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Setback vs Greazer

10 posts · 692 views · started 2016-06-22 16:32 UTC
TI
Titrationator
2016-06-22 16:32 UTC
#1

I wanted to bring up a card interaction within the decks of the hero, Setback and the team villian, Greazer.

The specific cards are as follows:

Setback
Silver Lining
"If Setback would be reduced to 0 or fewer HP, remove all Tokens from your Unlucky Pool and restore Setback to HP equal to the amount of Tokens removed this way. Then, destroy this card. "

Greazer
Living Paycheck
" This card is indestructible and cannot leave this play area until Greazer is incapacitated. If there are ever no active Hero character cards in this play area, incapacitate Greazer."

The scenario in question had the Living Paycheck played onto Setback. Setback had Silver Lining in play, and a few Tokens in his Unlucky Pool. It was Setback’s turn and he had 2 HP left. He had played a card that dealt damage to himself, reducing himself to less than 0 HP.

The question is, whenever Silver Lining is activated, is Setback considered inactive at any point, activating the effects of Living Paycheck, incapacitating Greazer. Or is he considered active the entire time, keeping Greazer in the game?

The rule book also states,
“When a Hero is reduced to 0 or fewer HP, remove all of that Hero’s cards from the game, leaving only the Hero character card, flipping it over so their incapacitated side is up.”

We had ruled for that game, that Setback is considered to be active at all points during this progression , and that Silver Lining has priority of the effects of normal incapacitating.

I would like to see what other people would think in this situation and get a more official ruling.

DA
Dandolo
2016-06-22 16:49 UTC
#2

I believe you ruled that correctly since Setback’s character card never flipped he remained active throughout.

P2
Powerhound_2000
2016-06-22 16:58 UTC
#3

Setback is never incapped so you played this correctly.  

MA
Matchstickman
2016-06-22 17:24 UTC
#4

The key line is

"If Setback would be reduced to 0 or fewer HP"

so it kicks in before he would take that damage and he's never at 0 or less to be incapped.

P2
Powerhound_2000
2016-06-22 17:35 UTC
#5

Also welcome to the forums.  

PY
Pydro
2016-06-22 17:41 UTC
#6

Welcome to the forums!

TI
Titrationator
2016-06-22 23:15 UTC
#7

Hey thanks much, just wanted to run this unusual situation so I wasn’t playing incorrectly.

AL
Arcanist_Lupus
2016-06-23 05:16 UTC
#8

Incidentally, Fanatic’s Aegis of Resurrection would work the same way.

ME
metaphysician
2016-07-30 17:14 UTC
#9

OTOH, could you feed him only one of the Sentinels, assuming you somehow found a way to put the Living Paycheck on one of them?

( Yes, I know it attaches to the hero with the highest HP, but conceivably there could be *some* effect that would relocate it legally, if not in a current deck than in some future deck. )

RA
Raccoonoo
2016-07-31 04:36 UTC
#10

I believe the effect of Living Paycheck states that there have to be no active heroes in the play area in order for Greaser to incap himself, so he wouldn't fly off until all the Sentinels were incapped.