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Drakossozh
2013-03-30 06:35 UTC
#1

Like you know, relationships. I have a bad habit of shipping characters together, and the Sentinels are no exception. Personally, I like the idea of the Wraith and Bunker getting together. What do you guys think?

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BlueHairedMeerkat
2013-03-30 11:37 UTC
#2

Omnitronks and Stealth Bot.

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celette482
2013-03-30 12:54 UTC
#3

Okay, so obviously Drakossozh knows where I stand on Wraith and Bunker

BUT a friend of mine has this Maia plus the Chairman when he isn't the chairman thing going. Two powerful, wealthy people with shadow lives. They'd run in the same circles of the upper echelons of Rook City. They're both highly intelligent, cultured, and ambitious. I can totally see the chairman trying to cozy up with the CEO of a fortune 500 company for his own secret purposes and Maia is just tired of talking to the same boring people all the time. It only works if it's before anyone knows who he is. (the ageless thing can be explained by "the men in my family all have the same name"

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Drakossozh
2013-03-30 15:36 UTC
#4

Ooooh, that sounds juicy. Kind of like a Batman, Catwoman thing, before they knew each other's identities. Flirting with each other during the day, trying to beat the hell out of each other at night. Very interesting. Should make the next Chairman battle with Wraith interesting, yes?

Another of my ships is, strangely enough, AZ and Expatriette. I can just imagine all the brooding and snarkiness and insults they'd hurl at each other; I think they'd eventually get together just to make it more convenient to snark at each other.

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Reckless
2013-03-30 18:20 UTC
#5

I know with the proposal topic, some people have alluded to shipping Absolute Zero and Expatriette.

Tachyon and Dana Bertrand.  Ship, ship hooray!

 

But seriously, I'm wondering if Ra might have a previous sexual/romantic relationship with one of The Ennead.  I have no evidence to back it up, but I am curious if Dr. Washington, Jr. (or even Ra, exclusively) have anything going on with someone, superpowered or otherwise.

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Zalrus9
2013-03-30 22:50 UTC
#6

....I guess it was only a matter of time. JUST KIDDING! If that's what makes you happy, go for it!

I'm suprised this topic hasn't been breeched sooner. I'm thinking of the freedom five, Wraith and Bunker would be the ones who aren't "taken" per se, but I've not seen them interact in any meaningful way in the cards. Also, workplace relationships rarly end well, so there's that. Reckless, your idea of Ra having a thing with one of the members of the Ennead would be interesting. (I would think Isis, and perhaps a love triangle with Osiris, because mythology theme aren't we all clever?)

Who knows? I'm probably not the one to ask, since my heart is a scarred, shriveled husk right now.

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celette482
2013-03-30 22:58 UTC
#7

Wraith and Bunker are about the same age. I think what's more important is that Legacy and Tachyon will speculate ENDLESSLY about what those two crazy kids get up to.

I've worked in situations where I'm the youngest person (or at my church in college) and I've been told often that us twenty-somethings are the subject of endless idle speculation among the empty-nester crowd. May not be a universal experience, but if we don't ship them, I think their teammates do!

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Drakossozh
2013-03-31 03:55 UTC
#8

Stupid question: who is Dana Bertrand? I feel like I should know her, but I can't seem to recall....

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PlatinumWarlock
2013-03-31 06:57 UTC
#9

Tachyon's wife, as shown in the Freedom Four comic.

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Drakossozh
2013-03-31 07:48 UTC
#10

Oh! Oops. Sorry about that. I haven't read the comic-truth be told, I'm trying to hold it off until the arc is complete for download, then I want to read through all of it in one sitting :P

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Ironic
2013-04-01 16:40 UTC
#11

 

Ah, shipping!  Since my playgroup likes to play SotM in a pseudo-RPG style, with ongion plotlines and whatnot, we've discussed this quite a bit.  And it resulted in some substantial changes to characters' ages because, as it stands, SotM is a very hostile environment for non-creepy romance.  Take a look:

 

Male Heroes:

  • Absolute Zero (age: 44)
  • Argent Adept (age: 27)
  • Bumker (age: 28)
  • Haka (age: unknown centuries)
  • Legacy (age: 47, and married)
  • Ra (age: 43/immortal)
  • Tempest (age: 136)
  • Mr. Fixer (age: 86)

 

Female Heroes:

  • Expatriette (age: 22)
  • Fanatic (age: unknown, seemingly young, possibly a nun)
  • Nightmist (age: 25)
  • Tachyon (age: 38, and married)
  • Visionary (age: 17)
  • Unity (age: 19)
  • Wraith (age: 23)
  • Young Legacy (age: teenager)

 

In other words, there is are only two male heroes younger than 43, and only one female hero older than 25.  Larger ages of nonhuman beings are essentially meaningless, so you could argue that Tempest and Haka are both available for the younger ladies, but since Haka always seemed unapproachably insane on his cards, and we're told that he's canonically grandfatherly towards everyone, I just cannot see a take on the character where this makes sense.  Likewise, you could use Fanatic's unknown age to put her in the same area as the middle-aged men, but (1) she just doesn't seem to fit that bill, and (2) I think she's sworn vows of chastity.

 

Until Vengeance, every human villain who has a known age is over 40, too.  It was around this time that I launched Operation: Torment Ra, declaring that not only was one of the Ennead Dr. Blake's estranged ex-wife (I agree that Isis is the clear choice, but I went for Nuit, so that Isis could be young and flirt with young heroes), but he had dated Kismet as a teenager and Dawn Cohen in college.

 

In our continuity, Absolute Zero got a substantial age-down and had his backstory altered, mostly to make the F4 less jerks for forcing a man into dangerous servitude.  Without that, I could not justify shipping him with Expatriette, or indeed, any available candidate. Canon Bunker and Argent Adept are open to the older half of the young female heroes, though - I am personally a fan of Nightmist/Bunker (she is known for guest appearances in F5 annuals; his down-to-earth banter and her crazy mystical stuff are a great juxtaposition; they have very different skillsets and solo series, meaning that they widen each others' narrative scope), rather than any pairings which would put the tech heroes with other tech heroes and pair up the magic heroes.  If your taste for Strange Comic Age Stuff is great enough, you could get a male option for the teenage ladies by saying that 136 is basically 19 in Maernian years - I favor a lo triangle in which he has difficulty trying to melt the icy Visionary, while Young Legacy gets reckless in her efforts to impress the alien.

 

As for The Wraith with either The Chairman or one of the twentysomething heroes?  Well... here's my observation: I have honestly never seen, in any medium, a stylist female thief who was not, at the least, mutually attracted to the main person trying to stop them.  I took Ermine's bio as a direct statement that Tachyon is not the only gay superheroine in Legacy Comics.  That's not a bad thing, though - not only is it progressive, but it could create a very strong partnership with Unity.

 

Ironic

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Basarin
2013-04-01 18:29 UTC
#12

Just one note I'd like to point out. It said in his bio that Zero was in his early twenties when he hit that ever going downward spiral and THEN got hit by that lab accident in the Pike Industrial Plant, followed by saying he was in cryo storage for ten odd years? So while he's TECHNICALLY 40 odd years, physically (and mentally probably) he may not actually be that old.

That's just my two cents there. There's no helping the ages of the other heroes. 

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celette482
2013-04-01 18:34 UTC
#13

Yeah, I kinda read AZ as being frozen literally for several years, but at the same time, they talk about how he could either go hero or be bored, which implies that he was aware of the time passing maybe?

Of course, maybe superheroes age slower than non-powered people. (even with the marvel universe time dilation, for example, magneto should be getting too old to be an actual threat any more). So while they are older, they might also have a lot of time ahead of them too.

And people like Expatriette probably don't see themselves as "young." She's got more years on her than her age suggests.

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Ironic
2013-04-01 18:56 UTC
#14

Expatriette is a punk with delusions of grandeur.  She spends her bio whining that villains don't actually know who she is.  She may have been through some harsh experiences, but nothing we've seen of her suggests maturity... as one would expect of a 90s antihero, I suppose.

 

And, sure, maybe canon AZ is closer in biological/mental age to my version than one would expect, although he did get a doctorate, then have a multi-year career pre-freeze, and was sitting in a tiny room (the "be bored" option) for five years post-thaw, so he could hardly have spent less than 30 years relatively active.  Oddly, this would put him closest to the early-30s implied age of most major superheroes (Batman, Superman, Iron Man, etc.) of all the Sentinels characters.

 

Ironic

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Chaosmancer
2013-04-01 19:41 UTC
#15

Wow, little harsh don't you think?

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celette482
2013-04-01 19:47 UTC
#16

I'd say SHE thinks she's old. But she definitely would have a warped perspective. Unreliable narrator, as it were. Definitely trust issues. She might even be sociopathic (or maybe attachment disorder?). She doesn't need to be dishing out vengeance, she needs therapy. (That being said, I would read her comics religiously).

Of course, that also means I don't ship her with anyone. Not due to youth but due to the fact that there's no way she could even begin to approach a mutually supportive emotional relationship with another person, no matter how snarky they are.

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Ironic
2013-04-01 19:48 UTC
#17

No.

 

However, I probably shoul not have said it all here, since all that matters to this thread is that she's 22.  Debating her other merits should have its own discussion if needed.

 

Note that I'm not saying I view my (highly unflattering) view of Expatriette as a bad thing.  Flaws make for interesting characters, and a game like SotM, which has to get each character's essence across in such a small space, needs very extreme flaws and strengths, so they can be grasped quickly.

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BlueHairedMeerkat
2013-04-01 22:29 UTC
#18

Wait, what? Why?

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EvanDan55
2013-04-02 16:39 UTC
#19

Tachyon and Dana. It's really the only confirmed couple we have, besides Legacy and his still-unknown wife.

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Ironic
2013-04-04 06:48 UTC
#20

... which is exactly why those pairs do not count as SHIPPING.  The whole point is rampant speculation, whether you actually believe it, or are just amusing yourself (I favor the latter).

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flamethrower49
2013-04-07 07:00 UTC
#21

You could help the age of Visionary.  Depending on how, exactly, time travelling works in the story, she could easily have seen far more than 17 years.

Of course, the other heroes may have to be arrested, depending on state laws.  :/

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Nielzabub
2013-04-08 08:18 UTC
#22

I'm not sure how compatible they are, but I think it would be entertaining and interesting to see Fanatic and Ra in a relationship. They both just have to accept that the other is probably a little insane.

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Ironic
2013-04-08 11:24 UTC
#23

If one assumes that Fanatic is old enough to make it non-creepy (and, you know, not a nun), I have to agree that there's some great chemistry there.  Of course, the question is whether the relationship could survive the first tim one of them forgets the anniversary, and both then go into hiding to brood about it for a year.

Ironic

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Benhimself
2013-04-08 15:57 UTC
#24

Ever since the barbecue picture, Legacy/Absolute Zero and to a lesser extent Tempest/Haka. (Pauline is the result of artificial insemination to continue the Legacy line.)

Plus, Legacy/AZ works great because Legacy can Next Evolution up immunity to cold and they can hang out in the cryo chamber without AZ's suit having to be on.

Bunker's just a total playboy. I mean, look at that body. I will allow a token heterosexual shipping in my headcanon and say him and Kismet are a recurring item.

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celette482
2013-04-08 16:15 UTC
#25

Yeah, Bunker gets any girl he wants. Just look at how he raises his eyebrow when Legacy reveals his underwater suit. That'll melt any girl's heart.

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Ironic
2013-04-09 03:43 UTC
#26

Ah, I see.  You're saying that Tyler  Vance is a playboy, but remains… sunglasses … unlucky in love.

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!

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Benhimself
2013-04-09 10:37 UTC
#27

 

I suppose it beats the obvious implied "gets lucky" joke.

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Ironic
2013-04-09 11:35 UTC
#28

Or the idea that his affections just get redirected to Fanatic.

Or someone observing that being with Kismet involves spending a lot of time at "The Block," if you know what I mean.

I see your point - someone has to be shipped with Kismet, for the puns' sake.

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Blossercubbles
2013-04-20 18:01 UTC
#29

Huh. Tyler from da Block. Innnnteresting.

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Phantom5613
2013-04-25 22:50 UTC
#30

I don't see Tyler/Bunker with Kismet working really. If anyone, I think she would fit better in a love/hate relationship with 'Twitchy', or 'Lucky' as I'm trying to call him.

For what I DO think is possible here is Wraith and Bunker. They're both two of the smartest people on the team that  aren't married. I also think, if Wraith eventually trusted the team enough and revealed her secret identity, she could maybe mesh with him a bit more.

But if he wasn't married, I think Legacy/Wraith would be cute. She'd be trying to sneak around to fight crime, and then he just comes barreling through blowing her cover inadvertently. :stuck_out_tongue:

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celette482
2013-04-25 23:42 UTC
#31

 

I have a concept that I like to call a friend-ship. Legacy and Wraith are my friend-ship. As in, I'm pretty sure that Legacy follows her around and does exactly what you describe and then doesn't fully understand why she's so annoyed. (it's that whole Batman-Superman friendship dynamic)

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Nielzabub
2013-04-26 01:01 UTC
#32

I don't think a relationship between Bunker and Wraith would last very long. From what I can tell, Tyler Vance is pretty much the same person in or out of the Bunker suit. He's not really a person who bothers with secret identities and is pretty straight forward most of the time. Wraith, much like Batman, seems to have a pretty big difference in her personality when she is being Maia versus being Wraith. I could see Tyler having a lot of problems trying to come to terms with this.

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Ironic
2013-04-26 05:40 UTC
#33

Eh.

Wraith's archrival is a vapid burglar who is actually a vapid socialite who is Maia's archrival.  Maia spent her time in school being infamous for focus and multitasking, while she was actually training to be Wraith through focus and multitasking.  I just don't see a huge disconnect here.

I mean, I would ship Bunker with almost any non-creepy option before Wraith.  I don't like pairing heroes with the same power source, and Bunker deserves a much more interesting character to play off of than Wraith.  But even I have to admit, it's hard to see a reason why it couldn't work.

Well, except the obvious: He'd keep on breaking the flow of dates to try and figure out what she's using that hairdryer for.

Ironic

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Nielzabub
2013-04-26 06:02 UTC
#34

I think most people would have trouble having a relationship with Maia. She's lost a boyfriend before to street violence and is probably a little hesitant and be completely open with someone. I think Bunker would be on the opposite end of that spectrum. There's really no reason for him to be distant, unless has something like PTSD, but there's nothing to suggest this. I imagine he would just end up emotionally exhausted.

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celette482
2013-04-26 13:45 UTC
#35

Alright, let me clarify my ship of Wraith and Bunker/ Vance. He would flirty ALL the time with her. All the time. He seems socially adept enough to not make it weird (note that I am basing ALL of this on one simple eyebrow raise from the FF Annual #1) but I think there would be some constant flirting. She'll always ignore him, not necessarily shut him down, just roll her eyes and go back to throat jabbing someone. Vance might go out and have other relationships with people that are reciprocated, but that base dynamic I don't think would ever really change.

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Ronway
2013-04-26 14:05 UTC
#36

The only relationship I can see working out is Omnitron-X and Wraith's hairdrier. I can see him taking it to the Realm of Discord so the can spend the entire day just talking with eachother.

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Ironic
2013-04-26 15:16 UTC
#37

The joke's on him when time speeds up and the whole day passes in the space between two words.  Ah, love, ever a difficult path.

But I hope those two crazy kids/timeshifted messianic reformed villains/glorified household appliances could make it work.

Ironic

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Ameena
2013-04-26 20:17 UTC
#38

Oh great, now you've put the image of those two into my head together with the phrase "blow job"...eww lol.

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Phantom5613
2013-04-26 22:12 UTC
#39

Heh, I like that thinking. Sort of reminds me of a Raven/Beast Boy  mechanic, except Beast Boy would be a bit cooler and wrapped in metal and not telling stupid jokes.

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DevraCaspit
2013-04-27 19:57 UTC
#40

 

TO THE BLOCK!