Now i was a playtester, but i nver thought of this - i just want to verify in my own head (as other porbably already knwo is a chaotic crazy place)
Even when her talisman is in front of a hero, its still a Villain target right? So Tempest's squall hits it every turn, even when your trying to keep it out of Kismet's hands (and trust me, you want to now. ... +1 for every jinx in play is pretty brutal!)
I'm pretty sure it is still a villian target as it is still a villian card. So Tempest will got a lot of hits into it!
It certainly is!
Ok, so it's a villain target.
Is it a character card? According to the ST glossary, character cards "do not have the same back as the rest of their deck, rather, they have a unique back that provides their extra rules". Sounds like the Talisman to me.
yes, it is.
That's a great question that can hopefully get an official ruling.
I think we're good.
The Talisman really should be considered a character card - otherwise Chastise would do very weird things to the game.
Chastise the talisman ocne it's flipped so Kismet never gets it back? Final Dive it into a villain when it gets lower than 4 hit point? That's not weird, that's awesome! But yeah, it's pretty much a second character card. jut one that takes up space in the deck and should probably be treated as such.
I think you're right that it is a character card, but I can't put it into my PDF as official until Christopher says the words. He verified that the Talisman stays a villain card when it's in front of a hero, but not whether or not the Talisman is a character card or not. That's the more interesting question, I think.
He very plainly stated in one of the playtester meetups that it IS a character card. Just look at the definition of a character card. There is literally no room for questioning it.
Then there literally should be no problem with getting that confirmation. ;) I just want to make sure I've heard it from the horse's mouth before I put it in my PDF.
fair enough. I'm just saying, I wouldn't think you'd NEED one. That's like asking if MEchanical Golems are Hero targets.
Spiff is right to ask, and I'm here to confirm! No worries!
Kismet's Talisman always counts as a Villain Target, even when in front of a hero.
Technically, due to the odd nature of that card, it also counts as a Character Card.
Thanks for the confirm, I'll put it in the doc.
and link it now :P
When it flips, does the target 'leave play'? If Absolure Zero plays Impale does the Impale go away when it flips, or stay the whole game?
I assume it leaves when the card flips.
I would say it stays - the wording on the card is to the effect of "When this is reduced to 0hp or fewer, flip it and restore it to 7hp, etc etc". It's still a target, and it's still the same target, being restored to full health. It's not like the Ennead, which stop becoming targets on flipping as they have no hp. There's an existing precedent for stuff staying in play on a target-which-flips-and-stays-a-target in the form of Baron Blade, who also flips and restores a bunch of health when he reaches 0hp.
I don't believe it counts as leaving play. That would have a lot of implications, Flipping villains would get rid of Twist the Ether, Bounties, Original Omnitron would greatly benefit from that.
I agree with the rest. Talisman stays and so would impale
Makes sense. I ended up winning the game (sorta). There were some things i did wrong, so it's not a real official type win. A-Zero and Haka were incapped, and Visionary was hiding in her coccoon while the the Agents and Inmates defeated Kismet.... Even if I did everything right, i'm not sure that counts as a win.
Sure it counts! Own your defensive strategies!
Figure out the story that goes with your game. I imagine the end involved Visionary blocking the exit with her telekenetic shield, trapping Kismet in with the guards and inmates. Not the win you wanted, but she was stopped.