten away from her, I would have to guess that it’s something else, and probably what inspired Mamma Chomps.
I wonder if one of them is something like a half-wrecked Onmitron or Terrorform…
From Episode 53:
The Environment “bio” mentions “at least 3” robots - who are they other than CON? Just some maintenance robots, nobody important.
Interesting. I think the important words here are “at least”. Episode 53 was also a loooooooonnnggg time ago, so they’ve certainly had a chance to come up with more robot inhabitants, temporary though they may be.
And the bio was written even longer ago
And, also, they lie to us sometimes!
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Oh, man, those two are just gloriously 90s. Interesting mechanic; it definitely looks complex, but in a fun way.
And full respect on Darkstrife being the much more sexualized of the pair. That “sleeves and no shirt” combo plus the hourglass waist and multiple belts is just a chef’s kiss design choice.
Painstake: Slightly more modest Psylocke.
Darkstrife: Devil May Cry alternate skin.
Considering Adam’s penchant for sexy guys this doesn’t surprise me at all. Amuse me, yes, surprise, no.
I will admit that it wasn’t until this update that I realized their names are A & Z.
So there has to be a card called Alpha and Omega? Because I don’t think Fanatic has one…
I find it odd that the twins’ bio primarily refers to Darkstryfe* with his civilian name, rather than his Demon Name. My understanding from the duo’s origin episode was that “Darkstryfe” was the only name he knew until Paynstayke convinced him to adopt “Zane.”
Also Darkstryfe’s flesh-sword is super gross.
I’m not sure if I like that the Æterna and Soul cards have custom borders and colours. Literally no other keywords grant their cards such unique designs—save for Suddenly!, of course, but that makses sense, 'cause you’re supposed to notice it immediately. Why are Soul and Æterna so much more special from than other keywords? If they are, why shouldn’t Modules, Ordnance, Constructs, Mechanical Golems, Citizens, Bonds, Underbosses, Access, Werewolves, Bounties, Clues, or Demons get special designs?†
*You can’t stop me from writing the y.
†Rhetorical question.
I can see two reasons for the different colors. First is based on feedback from, say, Harpy and Alpha or even Tachyon, where the types of cards beyond “one-shot” or “ongoing.” Since a number of powers and options rely on discarding particular sub-types, I can see having something that’s easy to reference. The other reason is it reflects their dual nature, and I suspect that the SWS deck will do the same.
Playtesters insisted on it, to the extent that we color-code our black-and-white prototypes every time Braithwhite hands us a new version. It’s vital that you be able to tell Soul from Æterna cards in your hand at a glance, especially if you build up a big hand.
Holy unholy, the art is SO good! It’s so clean and bright and deliciously edgy and I love it!
Their deck seems hard to grasp without seeing the whole thing. The cards we’ve seen don’t have a ton of draw power, so you’ll need to think carefully about which discard effects to activate (which is good). I don’t think I would choose to use the discard effect on Darkstrife’s base power unless I had a surplus of Ae cards or that 2 damage really made all the difference.
Can’t wait to see what interactions Painstake’s Demon keyword leads to. None of Apostate’s or Aeturnus’ revealed cards seem to affect it.
Also since Darkstrife and Painstake is kinda a mouthful, what’s a good abbreviation for them. D&P? DS&PS? Dark and Pain?
D&P sounds the cleanest to me but just makes me think of Deadpool. Idk.
Goth and Emo?
One interesting thing to me about having Darkstryfe and Paynestake (back at you, @fjur) officially added a a hero deck is that they’ve been established as D-list heroes who only appear in a few isolated issues/arcs in the Multiverse Era. Which means… for future expansions, anything goes! Anyone could appear, no matter how prominent. Fashion! The Adhesivist! Whatever!
Fascinating insight into the process, @MindWanderer.
The Twins
That’s pretty much how I’ve been thinking of them. Could also go with “Edgy Twin” to refer to one or both of them.
Both Edge Twins and Soul Twins have had traction in the fandom as nicknames.
Trajector: I think the criteria at this point is how much we in the real world like a thing regardless of actual metaverse popularity.
(Except for the Telenovelaverse where the more we like it, the more Christopher hates it.)
Speaking of fandom popular things, I forgot to mention it’s interesting to note from the flavor text that the Twins have spoken with everybody’s favorite magic expert with anger management issues.
I think the only solid criteria for new content we’ve had so far is “Christopher and Adam think it’s cool.”
Well, that’s the whole game, really. But in the case of the Twins, I think it’s also “this will be important later.” I mean… They’ve said several times that the Matriarch is only really important as a villain because of Harpy/Pinion.
I’m actually wondering now whether it’s the Twins who are going to be Grimm’s nemesis, due to being the motivating factor in the “Death of Grimm” storyline that C&A are being deliberately cagey about. It would match the “a big thing happens with them late in the Multiverse line” idea. If the next villain comes out today and it’s not a D&P nemesis, we’ll know.
I guess let that be a lesson to me; I have no idea what’s popular in the real-world Sentinels Fandom any more! I thought DS&PS were a footnote and Aeternus was actively off-putting, but those all must have all blown up on Discord or somewhere. All right then! One of the cool things about Sentinels is how they’ve built up so much variety for lots of different folks to enjoy.
Update: Nope, it’s Aeternus, and what an Aeternus it is!
This is a fascinatingly different way to have an angry pack of baddies vying for dominance as opposed to Apex and his werewolves, and I can’t wait to see it in play. Also - different nemesis icons for Darkstrife and for Painstake!
Will there be 7 Demon Princes corresponding to the Deadly Sins?
Confirmed
Lusithar - Pride
Seviathall - Envy
Named
(Not sure all are Princes, may be mere demons)
Abbados - Wrath(?); Army leader that likes to chop off heads
Greezigrax - ???
Mannock - Lust(?); He’s “grabby” per the Q&A in Twins’ foes episode
Belagorr - ???
Ismodial - ???
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Burden of the Crown - whoever looks like they could be Gluttony
Also I’m just gonna throw it out that metagaming-wise The Grey can be considered those friends you’ve tried to convince to play Sentinels with you but they’re just not into it.
I knew some of those were vaguely phonetically familiar! Also just went back to the Æternus update and I take that as confirmation all seven will appear.
Now to write a thematically appropriate letter for the episode coming out on April 18 (US Tax Day) to squeeze out more information about the lord of greed!
Huh, really? Well, I suppose that that makes sense. Thanks, @MindWanderer!
'Strife and 'Stake?
If that’s true, my pie-in-the-sky wish would be Fahrenheit X in some form, which is pretty much guaranteed to never happen.
Also, I’m pretty sure that Strife and Pain have had more than just “a few isolated issues/arcs.” Just from looking at their BackerKit update, we can see that they’ve had the Æternal Torment, Pain and Strife, and Soulseekers books, plus their run in Tome of the Bizarre and at least two stories in Disparation.
Okay, so taking into account what @Thunderbird and MindWanderer posted…
“Hush now, Greezigrax. You’ll work yourself into another one of your stomach aches, and then you’ll be no use to anyone.”
Perhaps this is evidence of him being Gluttony?
Greezigrax quavered as Lusithar turned to behold him. “G-g-great luminescent one. We, ah, that is to say, Seviathall had hoped… we all wanted-- WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ROCK?” Peeling a large stone from the black floor and holding it aloft, Greezigrax cringed with his entire being at the smiting that was sure to follow.
This is fantastic.
@Samantha_The_Demoncat, I feel for you. Why is there a chthonic canine instead of a fiendish feline?
Didn’t Adam completely forget that Fahrenheit X existed in a recent episode?
I dunno; I’m…quite behind on the podcast, but—no offence intended to Adam—that does seem like something he would do.
True, but another classification system (see below) designates Belphy as Gluttony. And I’m fairly certain that we don’t know what system (if any) C&A are using.
Maybe. That’s a fairly common motif.
Personally, I’m liking the synergies between heroes, villains, and environments. The Aeternus related stuff is giving off vibes that usually needed Baron Blade in Mordengrad, or Onmitron in Onmitron IV facing Omnitron X.
Yeah, it seems like DE is turning keyword interactions up to eleven, @OddballPaladin. Demons, Werewolves, Vampires, Agents, etc. Part of it is surely because Heroes can have keywords now.
Waaaiiit a minute. First Appearance Omnitron-X is a Device. Doesn’t Villain Omnitron say that the Heroes can’t win until all other Devices are destroyed? That means FA Omni has to die, just like in the comics.
Wait another minute. Both Wind-Walker and The Chronoist have (a) cyborg leg(s). That’s a weird coincidence—both known Chrono-Ranger alternates having the same prosthetic limb(s). I guess the obvious reason is that they’re both supposed to contrast Jim, and there are only so many human limbs.
Also, what are the Freedom Six variants supposed to be? Wanted posters? Government documents? I can’t quite tell.
I’m pretty sure the Freedom 6 variants are supposed to be wanted posters. Though it does look at little weird since the characters aren’t a part of the poster itself.
I love how Freedom 6 Bunker has the Ordinance keyword. It fixes the issue I had with Super Sentai Idealist, where her base power couldn’t interact with the Tiara or the rest of her deck. This won’t have that issue, so Bunker can load himself up with Recharge Mode or the External Power Supply. Very nice.
I’m surprised we didn’t see any Event previews like last year. Are we getting another update tomorrow, or will they save those reveals for the coming months?
That it does… and that would certainly make sense. Base Omnitron-X does not, so it’s definitely an intentional thing to recreate that situation.
Personally, I like them turning up the the keyword interactions, to a limited way. I think it’s an interesting way to vary the complexity of the game. Like… “Hey, we’re facing Apex, if you want to be part of the werewolf infighting, here are the heroes to pick” or from EE “We’re fighting Voss, we’re staying the heck out of Dok’Thorath.” Like I said, there’s a degree of cheerful chaos in EE using, say, Omnitron X or Heroic Luminary in Omnitron-IV vs Omnitron or Ambuscade.
I noticed that, too. I chuckled a bit at just how nasty that particular punch can get. F6 Bunker was probably my favorite from a story perspective (well… Golem Unity was also there, with the whole Ship of Theseus thing she has going), given that he’s a light of redemption in an otherwise bleak timeline. Then again… as I’ve said elsewhere, my day job’s office (well, pre-Covid) is a stone’s throw away from the California Railroad Museum, and my father is a MASSIVE train nut, so I’ve always had a soft spot for Fright Train.
I agree, I generally like all the interactions DE creates with keywords. The only exception is Setback/Kismet, because although Setback gains the ability to (somewhat) easily destroy Kismet’s Unlucky cards, she ends up punishing him for playing his own Unlucky cards and punishing him even more for playing Lucky cards! He feels stymied and inhibited in that fight. But the all-werewolf fight (Apex, Alpha, Haka, and Diamond Manor) is extremely fun!
On another topic, I thought we had the specific number of variants to be included in Disparation, but I can’t find it. Anyway, now we’ve got on record:
I think Young Legacy is a possibility, to tie into the Iron Legacy story, though at this point I agree it’s likely she will have her own hero deck in a later expansion.
Anyone catch any others?
Christopher mentioned on TLP it was 15
For variants from the Core Set, I assume? Because his end of campaign update is what says each Disparation hero gets 3 variants, and that’s 18 right there.
So that leaves 5 more from the Core Set to guess…
Yes 15 variants for core set heroes. Each Disparation hero will have one FA and two other variants like RCR.
I will be surprised if we dont get Eternal Haka, Ra of Two Horizons, and Redeemer Fanatic; they’re all tied to environments and events in this set.
For the last two, Greatest Legacy and GI Bunker are possible for historical reasons, but neither actually does time travel. The alternative would be another alternate universe version of someone who didn’t have a non-FA variant before this expansion and doesn’t have two revealed here yet (Legacy, Argent Adept, Tachyon, Tempest, or Captain Cosmic).
Instead of GI Bunker, that Golem Armor Bunker from that one alternate F5 might be possible.
Actually… Between GI Bunker and Greatest Legacy, I wonder if there’s an “ancients” theme in a future expansion. I could see those two being in the same set as, say Court of Blood, Scholar, Enclave of the Endlings, and other OLD stuff. I would say “Legacies” or “Heritages,” but those are taken.
Makes sense, although it does kinda look like the HP value are stickers? Which wouldn’t really make sense for posters. And the word “VARIANT” definitely looks like a stamp, which also doesn’t fit.
I do think that it’s justifiable that the characters are in the normal art style, and not in a poster-style; no other variants (save FA) change the style.
F6 Bunker doesn’t need a gun. He IS the gun.
Well, Greatest Legacy does trvel through time, but only during the OblivAeon event, so it seems almost certain that that is where he’ll appear in DE.
Okay, so I think it’s safe to assume that they’ll try to spread variants out roughly evenly, and there are 12 core heroes, so we can assume that each will get 1 variant, and then 3 will get another.
Things we know so far:
Agreed. Those seem like shoe-ins.
So, assuming that, the only unknowns are which two other heroes besides AZ will get a second variant. Unity, Wraith, Bunker, Fanatic, Haka, and Ra got variants in RCR, so it’s probably safe to assume that these two heroes will be two of Legacy, Tachyon, Argent Adept, Captain Cosmic, and and Tempest. Looking at this page, possibilities for those heroes include America’s Cleverest Legacy, the Argent Artist, and Shockwave. There don’t seem to be any notable alternates of Tachyon and Captain Cosmic save for the X-Treme and pun-based ones, both of which seem rather unlikely.
I think it’s fair to call the Dark Watch variants a different style – not that the characters are rendered in a different way, but that the entire variant card is done up to look like photographs on a bulletin board. If the F6 variants were intended to look like “wanted” posters, for sure the graphics team would have put more of the relevant greeblies on there. “Wanted,” “Reward,” “Report to <I forget Ambuscade’s codename in that universe>,” etc. The F6 variants are definitely done up to look like…files, or dossiers. The question is, are they Iron Legacy’s, Tachyon’s, or somebody else’s? Very unclear…
I forgot about Shockwave, but was thinking about Citizen Storm. We could also see Six-String or Dark Conductor Adept.
I wonder what general things we can say about the number of variants, now that we have some information to infer patterns from! The main ones being:
However, putting those two items together, I’m starting to come up with contradictions. (Or just indications that those statements are not exactly correct. It’s like coming up with video game variant unlocks!) One is that Absolute Zero is now up to his FA+2, but we haven’t seen either Termi-Nation or Freedom Five. Likewise, we’re still expecting to see Prime Wardens and Extreme Prime Wardens variants but we already have Werewolf Haka Haunted Fanatic, F6 Tempest, and Galactra. Another is that a Young Legacy deck would mean we aren’t seeing a Young Legacy variant.
Anyway. Unless there is EE content that won’t appear in DE, it seems like the ultimate number of variants won’t be evenly distributed, except perhaps that expansion sets get FA+2. Maybe Core Set heroes get FA+more (4?), or maybe team variants don’t count against the FA+2 allotment.
Some heroes will naturally get more variants than others, but it seems like the baseline after all expansions will be at least 4 character cards for each hero.
We’re on the third box, and Bunker already has two variants prior, neither of which were in EE, so I think it’s safe to say Bunker will end up with 6+ variants when all is said and done.
My prediction is that each expansion box will be self-contained, except OblivAeon, which will be a massive crossover of the previous five, with variants for all heroes and some more villain critical events like Skinwalker.
Just throwing this out there.
Right. I meant to say that no variants change the style of the character portraits, as they’re all in “modern” style. The backgrounds and designs of the cards, however, have been shown to vary. It seems like the trend is for variant “sets” to have distinct designs, whether they be teams or other thematic groupings—like how the alternate reality heroes in Disparation have the portal background.
Well, but Citizen Storm is a villain, so he couldn’t be a variant for the Tempest deck. (Although a Citizen Dawn Critical Event would fit, but is unlikely due to the unspoken no-Events-for-villains-from-other-sets rule, unless OblivAeon breaks this pattern as some have speculated.) And the Kvothe variant is extremely unlikely, 'cause of the charity reasons, while Dark Conductor AA doesn’t seem to have anything to do with timelines. He’ll probably be in the Space set with the Enclave for Cosmic Contest reasons.
I’m fairly sure that the Base+FA+2 rule only applies to non-coreset heroes, and that coreset heroes can have an effectively unlimited number of variants.
Yeah, but neither does about 1/3 of the content of this set. I’m thinking of DE Disparation as more like EE Shattered Timelines + Infernal Relics. It seems pretty wide-open for variants.
I think of it as less the “Disparation” books in the meta-verse, and more a grab bag of other dimensions, timelines, and times. There are really only a handful of revealed decks that don’t have to deal with other realms. The only ones without DIRECT connections are Parse (the Oblivaeon/Omni-2 power boost, and her thing with MI are secondhand connections), Dreamer (again, indirect connection because of Visionary), and Necrosis. (I could be wrong and mis-hearing or mis-remembering Necrosis stuff.)
True, Citizen Storm does do that, but that’s hardly standard operating procedure for him. It wouldn’t make any sense for him to fight on the heroes’ side unless OblivAeon is around, IMO. I agree that Dark Visionary’s status is quite bizarre; I suspect that it was because C&A simply wanted her to be in the game in any form, and couldn’t fit in a villain deck for her for some reason (until Dark Mind, sort of), so they just made her a hero variant.
Fair, although the way I see things is more that Infernal Relics was split over several products: AA and Akas’Bhuta in the Core Set; NightMist, GloomWeaver, and the RoD in RCR, and now Apostate, the Ennead, and the Tomb here in Disparation. It’s fairly evenly split, really.
The Dreamer’s powers are caused by the Fixed Point, so I think that qualifies. Also, Necrosis’s origin was caused by the Naturalist interacting with the Oracle of Discord.
It looks like one of the two is Extreme Tachyon after all!
With that in mind, my money is on the Argent Artist for the last variant, laying the groundwork for Arataki, but Shockwave is also a strong choice.
AA is already covered in this set by the Ashen Heir. I really don’t see the Artist happening. Maybe X-treme PW.
I’d say we can expect some combination of:
X-tremiverse
Freedom Six
Some other story variant
But probably not more than 2 per character from core set because there are still more boxes to come and we don’t want to exhaust all the options yet.
We discussed this above, but everyone is going to be covered in this set, and three people are going to be covered twice. There are fifteen variants, and we’ve already seen that, for example, Absolute Zero and Tachyon have two variants. We’ve also got most of the variants guaranteed at this point, plus three extremely strong probables:
The three probables are because the environments and enemies that cause those variants are definitely in this set, and because all three of Haka, Fanatic, and Ra only have one variant each in Rook City Renegades and none announced in this set.
With those variants confirmed or strongly suspected, there are only four core heroes that don’t have at least two variants outside of their First Appearance - Argent Adept, Captain Cosmic, Legacy and Tempest. So our last variant is almost certainly going to be one of those four, and both Argent Adept and Tempest have existing variants from a Disparation universe that hasn’t gotten a variant listed yet.
I would be surprised if the last variant wasn’t Tempest. Of the four you list at the end, AA, CC, and Legacy all already have Disparation variants that we’ve seen.
Tempest definitely makes sense - he’s got a Freedom Six variant, but that’s a much closer alternate universe and both of our doubled folks have also been doubled with Freedom Six. In which case, Shockwave seems like the most likely option. I wonder if Shockwave’s variant could somehow have the Bounty keyword…
didn’t someone say that on Discord or a tweet that Christopher confirmed an Animal-verse variant?
Earlier in this thread Jeysie posted confirmation from Christopher of Animalverse content. DE Disparation: Guessing time! (Ha ha, time travel pun) - #301 by Jeysie
He confirmed a piece of Animal-verse content. I assumed that it would be an art piece on one of the Principles, not a full hero variant, but I could be wrong.
Okay, so all 4 Principles we’ve seen thus far have been adapted from Sentinel Comics RPG Principles. But we know that there will only be 30 Principles in Disparation, while the SCRPG has over 60. So the question becomes—what SCRPG Principles do y’all think will make it into Disparation, and which do you think won’t?
(There’s also the possibility of wholly new Principles, of course, but we don’t have much grounds for speculation on those.)
Hey, update today. Boldest Legacy! “Hey, I heard you like tanking, so we made this Legacy EVEN TANKIER.”
I really love Boldest Legacy’s costume design, putting the North Star on his right shoulder.
And it sure looks like Sam Eliott will be playing Sheriff Pratt.
Am I the only one who dislikes the asymmetry of Boldest Legs’ costume?
Also, while we’re talking about his look, I’d like to point out that he’s a superstrong, flying hero who wears a blue skintight suit with a red cape and yellow accents. Now where have I seen that before?
Also, who is that at the bottom of Heroic Termination? Parse? The Visionary with hair? Someone else?
Pretty sure that’s Parse!
Boldest Legacy looks super strong. I’m happy we finally have a Legacy variant in DE whose innate power is more engaging than just refreshing a team buff.
I’m interested if we can gleam any details from the background of the alt-universe variants. Each of the ones we’ve seen are different, mostly showing weird distorted landscapes. Boldest Legacy’s shows someone; we can see an arm and a face, but I can’t tell who it is.
I love the flavor of heroes grabbing dynamite off the wagon and chucking it at their foes. That and the Saloon are already making Silver Gulch one of my favorite environments.
Reactive Plating is super strong. Looks like enemies with varied damage won’t be the bane of Omni-X anymore. Also the power uses the damage of the plate you discarded instead of the plate you’re wearing, so you no longer need to switch off of the melee-projectile-toxic plate to maximize your damage.
Little sad Pratt isn’t a supporter. I guess we’ll need to watch our fire around him, oh well.
Awesome reveals!
Reactive Plating combined with Defensive Blast sounds pretty good, but does come with the trade-off of losing the AoE damage for the power. Hopefully O-X can still do something for more than single target damage. We’ve seen Gaussian Coil Blaster. Maybe there will be some version of Disruptive Flechettes again.
I believe that they said at one point that graphic design does all of the layout and background work, so it’s unlikely to me that there’s any major significance there.
I don’t remember where they said it though, so I could be misremembering.
@skywhale caught me over in the BackerKit comments: it’s not the North Star if that is the Big Dipper on Boldest Legacy’s chest. The two pointer stars at the end of the pan on the Big Dipper make an imaginary line that connects to Polaris, which is the end of the Little Dipper’s handle.
It’s part of what makes me not really understand the symbol. I know they were going for the “Follow the Drinking Gourd” reference, but the whole point is that the “Drinking Gourd” points to the North Star, which is what’s really important. It’s similar to Legacy being a “beacon”, and guiding a way, but has slightly different connotations. It leads the way to the thing that leads the way.
It’s entirely possible as well he decided to use the Little Dipper after their discussion in episode 217. Since the outfit discussion only occurred right at the end it’s probably worth sending in a question about for confirmation. Overall I like the design and regardless of big/Little Dipper being used the star on the shoulder works well.
Ahh ok. I definitely forgot that one.
pretty sure Heroic Termination is Iron Legacy killing Parse when she got too annoying.
If Boldest is what a tanky Legacy looks like what is Scholar going to look like?
There are three types of tanks (in my view, but I have… thoughts on the tank as a classification…), depending on how they deal with incoming damage: Redirection, Mitigation, and Regeneration. EE Glamor is a great example of a deflection tank. Mitigation tanks are normal Legacy, Scholar, and the like. Boldest Legacy looks to be the first Regeneration tank I’ve seen in a while, where he both reduces damage (normal Legacy stuff), and this new power of self-healing.
Scholar… is probably going to be a mix of mitigation and deflection. He’s probably going to have a LOT of reactions, and a lot of area stuff. Maybe even some ongoing that lets him use his reactions when others take damage…
Are you saying Scholar, the hero based around healing himself, isn’t Regeneration at all?
Touche. In my defense, when I’ve played Scholar, the cards usually align poorly for the healing to be a big party of the play.
Well, @FrivYeti called it correctly back in February! And @Dil_Ninja had it split for Chrono-Ranger back in December.
Looks pretty good to me. Nice way to fish for exactly which Bounty you want.
I think this allows you to either bury a card from your hand or in play.
I also have a hope that the sentinels will get four side decks and those side decks will get removed as the sentinels get removed.
A less hopeful thought is that the vengeance style villains will have just side decks played by something similar to shrine of the Enead.
Here’s an aspect of Disparation speculation that I don’t think we’ve touched on much: events. What do y’all think?
Here are my guesses:
Iron Legacy
The Dreamer
La Capitan
Miss Information
The Ennead
Apostate
Grimm
Æternus
Necrosis
La Capitan I’m kind of thinking Sliver of Creation for her CE.
Miss Information: we see the front of the card for her CE and we know it’s the story where (non-evil) Aminia Twain is kidnapped by Glamour, so it’s at least modeling that story.
Ennead: hear me out - Inversiverse Ra for the CE.
Apostate CE is heavily implied to be the original Extremeverse story.
Grimm I think the Jack and the Beanstalk thing from the Writers’ Room we got already is likely for regular Event and the Lord of the Harvest they had on deck for him already for the upcoming episode seems possible for CE.
Æternus the Æternal Torment story that introduced most of the Princes seems likely for regular Event and I’m still hoping for Busybody for CE.
Necrosis: I think some regular story involving him for the regular Event, but I think the original story from Disparation that inspired Naturalist to try to stop that future from happening (resulting in main-continuity Necrosis’s origin story) is possible for the CE.
Interesting. I wonder if that would entail forcing the heroes to switch variants mid-game. That would be wild.
Possibly, but I feel like lots of their cards aren’t really matches for that.
Wasn’t there technically two Ennead stories, the ultimate canon one and the original bad one? Maybe the CE could be the original bad one.
That’s another thought I had, but I wonder at the decision to use one of your limited game product slots on a canonically bad story.
If it was anyone but C&A I’d agree, but we know their sense of humor, lol.
Plus the fact that man, after double-checking the wiki, they just plain do not have stories we’ve heard outside of the main one and its reboot.
Probably the conclusion to the Year of Miss Information for her regular event. Parse in Pike Industries, 
Aaaiiieeee! Definitely the final death of Miss Information and we won’t see her again with a mask and reality-warping powers.
Based on the CEs for Chairman and the Fey Court only having a single character card, I imagine the Ennead will be a similar case. Inversiverse Ra is a good guess, though if we get Legacy of Destruction I think they won’t want to double up on Inversiverse stuff, so we might get an Egyptian villain from a different issue of Disparation.
I feel like they would’ve announced this if it was actually happening, but I’m still kinda hoping we get some extra CEs for the base game villains. We have so many versions of Baron Blade and Citizen Dawn from Disparation that it seems silly to not get at least one of each.
Ennead could also just be another of Ra’s rogues gallery that we’ve learned about. The Phoenix, Scarab Lord, etc.
Bumping this up as the most active Disparation thread for those living beings who are not spam bots that still frequent this forum. Also a sad reminder that it has been one year since we have seen a card (August 2023 and no, the image of playtesting cards on a table doesn’t count). Not holding out much hope for this August either as the first Tuesday is during Gen Con.
Speaking of, is anyone attending and will GTG have some version of Disparation for the public to try there? The rest of us are starving for more content. Help us, Christopher Badell! You’re our only hope.
You seriously want the card game to bump ahead in queue again? The RPG folks have been waiting for their books since early 2019. GTG has run five kickstarters since then, including both the Definitive Edition ones that have already fulfilled. Going a year without teasers sucks, but it doesn’t begin to match the RPG delays.
I can’t speak to the RPG because I haven’t tried it, but that sounds like a disappointing situation.
I feel like expectations were set high with reveals and fulfillment of DE and RCR, but then Disparation aimed for the sun and got overly ambitious while also having the wrench of health problems thrown into the works. I know GTG is a small company and probably doesn’t have enough employees to support separate teams working on multiple projects.
So yeah, sympathies to the RPG waiters but for the purpose of this thread I bring an outstretched hand asking for any scrap of card game material. I feel like anything will re-energize the community at this point.
Gonna have to be honest, I think the ship sailed on these forums or the Reddit ever being lively again. Too many years of people being inappropriate in some manner while the mods perversely/backwardsly both refused to deal with them and instead threatened anyone who was bothered with lectures and bans.
So when Discord became a thing, that’s where most of the people who were bothered by it all went, either RoD or LP. (And indeed some Sentinels peeps I talk to one-on-one have expressed disbelief that I still came to these forums/Reddit even after all the nonsense, back when I used to try to drum up more participation here/there. I ask myself that question too sometimes.)
So while I welcome more Disparation content regardless, I don’t see a sustained increase in activity happening at this point unless there’s a massive increase in Sentinels fans to bring in people who don’t know about the bad times… and even then I’m not sure they wouldn’t just go to the Discords as people seem to prefer that in general over forums nowadays.
I don’t think Christopher will answer—if nothing else, he’s already at GenCon now, setting up and doing pre-event-events, and will not be reading the forums. But I can tell you that while GtG will be there in force at GenCon, their area is going to be Compile-centric. I’m sure they’ll have all their usual products as well, and they’re doing Spirit Island events and The Letters Page Live, but I’m highly confident that playable Disparation will not be making an appearance. It’s not like Defenders of the Realm and Compile, where a lot of effort went into making playable, presentable prototypes. When DIsparation is that close to being done, it’ll be weeks at most before it goes to the printers.
That’s what I was afraid of, that another month would go by without any significant reveal. Everyone got excited when they whetted our appetites right around the crowdfunding campaign, but seems like they definitely jumped the gun when it comes to estimated product completion. Some of that could not be helped, I know. Glad to hear it sounds like they’ve learned from that now.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing what does come out of GenCon as far as TLP goes. Those episodes are always different and interesting.
July’s update said
If you’re going to be at Gen Con, I’ll have some Disparation content with me to show off, and I very much look forward to doing so! As for updates here, the next month’s update will be on the Tuesday just after Gen Con, so we’ll be pretty beat, but not without content to share! Things I’m putting together to show off at Gen Con can be revealed in that update!
So unless plans have changed there should be something at Gen Con and on the next update.
People got to play some games with Disparation content at Gen Con as well, though I’ll let the peeps who actually went to Gen Con have their thunder by discussing that.
Should we know who the character getting Memory Lapsed is? Face and chest scars it appears, but not like Baron Blade IMO.
I’m not sure who it is offhand.
The background location gives me MDP vibes for some reason. Possibly a Citizen of the Sun, when they leased a ride from the Baron?
Issue cited is The Savage Haka #268 which puts it at least in the 2000s if not close to OblivAeon. The WT bot is not working so I can’t use that to get an idea for sure but off the Multiverse recap issue 164 of that comic is in November of 2001.
It’s the same arc as Haka’s card Dance in the Fray, I believe.
So presumably an arc of Visionary and Haka fighting minor crew members?
Hadn’t even looked to see if other cards referenced that. So must be La Capitan related.
Oh yeah, it’s totally the guy with blue tattoos (not scars) in the right background. Goatee matches too. I’m going to assume random crew member until told otherwise. Good sleuthing!
I guess the question now would be why does a time traveling pirate need to forget the time Haka and Visionary swabbed the deck with them?
Maybe it’s connected to the quote on Daner in the Fray - La Capitan learns critical information about Haka that she’s not supposed to know, and Visionary wipes the minds of everyone involved to keep the source of Haka’s power secret?
Anything on updates in Discord or other channels? Nothing on Backerkit since before going to PAX Unplugged, which had no real progress update. First Tuesday of the month has passed, and I’ll give them some leeway at the beginning of the year. Today is supposed to be back to regular Letters Page recording though. I haven’t listened to Play Greater Podcast in a while, but apparently development Hell was addressed in a recent episode. Just wondering if we should expect an update delayed by a week, or when?.. Appears we won’t be getting to fulfillment until >24 months after campaign close. sigh
The original estimated delivery was July 2024 so no matter how you shake it this was launched much earlier than the prior two sets. The campaign started in March of 2023.
FWIW, the RPG Kickstarter page also hasn’t had an update in 5 weeks now - and is, of course, overdue by much more than ~two years.
Some of that may be due the increasing number of comments from irate backers about “useless” updates that have nothing to say about the books actually promised by the project, instead telling them about the fanzine (which failed to arrive last month without explanation - but is its own rule system anyway, so not an SCRPG product) or their convention plans. There was the GenCon module last year (which is for SCRPG but wasn’t actually part of the KS originally, although backers received it), but outside of that I believe the most recent progress report on the game books was in May 2024.
I don’t know whether the RPG or the card game are top priority at this point, but neither seem to be anywhere close to completion.
I’m pretty sure Disparation is currently higher priority than whatever RPG books they’re currently working on, and Disparation is nearly done. Obviously the DE line is nowhere close to completion, but with the RPG we don’t even know how far they’re planning on taking it.
Sure we do. They owe RPG backers four hardcover books - the History of Sentinels Comics book, which is supposedly going to be pretty big and has no actual game content, the Diamond Book of Monsters, which should be about the same size as the Guise Book, a somewhat larger Darkwatch sourcebook, and a larger-still Urban Settings sourcebook. All of these were originally due by 2020, but of course COVID happened. All are currently projected for 2025 release dates.
There’s also the Sentinel Choices zine/game, which is its own system and got added to backer rewards following 2019 KS Zine Quest event - and which was most recently due to release in December 2024.
Yeah, but we know that the intention for DE is for it to go to 6 boxes and then probably stop. They’d hoped that there would be a ton more content for SCRPG: Core books for Prime Wardens, the Paradigms, and GLOBAL; settings books for space and more; plus organized play, a living FAQ, and a bunch of other dreams they’ve mentioned once or twice. We have no roadmap for the game going past the first wave of supplements.
Personally, I’d prefer they just make a second edition sooner rather than later—it’s a good core system, but there are a lot of ways in which it’s rough around the edges. But I don’t know if they have the core competency to do that job.
A lot of the original work was outsourced to Critical-Hits Studios. That might be an option, but it would require FRG to be interested in pursuing it. 
The fact they haven’t released all the KS-promised books, though, makes it unlikely they’ll go with an update of the Core, yet. Maybe once they’re done with those? 
They spent a lot of time and effort updating the Starter Kit, which wasn’t something they’d planned on doing originally.
True.
Do you see any sign that it’s accomplished much in terms of pulling in fresh players? I’ve noticed a slight uptick in reviews and the first new actual play in ages on youtube, but it’s nothing word-shaking. There’s still no resumed demand for demo games at my FLGS and the owner tells me his distributors have gotten unreliable about sticking any SCRPG product, even the kit. Even DE play is down dramatically for him compared to the older editions.
I don’t know if they had or hadn’t planned on it, but I think they definitely needed to update the Starter Kit. Once the Core book was out, there was a lot of questions around the discrepancies in both character sheets and rules, and they needed to do something about that.
But the fact it came so long after the Core book does make me think it wasn’t planned for.
GTG’s problem with the RPG, and in general, is one they’ve mentioned before: They have trouble finding other partners to work with that are reliable, timely, and good for GTG, and also seem to have internal issues themselves working with outside groups.
Alright, time for some Rulebook Reactions!
Dammit, no back cover to tease the next expansion. Also no alt-reality critical events for the core game villains which is kind of a shame.
Unknown core hero variants confirmed: Shockwave Tempest, along with Eternal Haka, Horus Ra, and Redeemer Fanatic returning from EE. Also got some cool art of Redeemer Fanatic and on KNYFE art that kinda looks like a variant (KUNAI maybe?).
The Rulers of Aeternus seems to have been heavily iterated on since the preview: Now has an empty throne on the front and a prince taking it on the back, rather than demons holding the throne on the front and something on the back. Also only Princes can hold the throne now instead of any demon. Probably means Princes will be the only ones with AE effects.
We got Rambler’s nemesis icon. Can also see Abbados is Nightmist’s nemesis and Greezigrax is Rambler’s.
Ok, so if Iron Legacy is still just an 8 difficulty of the 1-10 scale, what villains will possibly be a 9 or 10. Just Progeny?
Wow, Principle of the Undead seems very cool, especially for Unity or Captain Cosmic since their minions can still act in their brief absence. Not sure what happens to your hand though. Can you still draw/discard cards while dead? Also Zombie KNYFE writer’s room when?
Wonder how hard it would be to use Dark Visionary’s power to get all 10 Dark Side cards in your hand, ensuring they can’t be played randomly by your main cards.
Fingers crossed for no more delays. Critical Multiplier and Principle of Magic seem extremely interesting from what’s in the FAQ.
You follow the rules as written: Your hand doesn’t change because nothing says it does. You can’t draw cards because the incap rules say you can’t. You can discard them, though.
Just in case anybody on here isn’t aware, Disparation is now for sale on the GTG website:
Edit: …And it’s already sold out.
Edit 2: …And now it seems to be back in stock again? I’m not gonna try to keep up with this roller coaster of events anymore, so just know that it might be for sale and check for yourself, okay?
Thanks for the heads up, but I think I’ll forego giving FRG any more money at this point. Someone else will appreciate a copy far more than I will.
