If The Chairman is destroyed before The Operative, the game isn't yet over and The Chairman goes to the villain trash.
If the villain deck is then empty and a villain card needs to be played, the villain trash would be shuffled back into the villain deck.
Pretty interesting situation to begin with, I think. Now imagine that this has happened when you are using oversized villain cards.
Always keep the smaller cards handy.
Or just throw in a proxy from another deck. It's not like you wouldn't know where it is anyways, since it doesnt have the same back.
If you drew his character card, would you then have to follow his Setup instructions, since he'd be just entering play?
Good questions. I guess I always assumed not, because it says "at the beginning of the game," which this wouldn't be. I guess it could use a clarification though.
@Spiff
Maybe I didn't have the most recent update, but I didn;t see this ruling in the doc (maybe becuase it wasn;t clarified). Also, right under it, it talks about Mr. Fixer geting the nemsis bonus with the Operative, but it also might help to say the Chairman and Operative also get the damage bonus against each other. I don't have the source, but I thought this was said somewhere.
The same thing could happen with Omnitron, I suppose.
Doesn't it say to remove him from the game?
What would happen if you drew his picture, but not his instructions?
A pointless new target appears! And which side would he be on?
Who was card??
it also might help to say the Chairman and Operative also get the damage bonus against each other
I do mention (maybe in the "nemesis" section?) that anyone who shares a nemesis symbol will deal extra damage against anyone else sharing that symbol, which would naturally apply to the Chairman and Operative. I just didn't call that out explicitly in their section.
Is there any reason to assume that they do? I always figured that two hero cards or two villain cards did not apply nemesis to each other. Otherwise, what's to say you wouldn't always apply nemesis to yourself when self-damaging? According to the rules, "Heroes and villains who are nemeses have their damage increased by one when dealing damage to each other". Nothing about this phrase implies that The Ennead would deal extra damage to one another (though to be fair, it also fails to specify that Anubis's nemesis icon ever does anything).
It has been confirmed by Christopher that 2 different targets that have the same nemesis icon will get the nemesis damage bonus.
Right, so redirection is extremely good against the Ennead. Have to remember to try that. A pity Driving Mantis doesn't generally let Fixer pit his two nemeses against each other, since one is usually invincible while the other is in play. (Given how Fixer specializes in irreducible damage, I rather wish Chairman had said "reduce all damage to 0" instead of "immune".)
On advanced he flips really quick, and then Fixer is great for letting the Operative beat on the Chairman. I do four player games mostly, so it lines up perfectly. It is also great because the Chairman then turns and smacks her a good one.
I Imagine it to be a lot of Jackie Chan style making people hit each other.
From the point that The Chairman has his health reduced to zero, would one-shots which have a portion of it say that he deals damage be ignored?
I would say NO, that in fact, the chairman deals damage to heros even when knocked out because there is no clause on othe card that refers to his state of being while there IS one for the operative.
But I'm curious to hear what you guys think.
If he's not alive, he is not there to deal damage. He also can't be healed by his cards while defeated, etc.
Judgement of Anubis and BeeBot was a great test of this question.
Judgement of Anubis summons Anubis who deals 2 damage to everything by the text of Judgement of Anubis. If when he destroys beebot you destroy Anubis by Beebot's effect, Judgement of Anubis is still in play yet Anubis is not, therefore Anubis cannot finish the text on Judgement.
Unrelated: There was a question of what would happen to Judgement because the wording sounds like Anubis destroys Judgement, and if he was destroyed he could not, but the official ruling is that wording is misleading and the card destroys itself.
Is there are specific rule or link to an official ruling on that?
I only ask because my friends and I ran into this situation tonight. We killed the Chairman before the Operative, but since there was no mention on his card regarding him dying (unlike Omnitron, which says remove him from the game once he's down), we just kept him in play with 0 HP. There was even a one-shot villain card that came up and healed both the Chairman and the Operative by 6, so we put Chairman back from 0 to 6HP. At that point, we were going to kill both of them in one round anyways, so it didn't really matter, but we had a lengthy argument about what to do in that situation.
Oh, and the reason we didn't even think to put him in the trash was because we were using the Oversized villain cards.
When any card is destroyed it is put into thr yrash. Most of the time, when the villain is destroyed the game is over, however, it is possible that it isn’t with the Chairman. Just like any other card, when destroyed, he is put into the trash. If the villain trash gets reshuffled in the deck, and the Chairman is the villain card played, he is back in the game. This has been confirmed by Christopher.
Even sillier, the Chairman has the distinction of being the only villain character who can get stuffed into Savage Mana.
So would you shuffle both his picture card and his text card into the deck, or just one of them (and put the other card to one side for the time being)?
Very good question, since they are both character cards, but only one is a target, and that is the one being destroyed.
I would wager only the picture card gets shuffled in.
The question is what happens if he gets played. It isn't the "Start of the game" so none of that text would apply, I would guess he would go on the side the text card was on, and you would just have to knock his HP down again.
Seems like shuffling in the oversized card I use would be a bit tough.
Since they are reprinting Rook City and fixing some typos and clearing up some things, maybe The Chairman will also get a change telling us what to do with his card.
I'd say the best way to solve this, change the text on The Operative. Remove "The heroes cannot win the game." Replace with "The Chairman is indestructible."
If the Chairman is indestructible, that means if you take him down before the Operative, his text is still active giving all of his thugs and operatives bonuses. You would need to add another line specifying that his text is blank or something like that.
Actually, that was my intent.
That's an interesting idea but then the Chairman would retaliate against e.g. Squall long after he was "dead"
Also, the Chairman is hard enough without the boosts to this thugs essentially becomming permanent once he flips.
That's exactly how we played it the other night. We had no idea what to do with him since the Operative was still alive, so we just said he's reduced to 0 HP and remains in play (along with all his effects). The card that heals the Chairman and the Operative happened to come up as well, so we had to heal her by 6 and heal the Chairman from 0 HP to 6 HP (again, because we were unsure what else to do).
It actually made the game pretty challenging; I liked it.