From the UK Sentienls Game Day:
Asked christopher the pressing question of: "Are La Capitan and Apostate the parents of Fanatic?"
The answer: "Apostate, Fanatic and La Cpatian are not related in any way" so I'm afraid a promising avenue of speculation has been closed. It also mean Apostate is a lying liar who lies regarding Fanatic's origin, but really, who's shocked by that revelation?
That may not be entirely true - he said he "created" her, right? You can create someone without giving birth to them. He might've used his powers to give her the wings in the first place, perhaps, or otherwise affected her personality to make her who she is to day. In the same way, you could say that Baron Blade "created" Iron Legacy by killing Pauline ;).
Yep, I'm sure that guy is wrong.
I mean to say that Apostate might be responsible for the existence of Fanatic in some other way besides being her father, since we now have confirmation that he isn't ;).
That's entirely possible.
An unholy experiment to create another fallen angel, would be cool, esp. if his success ends up making the weapon that brings him down, some poetic biblical style stuff there.
I'm wuite glad we don't have a concise stroyline for Sentinels, it makes it so much more fun to create your own stories when cannon isn't lurking over your shoulder judging you.
I mean we don't know if Legacy stops Baron Blade from destroying the Earth, that's why we play the game. I think >G is doing a great job balancing the known and unknown in their universe. Leaves so much room for us to create stories that could be right.
I just thought they were two sides of the same coin, and one could not exist without the other. Apostate’s very existence requires the existence of Fanatic.
Well from what I learned this weekend, the canon absolutely is there. We just don't know it all yet, because Christopher hasn't told us everything.
That said, all the battles we fight can be thought of as possible stories, or events from alternate timelines, or even representations of many encounters that the heros had that weren't earth-shatteringly (no pun intended) important. Like defeating or evading Bowser in any castle except the last, or something.
Knowing that the canon is there makes speculation all the more fun. Pieces are there, we just have to guess at how it fits.
This.
It will be really cool to have the official cannon, but it will (for me at least) be slightly sad for all the also awesome possible storylines that it isn't. If that makes any sense.
I hate to be that person, but it's canon, and not cannon. ;)
No I mean I can't wait for them to start selling artillery pieces with a >G symbol on it.
Yeah. That was it. Official cannon goes boom.
Dang auto correct.
I'm pretty sure that he does, what with it would be a kind of abrupt end to the story and whatnot. 
((…Just being THAT guy.))
But we don't if this time will be the last. Sure we've foiled the last three attempts to pull the moon into the Earth, but he might have some trick up his sleeve to succeed this time.
There's an off-planet base and at least two alternate dimensions (the Realm of Discord and the world where The Block is) among the Environments we already have, not to mention Silver Gulch which is in the past. So even if the Earth was destroyed today, there are at least four places where battles could still be fought. (I for one hope we'll see more - the Thorathian Homeworld would make a neat Environment, for instance.)
No I mean I can't wait for them to start selling artillery pieces with a >G symbol on it.
Noted! We shall take that under advisement when determining what new products to add to the web store :)
There was one other Fanatic related thing revealed at the UK Games Day.
In a Vengeance game, Christopher played Fanatic, using a page from his notebook as the character card. This Fanatic was called PW Fanatic.
She had 32 hit points, as far as I can remember, and a power, whose name I've forgotten if Christopher revealed it, that deals herself 3 radiant damage and allows a hero to use a power now.
Sadly PW did not stand for Paul Watson (and why not? Surely I am awesome enough to warrant such a tribute. ;-) ).
If I've erred in revealing this informaption, could someone with admin rights delte the post?
Pegan Witch Fanatic! I dont know, maybe her faith was rattled harder than we thought.
Edit: Seems like a strange power. It functions like Embolden, but with a steeper damage penalty and takes up a power use. Is its purpose to fuel Sacrosanct Martyr? It still ends up being a 1:1 damage ratio, but with an upper limit of 8 instead of 5? I wont spend a lot of time thinking about a power coming from Christophers notebook (I am sure he has TONS of similar alt. cards for just about everyone, no doubt), but I'd love to hear the thought behind it.
Why did I not know about this notebook? I had ample opportunities to steal it!
PW = Prime Wardens, obviously. Alas, this means it's probably unlikely that we'll get this promo until the next expansion comes out, as the PW have (at least) one member we don't know yet, and it would make the most sense to release all the PW heroes at the same time. Very excited by the prospect of a promo Argent Adept, as it saddens me greatly that none of the non-core heroes get promo action (except Unity, who is sort of "honorary core", since she has a divider in the EE).
It would make sense for that to be the Prime Wardens Fanatic, because Argent Adept is about the only teammate I can imagine using that Power on unless I was desperate.
Isn’t Redeemer Fanatic pictured with the Prime Wardens?
Yeah that would make sense. Good call.
Well presumably the other PW characters will have new Powers as well. But I can definitely see times when Fanny would like to take some extra damage in order to accomplish even a little - ignoring the possibility of cards giving additional powers, just the innate ability of Tempest or Young Legacy might be worth it under certain circumstances. There's no telling when you'll want Omnitron-X's power, Expatriette loves to play Unload out of turn, heck even the Scholar might like it. And of course, the ultimate would be for her to target herself (if that's possible) and then use Sacrosanct Martyr to dish out 8 damage.
My thing is though, that the Promo innate powers have by and large addressed a shortcoming of sorts. Bunkers two promo illustrate this simply. EoW adds to his lack of ongoing destruction, and GI helps strong aversion toward DR. Young Legacy added missing damage potential. Golem Unity added play speed. Dark Visionary frees up her Play phase for more damage oriented cards instead of support ones. Haka and Ra gain card cycling. Redeemer Fanatic gained minor mitigation and speed some speed.
PW Fanatic would raise the ceiling on Martyr to 8 sure, but its still a 1:1 damage ratio. Thats a big "meh" for me. What is interesting is that Zealous Offense would not require Absolution be in play to keep ZO around. Taking 3 damage yourself so 2 noncharacter targets cant deal damage may not be a terrible trade off if you need to keep some spaceships or Char from ripping you to shreds. And since she is a Prime Warden, of course any extra power useage, Embolden or otherwise, will never be wasted on Argent Adept.
Ideas for the other known Prime Warden promo powers:
Argent Adept - Reveal the top card of your deck until a Song is found. Activate either its Perform or Accompany text. Shuffle that Song back into your deck.
Haka - Reduce all damage dealt to hero targets by Environment cards by 1. Draw a card.
Tempest - Place 2 cards from your hand under Tempest's Character card. Increase all Lightning damage Tempest deals by 1 for every 2 cards under this card.
[Redacted] - Something something something energy damage. Thats my best guess.
I'd love to see a Prime Warden version of Fanatic, but yeah, isn't she just The Redeemer when she's a member of the PW? At least in the beginning she is.
I do hope this means we can get PW versions of each member, even though we've already got Haka and Tempest promos.
Is this confirmed information somewhere? From my understanding, The Redeemer is a reflection of where she is within her own story arch with Apostate. I do not think her status of Redeemer is a reflection of her standing within the Prime Wardens. Yes, Redeemer is shown on Silver Shadow, but is that what this is based off of? Tempest also has a dang ol' sword in that picture if I recall.
Also worth noting, it seems that the Comic issues entitled "Fanatic" are few and far between. Not sure what that means. I think Iron Legacy was seen in Fanatic #14 (please someone correct me, I think I am misremembering something).
PW does indeed stand for Prime Warden. But I know nothing about when, why or who else, if anyone, will be added with her.
One other thing to consider about PW Fanatic's base power is that if she's unable to deal damage (or is immune to it), she basically gets to let someone else use a power for free (since that part isn't reliant on her actually having to have taken damage from the first part) ;).
I have only one promo power prediction. Dang ol' sword indeed...
Well are we sure the damage that she does to herself triggers letting another hero use a power? Like, does it say:
Fanatic deals herself 3 radiant damage. One hero may use a power.
or
Fanatic deals herself 3 radiant damage. If she takes damage this way, one hero may use a power.
Because those are very different things.
It was written on a scrap piece of paper so it's completely subject to change but it was the first. There was a long period of time where Fanatic was not dealing herself damage but others still got to use powers.
Personally I'd like to see it change to the "if you do damage" version.
At that point though, promo Fanatic's power would just be much, much worse than Greatest Legacy. As cool as EoW's base power is, I think we have enough heroes with situationally useless innate powers.
Ohoh? So you know who the fifth Prime Warden is? None of the heroes in Vengeance is a match, so that means he's coming in whatever set is after Vengeance, which you're already playtesting! Oh boy, I won't have my hands on Vengance for six months and already I can't wait for the set after it!
I don't see his yellow ball of light being frost damage is all :p (referring to Silver Shadow art. Argents deck).
The Redacted part implies that you know his actual name. Hence I'm salivating over your forbidden knowledge. I'm not asking to get in on it of course; that would spoil half the fun.
I don't think this new power is entirely useless. Again, the thing is you don't have to use it. I can see it being useful for turns where you need another hero to use extra powers obviously, and it only helps you get closer to using Wrathful Retribution. Plus, like we already mentioned, you can combine the power with Zealous Offense to shut down other targets' damage until you get an Absolution. I think the power will be fun to experiment with.
Though yes, from an objective standpoint, it is worse than Greatest Legacy's power. But I think it's designed for Fanatic's martyr theme. Take one for the team so that the others succeed.
I didn't say it was a bad power, I just said I don't think there should be a conditional for the effect to be relient on damage being done. I do think you should be able to get the benefit of the power even if damage is prevented for some reason, that way there is no situation where your innate power is just pointless.
Points at damage reduction for base Fanatic's power, points at times when target is immune to damage for Legacy's Galvanize, points at Tachyon's rapid recon after a Don't Dismiss Anything.
There are many situations where a base power is pointless, or even a non-base power.
It is a very different approach to Fanatic, both her base powers currently get used a ton, and with it able to go straight into Martyr it could be cool.
I'd love a deal self 3 radiant, heal 1 or 2, someone uses a power, just because that would actually make Martyr more than a 1 for 1.
Also adding that Fanatic into the Greatest Legacy and Argent Adept teams, every turn every hero could use a power. For fun!
A lot of those examples are either just for one turn, or there are ways to get around them. I just don't think that dealing yourself 3 damage and letting another player use a power need to be connected by an if damage clause. G-Unity doesn't have that, and Nightmist doesn't have that either. Those are two characters with damaging base powers that can still get the positive effect of those powers if damage is being prevented.
I was playing in the game of Vengeance where Christopher decided to play as PW Fanatic, so I am answering off of information that I do not think it politic to share right now. If the playtesters look at the situation they may know what I am talking about.
I think that falls under the heading of "highly situational" as well, you don't think? And yeah, you probably shouldn't share one of the biggest and coolest secrets that Vengeance still has to offer…
I'm actually perfectly fine with very situational powers for promo alternate characters... I think that gives them a more promo alternate feel than something that would be universally better. That feels more like a fix that non-promo getting players would be missing out on.
But we are talking about the situational queen herself in Fanatic. Her entire deck is situational. Thats what I love about the Redeemer Fanatic, it gives you an always useful power which plays to many aspects of her deck. If there is one thing she does not need at all, it is more ways for her to damage herself. That damage is damage you could be taking for Divine Focus, Chastise, or Embolden (which is clearly the same but better than the innate power in question). And in what extra ways can we use that extra self damage? Very few. Without Wrathful Ret. in hand or the Aegis of Resurection, you will go down too fast to even make that maxed out Retribution worth your sacrifice. And a Martyr with a max ceiling of 8 instead of 5 is not a buff. Comes with as many draw backs as perks. What holes is this power attempting to plug? Maybe Ill have to play a few games with it to find it, but I am having a hard time seeing the forest for the trees here possibly.
I, too, am not a huge fan of base powers that involve damaging yourself to activate another ability that the hero already has. Much like my gripe with Golem Unity: there's never a point where I would say I can't wait for a Pylon or Workbench and would rather sacrifice 4 HP for one bot.
With this in mind, I'm on the boat that Fanatic has plenty of other ways to help out the team and take extra damage.
But, like I said a few posts ago, I don't think it's completely useless. But I would only use this version for very, very desparate games. So if this becomes the final version, it sadly won't see much play time from me.
Certainly not over Redeemer. Redeemer is soooooo good. Really gonna be hard to compete with just how good Redeemer is.
As the self-appointed defender of the burn yourself down Fanatic I approve of this power. It still is a 1-1 for Martyr, but 8 damage as a single shot is no joke, that burns a lot of DR granting minions in one shot. Not too shabby.
I would think that unlike GL PWFanatic would be using her base power sparingly, and be dealing most of her damage with her other cards, but it has some decent uses, and if it is off a sheet of paper in a folder it isn't written in stone.
I would absolutely love it if you took damage and then healed a bit back though, that promo woul be an instant favorite for me.
You could take out Citizen Truth completely with just your power phase, or Runes of Malediction (which is awesome since that gives the rest of the team time to get rid of Effigy.
Beat down significantly on any of the higher health really nasty cards, like EPE or Voss' ships, or the Paradoja Magnifica, or La Capitan's crew.
My point, a 5 for 5 damage exchange is very situational, since 5 damage is replicated well by other heroes, but 8 for 8 is a huge chunk of damage that as of right now could swing games and save a lot of HP vs. the 8 you lose.
Situational yes, hurts a lot, yes, but it would also be really powerful.
Then there would be the interplay between GL and Adept and PWFanatic. Take three send the power Adepts way who does what he can before sending it to GL who sends it back to Fanatic, healing her 1 and letting her Martyr.
Or even just taking three to let Tempest use rain, esp. if you have embolden on yourself. deal yourself 2 radiant, then play a card, deal yourself three radiant, everyone heals 2, then Martyr with 5 damage already stored.
This Fanatic would play more selfishly and risk death more, and that isn't a popular playstyle for her, but it is effective, much more so if this promo happens.
The 2 damage from embolden comes at the end of the heros turn. Martyr only works with radiant damage dealt to her that turn. So that would not work.
And again Foote ruins my stream of consciousness with fact checking. sigh.
"The stuff I make up is way better than most actual facts." --Unity, "Brainstorm"
For the record, we playtesters haven't seen this either, and we have NOT started on the next Sentinels expansion yet. Once we finish with GSF, we will be moving on to Sentinel Tactics. THEN the next Sentinels. We do, however, know who the other Prime Warden is. ...because.
That explains how Christopher lost part of his beard...
Because it is revealed through the cards in Vengeance? In that case… I might do a happy dance cause I want to know the dude's name.
It might also be revealed in Sentinels Tactics.
Or GSF (though that's admittedly a rather unlikely scenario...)
Maybe not as unlikely as all that. We know that the Thorathians appear in GSF, we've seen hints of a Thorathian hero, and we have at least one alien Prime Warden in Tempest. (Although I've lost track of whether that Thorathian, the sometimes-giant woman, could be a Prime Warden.)
[Redacted] is not a Prime Warden. And yeah, we know her name too.
Damn playtesters...
Some playtesters… There are a few of us that try not to brag or reveal information that we have knowledge of.
They started it.
No offense, McBehrer, but if you playtested for a big company like Wotco with this kind of casual disregard for confidentiality, you would quite likely end up getting sued for damages. If I were the >G guys I would definitely revoke your playtester status because you can't keep from spilling the occasional beans. (Not in this thread, here you're only giving hints, but you have made more specific spoilers elsewhere, and I'm surprised that the Citizen Hammer hasn't come down on you for it.)
He is just as excited as the rest of us man, leave McBehre be.
It is clear that McBehrer is the evil that never sleeps.
Why can't the rest of you see that?
I kind of agree. His near-slips are consistent and deliberate. I'm surprised he hasn't had his playtester status revoked yet, too (sorry, buddy).
Certainly hasn't spilled anything worthy of a ban hammer. Such a severe punishment would require a severe transgression. Point to such a post. Until then, get over it. The shrill whines that amount to little more than "stop teasing us" are just as annoying as anything he's doing.
It isn't fair to hate you, but dang am I close now 
.
Well, at least this is confirmation that we were correct about her appearing, though not exactly confirmation of hero status
I wouldn't call it confirmed at all. Honestly, what McBehre said is pure speculation, even for PTs. If he's thinking of a name, theres no concrete connection between that name and the giant Thorathian. None. Hopefully that clears some confusion as to why what was said is no where near worthy of ban hammer status. Take things you read on the internet with a grain of salt every once in a while. Healthy practice.
I certainly don't think McBehrer deserves the ban-hammer (and he still wouldn't even if he hadn't paid $40 for the privilege of playtesting), but you can't really judge the annoying-ness of his posts, considering you're a playtester and thus know what he's talking about.
It's not that they're annoying, they specifically release information that he should not be releasing. For example, the latest one:
[Redacted] is not a Prime Warden. And yeah, we know her name too.
All indications are that he's talking about the giant Thorathian girl, and he's telling the world that she's not a Prime Warden. That's not his info to divulge, and he's specifically agreed not to divulge stuff like that, yet he does it all the time. I've got nothing personal against McBehrer and don't really want him to be banned from the forums, but anyone who consistently leaks little bits of info like this is breaking their agreement and should probably have their playtester priveleges revoked. It's just an observation however, since I don't have any skin in that game.
Foote, telling people to "get over it" is pretty rude. There are probably more harmonious ways to indicate that you're not bothered by something without telling people how they should feel about it, yes?
We have all known who was in the Prime Wardens since Infernal Relics Spiff. 5 members. All shown on Silver Shadow. Sounds like he is giving well known and documented information. If not explicitly confirmed already, it has been a major consensus for a long while way before Vengeance PTing. And if he thinks he knows that Thorathians name, well, I am missing the leaked information there.
And Spiff, calling for the Ban Hammer on someone unnessesarily is not equally rude? Let's stick to the subject at hand. This is not about me dude. (Not saying I don't agree with you to a point, however. Don't get me wrong there).
He isn't leaking as much as you'd like to think he is.
Call me old fashioned, but if he leaks anything at all, except by the rare accident, then he's broken the agreement he made when he became a playtester, and shouldn't be allowed to be a playtester. I'm not sure why that's a controversial idea. You seem to think that it's OK to consistently leak lots of little stuff as long as he doesn't leak something you consider big and important, and maybe that's a legitimite difference of opinion. But no, I don't think simply pointing out that a guy who violates the playtester agreement should probably not be a playtester is rude. That seems like common sense to me. I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone.
My contention isn't that he didnt leak anything of conseqence. My contention is that he didn't leak anything period. This comes down to an argument about whether him saying he thinks he knows the name of an unreleased character should be classified as "leaking information". We are just going to have to agree to disagree there mate.
Hey! There are a few of us who can ban McBehrer, and it's none of the people in this discussion! (Well, up until now...)
The people who CAN ban people are paying attention to everything, and have talked to individuals before about their posting habits (*ahem - keep it under control, kid*) but, either way, it's not your decision. It's the decision of those elusive few who do actually weild the ban hammer. Who are they? The Multiverse may never know. It is said they are perpetually cloaked in shadow and that they live in an unfindable cave on the top of an unclimbable mountain, deep in an unknowable forest, surrounded by an uncrossable river...
But, then again, manything are said, and that's probably a pile of nonsense. Pfft. Surely there is no secret mastermind who pulls all the strings...
As you were, citizens.
I new Christopher was aligned with Dawn.
Maybe he's actually Citizen Dusk, and the whole Anvil thing is just a front ;).
But he isn’t a character card, so he doesn’t have a back.
I went there last spring for vacation. It's quite nice actually, but I don't recommend trying the Tuna Casserole.
Well, it's pretty obvious the Thorathian is not the bearded guy with the energy stuff, who IS the other Prime Warden probably.
Also, to correct Spiff, they WERE fairly consistent. That was more of a speculation, and a pretty small one at that, but I haven't seriously leaked anything in a while; not since we talked, at any rate.
Also, saying someone shouldn't deserve to be a playtester KIND OF falls under the perview of "trying to pick a fight with anyone."
Look, I don't even care that much. I thought I was pointing out something pretty obvious and uncontroversial, but apparently not. Personally, I think you purposely cross the line too often. But you seem to be fine with it, and as long as the >G folks are also fine with it, we have no issues.
You keep using that present tense...
I agree and support Spiff on this.
Personally, that kind of attitude makes the ones doing it look childish (needing policing) and the rest of the crew unprofessional. Even more personally, discourages people like from participating in the forums (even though I'm not that much around). Which btw is the solution to my problem.
So how are we supposed to know what to stab? confused
Christopher's character card does have a back, it's just not connected to his front. Both halves were seperated and sealed seperately to ensure Christopher's immortality.
No one's got Cristopher's back?
That's some cold sh** right there...
Seriously, man didn't even have his own back. What a jerk.