Pride and Prejudice

Does Pride's power (to let you use Prejudice's power), supercede the rule that an individual card's power can only be used once per turn?

  Ex: Expatriate has in play (and in this order) Tactical Shotgun (Incendiary rounds), Prejudice, Pride, Flack Jacket, and submachine gun.  She plays unload.  My group has decided that all of the powers must be used in the order that the cards were played in, so prejudice goes off before pride does. When pride goes off, can I use Prejudice's ability again?

  If so, It means I should make an effort to make sure Prejudice is always in play before I put pride into play.

What say you?

  Thanks in advance.

That's a bizarre choice of your group, to make you use the powers in order, particularly in situations like this.

To answer your question, I don't think Pride should let you override the prohibition against using the same power multiple times, as it doesn't explicitly mention it. (The only case I know that does override it is Mr. Fixer's Overdrive.)

You choose the order.

you do not follow order they enter play.

So if you chose to activate Prejudice first, does Pride allow you to use Prejudice again?

Unload lets you choose which powers you use, and they don’t have to all be guns. So even with the weird house rule your group uses, you’d still be able to choose not use Prejudice as part of Unloads effect (choosing to use Load instead, perhaps), and then you can use it with Pride’s effect.

As others have said: no, Pride won't let you fire Prejudice twice. You can use your guns in any order, and not all the powers you use have to be guns. This does mean that if you have, say, Shotgun, Pride and Prejudice, you can use Load to play Unload, and then use the two powers you get from that on the Shotgun and then Pride... no power left for Prejudice, but Pride lets you fire it anyway, so that's fine :D (It wouldn't work if you fired Pride before the Shotgun though; then Load, Pride and Prejudice would be your three powers used, even if you only fired Prejudice because of Pride.)

You can absolutely use Prejudice twice in a single turn. You guys are dropping the ball on the OP here.

Example:

Pride and Prejudice are in play. You play Unload to gain (2) power uses. Use Prejudice first. Then use Pride. Since it specifically and explicitly tells you to use Predudice, you are allowed to do so. 

This is similar to two cases:

1) Overdrive. You can use the same power twice when given explicit instructions to do so

2) Effects that break other base rules, like effects that allow you to play multiple cards during your play phase when the normal rule is play 1 card.

I agree with Foote.

The only Qualifier on the card is that Prejudice is in play.

Bang bang bang!

(That was the sound of Prejudice and then Pride and then Prejudice again!)

Wowzers! Unloading with just Pride and Prejudice just a little sweeter if in a tight situation.

FAQ'd (soon).

Yup, thats how my group has always done it, and the exact reason why as well.

I didn't think that was legal... dang I love Expat more now

I'm really surprised people find this surprising! 

I'm surprised that you're suprised that they're surprised. 

We're a knowledgeable community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lErlHLCNM_s

I think it's one of those things you make an assumption about that never gets challenged.

I've never played it this way, but once someone said something I wa like, "Oh, yeah, that would work wouldn't it."

Wow...you know, I'd never even considered this was possible - it just never occurred to me. Cool - more dakka*! :D

*Well, okay, pistols don't really go "dakka", but I use the term as a generic "bullet-shooty-gun" noise (as opposed to a generic "laser-shooty-gun" noise which would be "pew pew" :D).

On a related note:  If you play Unload with a shotgun in play, and and then use Load to play "Pride", will you be able to fire a gun?  Or to put it another way:  If the number of guns changes after Unload has been played, does the number of available power uses change with it?

Hmm...personally I would say no because Unload looks at how many guns you have in play at the time it gets played itself - I would see Unload as saying "You can use X powers this turn, whre X the number of guns currently in your play area". If you only had one gun at the time, you would only be able to use one power, even if you use that power to put out a second gone - by that point, Unload has been and gone, its one-shot effect already triggered and telling you that you can use one power in your Power phase (because you only had one gun out at the time it was played).

I might be wrong, but that's how I see it, anyway :).

That's mostly how I have it in my FAQ.  There was a previous ruling that said that "Unload" gives you a certain number of powers you can use on your turn.  If you used the base power to play "Unload", then you've already used one of the total number that "Unload" will give you.

With the ruling on how X can change mid effect and alter the value of X, it is possible that adding a gun to her cards in play wil add a power use to the effect of unload.

I'm not sure I'm familiar with a ruling on X changing in mid effect.  Would you be able to restate the circumstances of or link me to that ruling?

That could be insane, if it works like that.

Step 1: 1 gun in play. Play Unload - 1 power.

Step 2: Use Load to put a gun in to play. Gain another power, since you have another gun. 

Repeat step 2 until hand is empty of guns.

Step 3: Use final power to use Load to play Unload. Fire all the guns, ending with Pride. Fire Prejudice again. 

That can't be right! Going from a single gun to firing lots of them in one turn?

Silverleaf, your plan involves a few problems:

• No matter how many powers you get, you can only use Load once per turn.
• The second Unload play doesn't do anything - the first one allows you to use as many powers this turn as you have guns in play. The second one doesn't add more powers (the same way a second Overdrive doesn't let Fixer use Strike 2 more times).

If X can change, then an abbreviated form of your plan could work:

Step 1: 1 gun in play. Play Unload - 1 power.

Step 2: Use Load to put a gun into play. Gain another power since you have another gun.

Step 3: Use final power to shoot one of your guns (or both, if they are Pride and Prejudice).

However, this is really just an overly complex way of playing the second gun and then using a power. You might as well save Unload for a future turn.

Except the chain would end at one additional play, "each power only once unless specifically stated otherwise".

This is what happens when you're permanently sleep-deprived. Ignore me.

Oh my goodness. Is it deliberate that Ex-Pat can shoot people with extreme Prejudice, or is that just my brain?

Should I be reading the cards backwards for secret tidbits of the multiverse?

You'd totally hear Christopher saying "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him".

So that's why Christopher left the Country sudenly.  It all makes sense now.

Yeah, he's running a Paul lookalike competition and training the winner to sound and act like Paul so everything can carry on as normal. It's all in the cards, man.

And all about the time we start hearing about Revo-Corp and Guise.

I think Christopher is having Adam and Paul replaced with dopplegangers that are sworn to follow him on his path of global domination.

At least we got in on the ground level, maybe we'll be treated nicer in the new order.

I mean, even the company name gives it away, Greater than Games, he has his sights set high.  Yesterday Sentinels of the Multiverse, Today Tactics, Tommorow the World!

Hmm... Anyone heard from Paul recently?


I don't think Adam is being replaced; he's in on it.


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That is not cool

Only uncool if you can't read it.

We playtesters have special [REDACTED] colored glasses that let us read those.  

Sadly that statement is untrue.  sigh.

I think this is my first official [REDACTED]. Celebrate with me!

*celebrates with Silverleaf*

YEAH!  Go Silverleaf!  Annoy those who are not like us with our special knowledge!  MUAHAHAHAHA!

Does the [redacted] dance, which looks suspiciously - one might say ominously - like the Twist.

Spiff, if you are reading this, I just read through your FAQ yesterday. With Expat, you mentioned that Prejudice can be fired twice and linked to this thread. Then about 2 paragraphs down, you said that Prejudice, like any other power, can only be used once per turn. You might want to clarify it in the FAQ.

Did you read down this thread far enough to see where Spiff was proved wrong by the creator of the game saying Pride allows you to use Prejudice twice?

Its not wrong nessesarily either. It is just like any other power where you can only use it once per turn unless stated otherwise. Pride happens to fall under that "unless stated otherwise" part

Ketigid is pointing out an old ruling is still in the FAQ and that Spiff needs to correct it.

Thanks for the catch.  I'll update it tonight.

oh two paragraphs in the FAQ…

I'm sorry, I'm tired and I've been in other nastier parts of the interenet which put me on hair-triggered defensivness…

You do one point of damage to the reply target as it is put into play?   I think a lot of folks - myself include - are stir crazy and exhausted by this long hard winter. Not alone in defensiveness.