Apologies if this has already been said before, but it is possible that the Vengeaful 5 may count just as one of the five villans in Vengeance?
I say this because in the Kickstarter photo that I am attaching I see four more above them. And of these new four, a couple of them have been seen and discussed before.
Am I crazy, or our friends from >G are pulling our legs big time here?
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Pure speculation, but an Ennead-styled deck would be an interesting way to go.
I got another picture, and in this one you can see five guys at the top, instead of four. So are they maybe the five heroes?
It will be a surprise, as at least two of them (The Chinese guy with the blue sphere and the guy in the top right of the picture) apperared in Visionary and Nightmist decks, and they looked pretty much as villans.
I think it's more likely that they'll be targets in the main characters' decks (most likely the new Blade deck), but who knows?
It does not make sense. In all the expansions the heroes appeared clearly in the box, and this looks pretty much as the one for Vengeance. So these five have to be the new five heroes. WTF???
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The designers have said before that the art shown is not necessarily the final art for Vengeance, so I wouldn't get too hung up on it.
On previous expansions, the heroes have appeared fighting the villains, heroes on the left and villains on the right. On this expansion, all figures on the box stand together, presenting a united front. They look very much like they're all working together. Plus, like you say, several are people we thought were villains, and some of them ooze evil. This is, after all, the 'villain' expansion, so the villains really do take centre stage.
It was stated by Christopher (before a second environment was added to the game) that Vengeance would feature '7 or 11' decks, depending on how you counted. This does really strongly imply that the Vengeful Five are the only villains. Furthermore, as it has been stated on many occasions that Vengeance felt like a whole different game, it would be a little strange to then turn around and put normal villains into the expansion as well.
The whole point of Vengeance is that Blade is gathering together all these villains who have grudges against the heroes. Given Blade's MO (hiding away and forcing the heroes to fight their way to him), having a deck filled with minions would not be surprising. Plus, those people we think are villains have would-be nemeses who themselves already have nemeses, but they could be minion-nemeses, which we've seen happen before.
What you are saying makes sense, but more questions emerge. As for example: what would be the difference/s between these five at the top, and the four villains we already know (asuming each one of them has his/her own deck, as it seems)?
I guess time will solve the mistery. Maybe these five are sort of "Operatives", that is to say, targets with villain card, high HP, and powers/abilities but no deck of their own.
Or maybe we see something different, like mini-decks inside a deck (3-5 cards), something more independent than the Operative, whose actions were still linked to the Chairman's deck.
Also, I am wondering how we are going to put all those villains/cards/decks on the table!!! And what these positions will mean for the game.
I don't know, but is nice to consider the different possibilities.
I want in on the [REDACTED]. let me be a playtester!! pleeeaaase. I already have 120p card stock waiting.
Is it just me, or is Blade's face getting worse with time?
Sorry, the last chance to join in was during the GSF KS.
There will likely be more opportunities - I'm sure >G has more games in the pipeline, and they'll probably do KSers for those, also. Last time (Galactic Strike Force), they didn't include it directly in the KS due to some frustrations of managing it that way, but they did add the option to their online store during that period. It seems likely they'll do the same thing next time.
perhaps some of the background people are minions (aka villain targets within the deck) of the vengeful 5 (who are either one deck like the enhead or are 5 individual villain decks)
I'm exciting to see how Hippoman and the art on 1st Ed Savage Mana fits the story.
Our bet? They're all villains. None of them look like heroes, and that hippo-dude was seen getting elbow-smashed by Haka on the eponymous card. Plus, look at the released info on the four villains. A lame burglar lady who gets punked by Wraith, a lame speedster who has to beg her way onto Blade's team, a splitter whose power is pretty cool but unstable, and a big thug with a silly-looking helmet. These are controlled by Blade, those aren't the five set villains. There'll be more. We'd bet good money on it.
I'd take that bet, but organising gambling over the forums would be odd, and also I don't have money… I'd bet you fake money 
They're all on the side of villainy, I agree, but I'd say that none of them are getting their own deck.
(Who's we, by the way? It's quite a novel cahnge, seeing someone typing in first person plural 
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I'll be willing to take that bet.
Not fair, Ronway. 
Prestige Worldwide, in case you didn't know, that "Playtester" badge under Ronway's name means he's already seen the set (along with the rest of us playtesters).
I can say this much: I'm really looking forward to how this set is going to play, to see all the villains in that image show up, to see the art the >G folks have been coming up with for them, and to experience their stories. It's going to be a lot of fun.
Now, as to spoilers, the speedste&(@ *2n8!&$
Ow! Hey, who threw that?
*whistles innocently while pointing at Ronway*
Oh, now, we weren't going to actually bet anybody. It's a figure of speech. But if we were, we'd clarify the bet thusly:
We bet that none of the characters in the image are heros, and that all of them represent bad dudes. And most (all?) of them will be villain targets. We wouldn't bet they're all getting villain decks, that'd be crazy-sauce. But we also bet the >G dudes will throw us all curveballs, so, no actual bet.
As for second person plural, "it's the royal we, you know, the editorial..." and also it's an account for Prestige Worldwide, and we're a collective of sorts, so there you are.
What do you mean, an account for Prestige Worldwide? I understand the reference to Step Brothers, but are you representing a group of people who all use the same login or something.
I used to belong to a WoW guild named Prestige Worldwide. They thought the name and reference were hilarious.
Yeah, a bunch of us live together and play SotM together and have access to this account. And we think it's fun to use the royal we. And that Step Brothers is a dang masterpiece.
So you are saying that you have plenty of room for activities?
I want to give a theory SO BAD, but I don't know if it might hit a little too close to home that I get redacted like so many before me...
Lol, no one is "getting redacted". That's us playtesters doing it to ourselves to be annoying to non-playtesters. As long as you don't have any actual playtester knowledge yourself (i.e. you're in someone else's playtest group), theorize away. It's only a problem if you know for a fact that something is true, and then you reveal it. Theories (correct or not) are totally welcome.
For example, I have a theory that the new expansion will reveal the Scholar's nemesis, the Nihilist. The Nihilist will have abilities that mirror the scholar, such as elemental forms (Hollow Form, Dead Form, and Covered in Bees form), and a magic flying carpet.
But, since I don't actually know what I'm talking about, it doesn't get redacted.
I am so awesome that I get [redacted] without being a playtester.
Covered in Bees Form should totally be a thing.
My current theory is 5 villain decks, which can be combined into a single deck for the Vengeful Five to actually be a thing (ns how that'd work. Only that it'd be awesome), 4 hero decks and 2 environments. One of the hero decks is La Capitan's nemesis or Miss Information's, and a couple of them are characters who have shown up on other cards, but don't have nemeses yet (why? to make it more open for the next expansion, of course).
Yeah it's pretty open, but we've not got a heap of information to deal with... yet.
Oh yeah- in our house of learned doctors.
For a game that supports 3 to 5 players wouldn't a stand alone expansion need 5 heroes?
what is the vengeful 5 are the5 'heroes' that you get and they are fighting other villains that are in their way (after all, there is no honor among thieves - the villains will take each other out if they are in one anothers way).
(i use the term heroes to mean that you get the full hero-like deck of 40 cards with them and they take the game space of being heroes while you get other villains to take the game space of villains)
Question for playtesters, since Vengeance is a standalone with only 5 heroes, are these 5 heroes very synergistic if someone bought Vengeance as their first entry to Sentinels?
Can it be played on its own? Yes. There are 5 Heros, the V5, and environments. Enough for a full game. With that being said, it is still an expansion to the base game. I think if you go out and buy an expansion as your introduction, know what you're getting into.
But the heros will be as synergistic as any other combination of heros in the game I'm sure.
That discussion is still alive and well, with playtesters on both sides of the argument.
