40 posts · 6829 views · started 2012-09-07 21:20 UTC
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koutrou
2012-09-07 21:20 UTC
#1
I’ve been playing for a bit and really like to read the bios just for more of an idea what each hero is like. When I was checking earlier today on the Argent Adept’s page and noticed he was affiliated with the Prime Wardens. I though I recognized the name, and upon a bit of further searching, realized that both Haka and Tempest are affiliated with them too. So, who are these ‘Prime Wardens’?
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pwatson1974
2012-09-07 21:24 UTC
#2
They appear to be the Defenders to the Freedom Five's Avengers. They appear in force, with two members you haven't mentioned, on one of Argent Adept's cards.
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koutrou
2012-09-07 21:26 UTC
#3
That makes me want to get my kickstarter that much more.
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Rabit
2012-09-07 21:41 UTC
#4
Actually the art of Silver Shadow (the card pwatson1974 mentioned) includes Argent Adept, Haka, Tempest, Fanatic (in her alternate form), and a masked man with a red and gold costume/uniform and golden energy around one fist. (It also shows AA's silver shadow, which some folks have mistaken for another member of the team.) So there's only one member we don't know...
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Spiff
2012-09-08 01:47 UTC
#5
Thanks for the heads-up on some of the old heroes now being affiliated with the Prime Wardens. My PDF of the biographies didn't reflect that (but it does now).
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EvanDan55
2012-09-08 09:41 UTC
#6
Speaking of the unidentified man in red and gold, after seeing him, I thought I recognized the colors of a boot and part of a leg in the Realm of Discord. I forget what the card's real name is, but I think it's "Claustrophobic Disallusion" or something. So he's in the Realm of Discord at some point. Assuming that is actually his foot and leg.
Maybe he's the second hero in Time & Space? I guess he'd be the "Space" to CR's "Time", if he is the other one (which would explain him being in an interdimensional realm). Anyone else think it's possible? I'd say he's at least got a good chance of showing up at some point since it'd be weird to have this Prime Wardens team and leave one of the members out of the game.
Then again, Fanatic's bio doesn't list her as affiliated with the Prime Wardens, so maybe it's just a coincidence that three of the people pictured are associated with this group.
However, when it comes to SotM, I don't believe in coincidences. I think I'll throw in my chips with this guy being a new hero in this expansion. I think we've got solid reasoning. Also, I have no other guesses than this guy as to the second hero, so it's all or nothing.
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koutrou
2012-09-08 14:34 UTC
#7
Well, Fanatic's bio now lists her affiliated with the Prime Wardens, so there is no such thing as coincidence.
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EvanDan55
2012-09-08 17:04 UTC
#8
Whoa, you're right. Did... Did I just will that to happen in hopes that it would validate my guess even more?
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EvanDan55
2012-09-09 02:21 UTC
#9
I was just able to look at my cards again, and the flavor text of "Silver Shadow" says the comic is Prime Wardens #1. It's gotta be this red & gold guy. He looks pretty cool.
It makes me happy when all of us can pool information and figure these things out together.
Thanks, Internet, for making these sort of things possible!
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Rabit
2012-09-09 03:41 UTC
#10
And Greater Than Games for creating it!
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EvanDan55
2012-09-09 05:59 UTC
#11
Let's give everyone a round of applause!
Now where's the emoticon for clapping hands?
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Rabit
2012-09-09 14:06 UTC
#12
sigh
You have made me sad…
(Yeah, one day we'll get interesting and entertaining emoticons. One day…)
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Ronway
2012-09-10 05:51 UTC
#13
The Prime Wardens were formed to take on the evil Akash'Bhuta. I hear they only have to band together a week out of every month though, since that is when her rampaging really shows.
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EvanDan55
2012-09-10 13:53 UTC
#14
Yeah, women jokes!
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McBehrer
2012-11-20 22:05 UTC
#15
That red and gold guy? It's the Scholar.
maybe. probably.
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Christopher
2012-11-20 22:40 UTC
#16
Definitely not.
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EvanDan55
2012-11-21 02:29 UTC
#17
Yeah, there's a noticeable age difference between the two of them. At first, I thought that theory held some ground, but I don't think alchemy extends to making yourself younger.
Mr. Red & Gold will just remain out of reach for now.
Hell, maybe he's gonna be in Vengeance. I guess we'll see. You can't keep him from us forever!
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McBehrer
2012-11-21 05:19 UTC
#18
Aww... welp. At least we got it answered.
Also, I didn't have the card in front of me to look at it.
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Nielzabub
2012-11-30 12:40 UTC
#19
My group played a game once with the known members of the Prime Wardens, and they were a pretty solid team. Can't wait until the final team member is revealed.
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Reckless
2012-11-30 20:05 UTC
#20
That was a fun game! The Argent Adept was a conductor of fists, fire, and fury that match!
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lynkfox
2012-12-01 07:27 UTC
#21
Btw...
Threads like this, pointing out the 5th member of the Prime Wardens? This is why I have made the wiki.
http://sotm.wikidot.com/group:prime-wardens
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Reckless
2012-12-01 19:28 UTC
#22
You should probably also mention the mystery of the silvery, shadowy figure on Silver Shadow. My personal theory is that it is the secret sixth member of The Prime Wardens: The Operative in a Wraith costume!
It most certainly isn't the Silver Shadow in the title of the card.
Also I'm lying.
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EvanDan55
2012-12-02 06:07 UTC
#23
Someone take a close look at the Realm of Discord's art on the back of the deck. There's a guy holding up his hand that's casting light from it. Could that also be Prime Warden #5?
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Ironic
2013-01-09 22:26 UTC
#24
What fascinates me about the Prime Wardens is that they appear to be a magic-themed super team who know nothing about magic.
Argent Adept founded them, and his main hookis that he hasn't inherited all the lore he was meant to.
Fanatic is even worse off than Adept, since she doesn't know what she is and all.
Haka is a magical being, and I recently found out that he's a lot more together than the angry ghost I'd always assumed him to be, but I know of no evidence that he really understands magic, either.
Tempest doesn't even have that. He's an alien diplomat with mutation-based powers, who appears to be on the team strictly because he is totally awesome.
The heroes who do appear to know more are NightMist (freelancer who works with the Freedom Five), Ra (lone wanderer), and The Scholar (lonelier wanderer). So, unless red-and-gold-person fills this hole, we're left with a team of badasses who hunt threats they barely understand. That's a very novelidea, but I really feel bad for those guys.
Also, "Red-and-gold-person is far too cumbersome a nickname. The Enigma? Captain Gryffindor? The Auspicious Avenger? Daybreak? Portal Person? Anything, so long as we can be catchier in our ignorance.
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pcgamerpirate
2013-01-09 23:41 UTC
#25
His name is Prime Warden #5.
His nicknames include Fives, Fiver, and Lincoln.
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lynkfox
2013-01-10 00:25 UTC
#26
i considered the Prime Wardens more to be 'Natural Theme' heroes - not natural like the wraith is a natural power hero, but have to do with nature
Argent is the foil and counter of Akash'bhuta the Chaos of Mother Earth
Tempest Controls the Weather
Haka is the Aborigine warrior of the New Zealand Outback
Fanatic is the natural order of God and Heaven (... okay kind of a stretch there)
Who knows what Fiver is yet.
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Ironic
2013-01-10 02:34 UTC
#27
New Zealand is awfully small to have its own "outback," but I see your point. And one hero not fitting the theme is no worse than my "magic heroes" assumption, which failed to include Tempest. If nothing else, the Prime Wardens were formed to counter Akash'Bhuta (never suspecting that the dread Chaos Mother is no tougher than a giant rat), so them having members such as Tempest chosen to counter her powers makes sense.
By that token, Five Warden should be in response to some aspect of Akash'Bhuta the others don't handle. Let's see... Argent Adept is an all-around threat to her, Haka would counter Earth (Ground Pound and the like), Fanatic is Air superiority, Tempest controls water, so Fiver seems like they should handle the fire side of things, fitting with the color scheme. That might be too Ra-esque, though. With portals in the mix as well, however, one might suppose a demonic theme (though Fanatic would probably object).
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Ronway
2013-01-10 04:03 UTC
#28
Interestingly, Ironic did have it right about the Prime Wardens forming to counter Akash'Bhuta, I can't remember where Christopher had said it but he did explain they formed for the purpose of defeating her. Now everything else regarding it I am not positive about, maybe someday it'll be revealed?
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Nielzabub
2013-01-10 04:16 UTC
#29
Now all we need is the crossover between the Freedom Five and the Prime Wardens versus every big name Sentinels villain.
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boxwood
2013-01-10 05:29 UTC
#30
That could be fun, but to see an arc with both teams unwittingly pitted against each other would be would be more fun, to me at least.
Some days I really hate that this isn't a for real series of comics.
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EvanDan55
2013-01-10 05:40 UTC
#31
I have a small inkling to think that PW#5 will have something to do with matter, since the form around his hand seems to look like an atom. Though maybe this won't be the case since The Scholar has a matter-realignment theme going on.
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Nielzabub
2013-01-10 05:56 UTC
#32
You'd have to be careful with that. Every hero in both lineups has some fan favorites, so a battle between them would have to be carefully orchestrated so that not too many fans feel cheated. Fights brought through misunderstandings is a common occurence in comics, though, and it would be interested to see how these characters would fight each other and then work together at the end when the misunderstanding is reconciled.
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Ironic
2013-01-10 15:15 UTC
#33
I think that would be easy enough to do, once you find a way to take Legacy and Haka off the table. Those two are not only two of the nicest guys around, they're also both tough enough to attempt a parley in the middle of a pitched battle, knowing they can survive any fallout. But with them gone, it's totally plausible that military man (and second-in-command of the Freedom Five) Bunker and inexperienced young Argent Adept could be maneuvered into rash battle. But who could do such a thing?
The classic culprit in a teamup story would be both of their villains at once, which in this case means a Blade/Bhuta alliance. That seems to present a problem, in that Akash'Bhuta is too busy being incomprehensible and being on top of the alphabetization pecking order to ally with mere mortals; however, Baron Blade trying to syphon off the Chaos Mother's power is a whole different story. I really like this idea - inspired by the Mad Bomber, I've tried my hand at a few variant cards for Blade representing different schemes, but they tend to run into the problem that, whatever his abilities, his cards just aren't that impressive (though, to be fair, I'm only assuming that Bhuta's are better, since I haven't managed to track down Infernal Relics yet).
Mmm. Some preliminary battle against another villain, providing the distraction to remove Legacy or Haka, then a team-versus team showdown followed by a final battle with a custom Baron Blade using Akash'Bhuta's deck... that would be a pretty great series of games. Once I do get Relics, I need to get on variant rules for this.
Probably in a new thread, rather than derailing this one further, though. For shame, me.
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arenson9
2013-01-10 16:18 UTC
#34
If we're comparing to the Australian Outback, then I'll grudgingly agree.
Otherwise, I can assure you that New Zealand is plenty big enough to have an outback. For some pretty evidence, check out the Lord of the Rings movies.
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Ironic
2013-01-10 23:28 UTC
#35
Fair enough. When I was backpacking in Australia and New Zealand, they just called the (expansive, amazing) wild country "the bush," while "the Outback" specifically referred to Australia's substantial desert, which may the one terrain feature other than glaciers which New Zealand lacks. However, in the more general sense of "untamed land," NZ has plenty.
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arenson9
2013-01-11 02:41 UTC
#36
You're not saying that New Zealand has no glaciers are you? It definitely does.
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LCinn
2013-01-11 08:34 UTC
#37
Haha, this would be an amazing scene. I can totally imagine Legacy and Haka wrestling and making pleasant conversation at the same time, while the others are fighting around them. And then they stand up straight, dust themselves off, and tell everyone playtime is over
I know of a certain promo villain that seems to fit this profile
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Ironic
2013-01-11 22:31 UTC
#38
Right you are, though that was what I was (incorrectly) saying. I'd like to type "serves me right for never making it to the South Island," but apparently there were some on the North Island, too! Crazy. Even more embarrasing, there's a desert, too, and one I came pretty close to. The moral of the story is: New Zealand has every terrain type. Doubt its splendor at your peril.
LCinn, that does indeed sound like a great scene. Lots of fun, and good for a short skirmish (I'm getting shades of the first meeting/battle between the Avengers and the X-Men which basically just ended when Thor said "they seem like stand-up dudes, let's go home," but obviously with a less one-sided battle proceeding that moment), though less of a dramatic altercation than the one I was pulling for by eliminating the Nice Invulnerable Guys.
And, you're right, Ambuscade would be perfect for the job of getting Haka and Legacy out of play. When I get him, I think my first game against the guy should be a two-player team of Haka and Legacy, for this reason.
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flamethrower49
2013-01-12 01:19 UTC
#39
I believe he's talking about Miss Information - dividing heroes and pitting them against each other is kinda her MO.
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lynkfox
2013-01-12 15:50 UTC
#40
Bush. Thats the word i shoulda used not outback. Couldnt recall what my Kiwi friend called it