Twist the Ether and cards that deal damage more than once.

Sky-Scraper's Giant form card got me to thinking… Though the examples I'll list for this are all going to be from the base set, so that those who don't have Wrath of the Cosmos can follow along here.

There's two cards I'm going to look at; firstly is obviously Visonary's "Twist the Ether", which I believe to be one of the best cards in the game- its versatility is unmatched for both offensive and defensive purposes, and the two of them can practically take down Dark Watch Gloomweaver on their own, making an otherwise difficult villain into a complete joke. Alternatively, paired with Flesh of the Sungod, it can make you immune It reads as follows:

TWIST THE ETHER

Ongoing

Play this card text to a target. Whenever that target would deal damage, the damage type changes to a type of your choice and is either reduced by 1 or increased by 1, your choice.

If the target leaves play, destroy this card.

Then the next card I'm going to use is sort of a double whammy as it allows me to ask both the questions I need to about Twist the Ether, and that is Haka's "Rampage":

RAMPAGE

One-Shot

Haka deals each non-hero target 5 melee damage and each hero target 2 melee damage.

Now, the questions this raises are as follows:

1. Haka would most certainly be dealing damage to multiple heroes this way, assuming no one is incapacitated. Assuming the team in question is Visionary, Haka, and Absolute Zero, you likely want to deal Cold damage to Absolute Zero, and increase that damage. But with Haka and Visionary, obviously you want to reduce it. Do the rules let you select separately for each target? I lean towards a no, it's an all or nothing with this one since it's only listed on the card as one source of damage, but I could easily see it being allowed nonetheless, due to the fact that each target has damaged calculated separately.

2. Assuming that I'm correct in 1's ruling, that raises another question: Can the 5 melee damage and the 2 melee damage be altered separately regardless? I would argue yes in this case, since they're listed on the card as two different types of damage. Though once again, I can see it being argued the other way. Logically, if I'm wrong on 1, then I must be right on 2 since each target is calculated separately, though I could be right on 1 and wrong on 2.

What are your thoughts? I'd especially love comments from playtesters or even better yet, the big three.

You apply the effect of Twist the Ether separately to every instance of damage, and that's exactly how it works in the app.

So yes, you can Rampage and hit all the villain targets for 6, hit AZ with 3 cold to heal him, and yourself and for the other heroes for 1.

TtE is just that amazing.

Amazing indeed… What I just described as "one of the best cards in the game" is even better than I thought it was.

Yep, every instance of damage is treated seperately.

But Wait!  There's more!

If the damage you alter is redirected, the damage resets to its original type and amount and you get to redo your alteration.

This is insane.

Take Mr. Fixer and Driving Mantis.  You have TtE on a big bad thing that tries to deal our beloved Mr. Fixer 3 melee damage, you reduce it to 2 "Smell of burnt toast" damage, which he then redirects via Driving Mantis back at the big bad thing.  Then it resets to 3 melee damage, you are now able to alter it to 4 "fluffy bunny" damage to the bad guy.

That is totally legal and the way the card is supposed to work.

(Changing damage to non-official damage types is not legal)

You mean I can't use "Microsoft banana dollars" as a damage type?   Darn

It might not be legal, but I do it every chance I get where it wouldn't matter.

Choosing anything for the damage type is the only house rule I use, since it more entertaining and it doesn't actually mess with anything.

We always make up our own damage types, the fun is then having the group minus the player who came up with the damage choose the legal damage type that it counts as in game, if we feel like it.

Burnt Toast would be fire, Fluffy Bunny damage would be infernal.

I like unnecessary sarcasm damage myself.

Thread derailment collateral damage is the most common in my experience.

Yeah, I bet you do.

Hey, now!

Kung-fu rainbow unicorn fist is radiant

Moon damage is projectile albeit a big one and Blade would be jealous

We often have Ripper damage in my games because our cat is named Ripper.  I guess that would be Melee 

Like I care what you think.

Yeah, because we totally asked whether you cared.

Oh no, I feel soo crushed by this reply.

No really, w want to know.  It's been bugging me.  Can't sleep at night.

I'm sorry to hear that. Do you want a cookie? Maybe some cheese to go with that WHINE?

Of course I don't want a cookie. I hate cookies.

... so you do want the cheese then.

Stinky Cheese damage could be fun.  (It's like toxic damage, only smellier)

I've been known to call "stop that!" damage.

Funny, I thought there was a ruling that non-standard damage types were legit... Hmm.

I wouldn't worry about it unless every single legal damage type would be affected in some way.

I usually default to "some damage type that the target isn't immune to, don't care which one".

ITT Guise talking to himself on multiple accounts

I usually stick with Existential Dread or Rubber Chicken damage when it doesn't matter.

My personal favorites are:

1.  Not so much spam in it damage.

2.  The song that doesn't end damage.  (mwuahaha, you totally just read that!)

3.  Orange Mocha Frappuccino damage.

Huh.  I don't get it.

Spam spam spam egg beans and spam?

Did I miss a promo? I’m thinking Skinwalker Gloomweaver may have been intended but I wanted to make sure. I’ve missed some promos before.

I'm pretty sure that's the one being referred to, yes - that's the only promo for Gloomy. I think he's the one the Dark Watch (promo versions of Setkback, Fixer, Expatriette, and Nightmist, the latter of whom is Gloomy's nemesis anyway) teamed up to beat. Possibly.

Skinwalker Gloomy and GloomSpite were both released with the DW promos.  I don't know whether it was confirmed that they fought, but it seems highly likely considering A) they were released together, and B) Gloomy is Nightmist's nemesis and Spite, Fixer, and Expatriette all hail from Rook City.

In their history Darkwatch was formed to counter gloomweaver in the Skinwalker arc

Thanks for the replies.