29 posts · 2912 views · started 2013-05-03 21:02 UTC
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Spiff
2013-05-03 21:02 UTC
#1
So far, I like what I'm seeing about the pilots and ships. My initial impression was that each ship/pilot was a weak combination of some guy + some ship, however the pilot profiles released so far in the Kickstarter have shown that to be a premature assessment. So far we've got:
Neo-Elf assassin sisters, one silent, the other boisterous, piloting a super-stealth ship
A brutal and scarred Sulph-Orc bounty hunter with a lingering sense of loyalty to his War-Prince, piloting a converted spacedragon claw
A Techno-Dwarf demolitions expert who's constantly searching for the perfect kaboom, piloting a bomber
A rakish Metahuman gambler, con artist, and gun-runner, piloting a customized racing frigate named after his discarded fiancee
A War Spectre who seems to be a pretty good guy, piloting a symbiotic living space creature
A barely-holding-it-together Sulph-Orc, piloting a ship cobbled together from pieces of other ships
A competent but joyless Metahuman commander, piloting a competent and modern corvette
A cruel and chaotic War Spectre, piloting an enslaved living space creature
As long as the actual cards serve to reinforce these personalities, then consider me satisfied. I know GSF isn't supposed to just be SotM in space, but I think one of the main strengths of SotM is the strong personalities conveyed by each hero card and deck. That's a strength I'd like to see carried over into GSF. When I play the Dwarf Demolitionist, I want it to feel distinctly different than when I play the Neo-Elf Assassin Sisters. I'm still a little worried that once I start grabbing Sector cards from the same pool as everyone else, that personal feeling will be diluted, but I'm willing to be convinced that won't happen.
One additional thought, of all the characters/ships shown so far, these are what I would consider the weakest spots out of a relatively strong lineup in terms of characterization:
I love the Bomber Dwarf, though I get no particular special feelings about his ship, which is described as "a classically styled bomber". Is there anything special about it that would make a player think, "ooh, that one's for me"?
For Khorijin, the barely-holding-it-together Sulph-Orc, his ship seems to have more personality than he does. Apparently he's just the most recent guy to sit in the captain's chair? Or is the entire crew of Bad News Bears/Orcs really the characters and not just the captain? Because that might have legs, characterization-wise.
Who wants to play a competent but joyless commander character? Especially one piloting a competent and modern corvette. I read and re-read that section looking for the Awesome, but came away empty (except the fact that she jacks into her ship to drive it, but presumably so does the Metahuman gambler). Where's the hook for this one?
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Craig
2013-05-03 21:17 UTC
#2
I can definitely assure you that personality of both ship and pilot come through. Playing the Ranak Warbeast was a very different experience from playing Marot's Folly. That remained through the entire game, also. It never felt diluted through buying new cards.
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Rabit
2013-05-04 00:40 UTC
#3
Agreed!
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jagarciao
2013-05-04 01:38 UTC
#4
I imagine the "competent but joyless" character would be a good fit for players who aren't quite married to any of the other personalities and want to shape the type of ship it is a little more using the additions you can buy.
Of course, I haven't played the game. This is all speculation on my part.
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Benhimself
2013-05-04 03:03 UTC
#5
I am not a playtester, but honestly the phrase "Bomber Dwarf" alone should be enough for a LOT of people.
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Koey
2013-05-04 03:19 UTC
#6
Agreed the back story is one reason I love SOTM.
Its also to note that Warbeast is pilot by young pilots that are ranked by their kills. Which makes it the more the sweeter.
Also some ships are piloted only by 1 Pilot because they are linked to the ship while others are a small crew and I expect are shown in their card art. Like Vinidicative.
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Chaosmancer
2013-05-06 00:33 UTC
#7
Actually, she's my favorite so far because a completely different section of that page jumped out at me. Metahuman pilots normally, and her especially, are always afraid the tech will break down so they have back-up systems on top of back up systems. I love that aspect of over-planning, 'cause that's exactly what I end up doing. I get less "joyless" and more "serious" from her, I'd like to think after a succssful mission she sits back, shares a nod with the crew, and sips some coffee while planning the next run. I like it.
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Spiff
2013-05-06 02:37 UTC
#8
Chaosmancer, your forum name doesn't say you're a playtester. Have you secretly cracked the >G vault code to get a sneak peek at the new game, or do you just not have a PT badge?
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Ronway
2013-05-06 02:40 UTC
#9
Perhaps knows a playtester in person and plays games with them. When I read it though I was getting more about her personailty though rather than play mechanics.
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Chaosmancer
2013-05-06 03:10 UTC
#10
Nope, never even seen the game, that's just the feeling I got from the kickstarter page. Sorry for any confusion, I've been making guesses and decisions based off the kickstarter page for a while, guess I just forgot to make that clear, but I can't imagine with that information being released with that character that her deck doesn't take advantage of that somehow or another.
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Spiff
2013-05-06 03:13 UTC
#11
Oh, sorry. When I re-read your post, I can see clearly that you were just talking about the personality. For some reason, I misconstrued that to mean that you had additional experience with the character.
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XChylde
2013-05-06 03:23 UTC
#12
Do play testers have favorites? Just interested to see who might be the crowd pleaser. Any tidbits you could share on why would also be nice but I understand that the responses you can give are probably limited.
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Pydro
2013-05-06 20:56 UTC
#13
Since it was just announced, I can say it. My absolute favorite is Uxshent's Wrath.
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Ameena
2013-05-06 21:15 UTC
#14
The whole "powering her ship off the timestream thingy while she commits piracy with her crew" reminds me of La Capitan. Only this time, we're the ones (presumably) nicking people's stuff and sailing around blowing stuff up and generally being a pain in the arse :D.
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Spiff
2013-05-06 21:59 UTC
#15
Since it was just announced, I can say it. My absolute favorite is Uxshent's Wrath.
Why?
And how is it that she can stage simultaneous raids 12 parsecs apart with only one ship?
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Pydro
2013-05-07 00:32 UTC
#16
Honestly, this is the only way I can answer this without giving anything away:
Because she can "successfully execute simultaneous raids on sectors over twelve parsecs apart."
The KS description is exaclty what it feels like to play as UW.
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XChylde
2013-05-07 01:55 UTC
#17
Obviously she has a mechanic allowing to engage ships in more than 1 sector at a time. That sounds awesome.
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Koey
2013-05-07 04:43 UTC
#18
Yes I got to agree some of the play style now makes sense after seeing the personality of the pilots.
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Foote
2013-05-07 13:24 UTC
#19
I think the only pilot that I really have not connected with in some way is the bomber dwarf. I felt like I could gather little hints to each ones play style and personality, but his KS update days later still leaves me a bit wanting. He makes things go boom. So what? I have a feeling all of the pilots will make opposition ships go *boom* as well. What makes him different?
So far I think my favorite pilot is Euphrosyne mostly because he seems to be the heavy support ship (like an Argent Adept or Visionary). Without giving anything away, how does a support ship hold up amongst some of the other higher octane ships? Does it require a little more complex strategy to be fully effective?
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Craig
2013-05-07 14:16 UTC
#20
Trust me, Conclave of Niphon can hold its own. The strategy isn't as straight-forward as the other War Spectre ship, though. You'll find, as has been mentioned elsewhere, that each race has a ship that is low complexity and a ship that is higher complexity.
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lynkfox
2013-05-07 14:36 UTC
#21
I love the theradin. The neo elf assassins ship plays to one of my favorite tactics. hit and run. they have the ability to do small amounts of damage and get the heck outta dodge. sure there not like the Warbeast who can go toe to toe with the opposition, but they serve a pretty fun role while jetting about the galaxy.
hard to say more without giving too much away lol
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Pydro
2013-05-07 14:42 UTC
#22
Actually this isn't entirely true. Without getting into specific details, the mechanics don't allow this. However, she can [redacted] in two Sectors a round, or [redacted] in one Sector and [redeacted] in another Sector. She can engage an enemy ship then [redacted]. She can avoid [redacted] then [redacted]. She can…etc.
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Foote
2013-05-07 14:54 UTC
#23
So basically she can just [redacted] every time [redacted] [redacts] and [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] the living [redacted] out of it.
I think I get it
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Pydro
2013-05-07 14:56 UTC
#24
Pretty much. Just didn't want to leave a mistaken impression but couldn't reveal anything else.
PS Whenever a new post is put into this forum, the other GSF furm lights up. Is anyone else having this problem?
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Reckless
2013-05-07 18:48 UTC
#25
Yes. The Rules and Gameplay forum, correct?
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Pydro
2013-05-07 18:49 UTC
#26
Yep.
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Chaosmancer
2013-05-07 19:32 UTC
#27
I haven't heard about the complexities before. Without giving too much away could you list them out? For example, I'll assume the Fjarlspire (0 attack) is more complex than the Grey Bomber? But I'm curious to hear from someone who isn't guessing
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Craig
2013-05-07 19:36 UTC
#28
Well, with the Sulph-Orcs, Kharachar's Claw is [redacted] complex [redacted] Ranak Warbeast.
Of course, I kid. I think I'll leave the specifics to >G, should they choose to reveal that.
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Foote
2013-05-07 20:43 UTC
#29
I would assume the more "balanced" ship would be easier complexity. Like Marrots Folly (1/3 ship) being more complex than Vigilance (3/3 ship). That is pure speculation just based on my experience with other games though.