Sentinels RPG: The Lighter and Softer Timeline? (Spoilers for the Starter Kit and Letters Page)

So while Tactics seems to be the place where all the horrible, awful stuff happens, the RPG seems a lot nicer on the whole (though not too nice, or else what would you do for campaigns?)

Here's some of what's been gleaned from the Letters Page and the Starter Kit:

One theme is the existing heroes stepping back to be mentors and guides for potential new PCs.

• The Freedom Five are now the Sentinels of Freedom, specifically stepping back from adventuring as much to train up new heroes instead. Legacy has given the title of Legacy to Felicia and taken up the name Heritage instead. Absolute Zero spends his time trying to teach new heroes what it actually means to be heroes in the ethical and philosophical sense. Tachyon is spending her time more with administation and of course teaching science. Chrono-Ranger sometimes hangs up with them and provides weapons training, along with Bunker doing combat training.
• Argent Adept is busy being a musical caretaker to Akash of the Many Names who is (at least for now) a benign, massive tree that's been both recovering and becoming one with Megalopolis. He's been learning about the Virtuosos from her and from any new instruments he finds, in the hopes of finding new Virtuosos to teach and learning how to teach them.
• Naturalist, meanwhile, is walking the Earth as a sort of shamanistic figure who can give advice about the natural world as he looks after it for Akash's sake while she recovers.

• [s]The Prime Wardens are still a thing, though we don't know for sure what their current goals are, and there are personnel shifts. We have it confirmed that Visionary and a reincarnation of Anubis have joined the team. And it's possible that Argent isn't on the team .[/s]
• The Prime Wardens nowadays consist of Argent Adept, Anubis, Fanatic, Visionary, and Arataki (the alt universe version of Haka).
• "Our" Haka, meanwhile, is over in the Tactics universe.
• The Dark Watch are sort of split in their new thing as Rook City's Neighborhood Watch. Expat and Setback are working as the "field operatives" of the team, while Harpy does reconnaissance . Fixer, on the other hand, has gone back more to his old sensei and dojo days.
• KNYFE, Deadline, and the Void Guard are all off in space having space adventures.
• Captain Cosmic is also out in space, though he is not so much "having an adventure" as he is "injured and lost".
• There's a new group called Daybreak, which so far has Felicia as Legacy and this universe's Vanessa Long as Muse, as its members.
• Unity and Benchmark are part of a new group called the Paradigms, under the employ of RevoCorp who is now much less shady.
• Tempest is heading up a new group called G.L.O.B.A.L. that's been formed by the UN to serve as a galactic peacekeeping force.
• Omnitron-U is still around being a hero.

• Baron Blade has gotten far more serious about his villany and is a presence in a lot of villanous goings-on.
• The Ennead seem gone for now, while instead Ammit is busy doing... something... probably not good... with her new stewardship of the gates to the Underworld. Apparently she's the source of a lot of villanous types in this timeline.
• Chokepoint is out in space gathering power again and battling against the Void Guard and winning.
• Plague Rat is less of a threat to the populace and may even be regaining some of his humanity.
• Glamour reforms the Slaughterhouse Six, apparently kicking out Ambuscade and recruiting Kismet.
• Gloomweaver is exorcised from Dr. Medico and is out and about again.
• Various Citizens are still around, though no longer Citizens of the Sun proper.
• Biomancer is up to far more active shenangians now that the Scholar is out of the picture and no longer a threat.
• Proletariat is just basically chilling in the Siberian wilderness no longer particularly being a villain or a hero.
• Ambuscade is actually doing good now, as both a private investigator and as the "Night Hunter".

So, matters of curiosity:

What do you think the fates of upcoming heroes and villains will be?

Who do you think are the other members of the Prime Wardens, Daybreak, G.L.O.B.A.L., and the Paradigms?

How do you think various individual plotlines are going to shake out?

What sorts of heroes and villains are you looking forward to playing?

Where do you want to take the timeline in your games?

I think most of the other members of Daybreak will be characters we haven't seen before.  The SotM heroes skew old, and Daybreak will be younger ones.  Felicia and Vanessa are some of the few young characters we know of.  The Idealist is otherwise occupied and Unity is spoken for.  Thiago... well, he doesn't seem to become Ra in this game, although he could become a different hero (like Wraith, perhaps).  Ivana Ramonat is a strong possibility, actually.  I'll also bet there will be at least one nonhuman, and given that the Maerynian Refuge is given a starring role in OblivAeon, I'd guess a Maerynian.

Plotlines, I'm not even going to guess.

I'm looking forward to taking on minor villains as full-fledged threats, of course, and seeing what monsters Ammit has on tap.  But I love playing all kinds of characters, the more interesting the mechanics the better.  I want to see how they adapt my favorite card game characters, but I probably wouldn't play young "clones" of them.

As for my games... honestly I'm not at all sure I'd have it take place in the canon universe, or even the multiverse.  Even though I have an encyclopedic memory for all this stuff, there's a lot of it and it's complicated.  Creating an entirely new setting is both more fun and less constraining when the players have varying amounts of knowledge of the default setting.  There's a reason why D&D 5th edition abandoned Greyhawk and the Forgotten Realms, with their extremely rich backgrounds, in favor of a generic example setting.  Plus I always feel weird telling stories about an existing setting.  It gives me impostor syndrome taking Christopher and Adam's story in a new direction, and it's awkward when they later come out with products that my stories would contradict.

That's assuming I'd GM of course (I usually do).  But if someone else was GM, I'd trust them to tell whatever story they want to tell.

One thing I heard in the RPG demo is that Argent was looking for the other Prime Wardens after the "loss" of Haka. I don't know if this implies death or what, but something happens to him during the Oblivaeon event that does not happen in the Tactics timeline.

I think Highbrow is going to be more of thing too. I remember Christoher and Adam saying that the reason she isn't a major threat in the card game is that she is very new to the stage. The RPG seems like a perfect place for her to show up and start developing some great schemes.

One thing I'm wondering about for games I might run in this system is... hmm, how to phrase it. How far away from the characters could I make the game, essentially.

I'm very nervous and uncomfortable about making someone else's creations major NPCs in my games. I never feel like I can capture the true essence of that character and prefer to just make my own character who I understand much better. So, when thinking on running a campaign, I've been considering the possibility of a branch office. Not in Megalopolis or Rook City, just somewhere where the main traffic of the Universe doesn't often go, a space where I can make heroes and villains and then have the main characters presence be very minor. Maybe the team has a liason with the Sentinels who talks with Wraith or Parse every week to report on how things have been going, something like that where I can place them more in the background.

If I ever got the chance to play (I seriously doubt it would ever happen except at some sort of special convention event, which isn't a bad idea by the way GtG, holding a RPG grouping where people can bring their own characters to play) I'd go with a magic using character. Someone along the lines of Dresden or who has been somewhat altered and corrupted by an ancient source of power. Magic is simply too cool, but I'm curious about what the character creation section will inspire in me, since I often get hit by inspiration as I'm reading such things.

Curious - did you see the couple of posts I had (mostly in Reddit, I think) where I was working my way through developing ideas for Lacuna? I think you'd get a kick out of her.

I haven't seen anything on Reddit. Mind linking?

Not at all... and in looking, I realize that what I put into the Sentinels subreddit was taking her and working toward a hero deck. That said.... A lot of what you might want to know is in this thread at r/fantasy. It's kind of narrativist focused.

The custom hero deck (which I haven't had the chance to try to format & interate on) is here. 

The basic schtick - she's a libriomancer, able to conjure objects out of books through reading and imagination. Her particular wheelhouse is sci-fi/fantasy. There was an unoffical playtest SotM game that ran on Discord through a hack/reverse engineering of what was publicly available of the rules last year, and I think that if any of the players from that game were around, they might back my my assertion that she was a lot of fun to be around (she was a lot of fun to play). 

I'll share more about some of her powers as designed if people really want me to, but it feels off-topic for this thread.

I'm starting to feel like Christopher and Adam accidentally created a rich setting full of story hooks and NPCs designed to facilitate hero backstories... that everyone is too terrified to actually RP in.

Hey, every game is canon, right?

Is Ivana even in existence in this timeline?

Quick! To the Letters Page!

Somewhat, yeah. But also, I'm actually a bit interested in running with Revenant being a villains arms-dealer.

I think it depends on the character. Right now I have no problem with masterminds like Revenant or Highbrow being in the backgrounds of my games, their influence in schemes would be well suited to be far reaching, but my players would never fight Dawn or Baron Blade.

Blade tech? Totally cool with. A brand new Blade Lieutenant whose doing stuff for Blade? I could see maybe trying it once. Taking the fight to Blade? Never. I just couldn't do it.

And the Akash'Flora tree and how it ends up working with MEgalopolis (I finally saw art for it at Gencon, but it isn't nearly as big as I imagined. It it still ridiculous and mind-bendingly big, but more like a big cliff or hill in the middle of a city than a tree whose boughs shade the entirety of the biggest city on earth) Man, I really want to use that setting. It'd be such a cool place to work with with a ton of interesting options. But, I'd need to remove the Sentinels of Freedom and probably a lot of other things from the setting to truly do what I would want to do with it.

Also, zero problems creating a character for someone else's game. I will play a character who interacts with all these big names at the drop of a hat. I just don't want to be the guy trying to run the major NPCs of such a complex and well-thought out world. I'd never do it the justice it deserves, even if I'm the only one who would think that by the end.

Just finished reading through. Some cool ideas there, but I'm defintely going for the more Harry Dresden style mage. Hit things decently hard, but always have defenses and back-up plans for when things inevitably go wrong.

And if you're still looking for books that might work, I can comb through some things I've got, I'm a big fantasy nerd myself and it looks like our actual reading hasn't overlapped too much.

Also, how did she end up playing in practice? I'd be curious about your expierence with the system if you want to talk about it over in the RPG section. With obvious understanding that playtesters are limited in what they can say.

I will say that as a GTG playtester we have seen practically nothing.

Her very brief bio mentions, " When NightMist became a gate between realities, Luminary was one of the heroes to answer the call and join the fight against OblivAeon!"  So she did come to the core timeline, and we have no idea what happened to the "Be the Gate" heroes after OblivAeon was defeated.  So it's not impossible.

Took me forever to figure out who Ivana Ramonat was.

I don't think she'd join Daybreak. First of all, she wouldn't give up the fight in her own reality if she had a choice.

Secondly, and more importantly, everything we know about Daybreak points to it being a team of young heroes and up and coming heroes. Pauline and Muse are both much younger than a lot of the other heroes. As the "Team Leader" PAuline is likely the most expeirenced and the oldest, in addition to her being Legacy and all that brings to the table. Even the team name, Daybreak, all points to new heroes, the next generation to rise up and defend the world.

Ivana is awesome, but she's spent years battling "Legacy of Destruction" , she's simply too expeirenced to put on a team of new heroes. I think Pauline is being placed to not only teach the new heroes the ropes, but also to practice being a leader. Having someone so much more expeirenced than her as a subordinate undermines that.

Finally, GtG did say we were mostly getting new characters. While Muse is different enough from Dreamer, I'm feeling kind of confident she's the only other recognizable character we have a history with who is going to show up.

Some of my money is going on the energy being that Lifeline created, it is likely to be a monster of horrendous proportions, but if it isn't it makes for a fine canidate to join the team.

Well, Ivana is also a young hero.  She seems to be about Felicia's age, and I'm guessing that's intentional.  Ivana probably doesn't have any experience as a leader, though, plus she's from another reality, so her deferring to Felicia as leader makes sense.  We also don't know how much experience she actually has–she may be the successor to her reality's "Baron Blade" as the heroic nemesis of Legacy of Destruction.  As for returning to her reality, we don't know if she had a choice in the matter.  She might be stuck in the main one, either as a result of OblivAeon permanently shutting off inter-universe travel, or possibly even her reality being completely destroyed (which seems to have happened to the Iron Legacy universe).

Plus, an edgy young team needs some sources of tension and conflict.  Felicia and Ivana would agree to work together since they know in their heads that they're both heroes, but on a subconscious level they'd be uncomfortable with someone who shares a name and bloodline with their nemesis.

I agree that Lifeline's energy being is a strong candidate, though.  It's clearly either an important villain or a hero, and OblivAeon energy becoming a hero also checks that tension/conflict box nicely.

Start a thread, I'll post over there later tonight (shortly need to pick up & have dinner with my kids). What I can say is that, aside from the electronic dice hating me, she was hella fun to play. I'll go throw something into the Discord channel that was used and try to see if some of the others from the game want to give a different player's perspective.

> We also don't know how much experience she actually has--she may be the successor to her reality's "Baron Blade" as the heroic nemesis of Legacy of Destruction.

This seems unlikely.  The hair might be inherited, and the outfit a copy, but Ivana also shares Ivan's scar.

Between the comic book trends of sexualizing women and being fuzzy on ages in general, I'm not nearly as convinced as you are that Ivana is closer to Felicity in age then Paul.  Even if she is younger, that can easily be explained as a timeline that is a decade or two behind the main one.

Oh, that last is a good point.  They did make a point of alternate realities being askew from each other in time.  She could be that universe's version of Baron Blade and still be Felicia's age.  The bio does explicitly says she's "young."

I missed her being called out as young in her bio.

Double-checking the card art makes it a flip. Her incap the angle and lighting make it easier to believe she's in her thirties, while her front side she could be as young as 18 or 20.

I'll concede the possbility, but I'm not convinced just yet. I like it, don't get me wrong, that would be super cool, I'm just not convinced yet.

And @jffdougan,  here is the link to the thread you requested  https://greaterthangames.com/forum/topic/sharing-expeirences-10672

I remember too being bewildered that Ivana was young and not Baron Blade's age. She has a grey streak in her hair and that sort of thing is often the most nod that women in comics get to their age unless they're really old.

And really SotM characters are mostly drawn young in general. I think Legacy and Tachyon are supposed to both be in their mid 40s, for instance, but neither of them really look it.

The context of the word "young" in her bio is also ambiguous. Remember Baron Blade got his own start as a villain as a kid, basically. He too was young when he first became the leader of Mordengrad. Is the word "young" referring to her now or when she started being a hero?

I double checked Legacy's wiki page, he's specifically called out as 47, which puts him in his fifties by the RPG.

Still younger than I thought, I thought he was born during WWII, which in my mind made him closer to his sixties in the card game. And also it lloks like Blade is actually 2 years older than Legacy, which I find oddly interesting.

Tachyone is listed as 38, which actually is about where I was putting her. Maybe a little older, but none of my guesses were based off the art.

Ironically if we go by art, I actually think Ivana looks older than Tachyon except for Tachyon's F6 variant.

I admit I mostly just kinda group the heroes into three general categories:

The Team Moms and Dads: Legacy, Tachyon, AZ, Scholar, Fixer, Haka, La Comodora, 3/4 of the Sentinels

The Kids: Unity, Idealist, Young Legacy, Visionary, Muse, Harpy, possibly Anubis (I got the impression Marty was Blake's "kid sidekick", and being young would make him parallel to Thiago being Ra in Tactics), also possibly Benchmark (him dating Unity and being presented as a naive hero in general suggests he's placed as being her peer).

The Adults: Everyone else.

There's obviously age differences within these categories (Scholar and Haka are both really, really old and Fixer and La Comodora normal-person old while the others are more just closer to middle aged, Bunker is older than Wraith and I feel like Cosmic is probably older than Argent and Fanatic, etc.), but they don't seem to often materially affect how the heroes relate to each other within each category, versus differences in roles between age categories being more apparent.

Us play testers got an alpha character creation guide that was 1/4 done,  had all the things you can guess from the podcast and the images already available and answered a hand full of questions before basically ending the same month. I am sad that they did not add us to the play testing but that was not in GTG hand.

None the less I played with what I got and I am having fun. Currently running a game that everyone is enjoying. I wonder how much changes I have to make when the real game come out or if I am keeping what I have.

None the less I still want to run a real game in this system. I will sit here and wait. 

If people want concrete info, WalkingTarget has been posting Legacy stuff over on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/sentinelsmultiverse/comments/6vyczh/legacy_character_sheet_from_sentinel_comics_rpg/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=sentinelsmultiverse

And an interview with Christopher on YouTube has info on Wraith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpKrS4FlMiI

Back in lore sense, Chaosmancer mentioned on another thread the idea of Citizen Spring becoming a hero, which I rather liked and opined she might make sense as part of Daybreak since she seems to be one of the younger Citizens.

What do you think the fate of the various former Citizens of the Sun will be?

Citizen spring looks cheerful and nice, I can't think of any other citizens that look like they aren't drinking the cool-aid. Then again Dawn wouldn't bring them into battle if they weren't fully behind her.

Actually that would be an AWESOME campaign to put into the RPG or a later expansion. A 6 part adventure that entails Following Expatriette & Setback into the Citidel of the Sun to get Spring out before the other citizens realized she's turned over a new leaf(heh). It could even be somewhat covert. With all the new hero faces in the RPG the new heroes could pose as people interested in becoming citizens; with Expatriette & Setback waiting in the wings for extraction for If/When everything goes sideways on the intrepid young Heroes...... Aww crap. Now i've got another side project.

As for the fate of other citizens I kinda imagined a Fight going on between Hammer/Anvil and Hack/Slash for who is Dawn's right hand team. Honestly, i think i get that impression because Slash looks pretty ambitions and the whole, "My hands hurt so i'm going to punch brick walls" doesn't exactly inspire faith in their self preservation instincts.

We know a bit of the citizen's background from the Letter's page.

Spring is fully stockholmed into this whole situation. She is abused and derided by her fellow citizens, but she fully believes this is the only place for her. I imagine they've got her believing that if she ever left the citizens not only would they kill her, but with her powers she can't defend herself and the outside world will hurt and kill her because they hate people with powers.

I'd love for the heroes to convince her the world isn't so bad and break her conditioning, becuase I love good redemption stories. However, it's going to be rough to convince her to leave her abusers, because she fully believes they have her best interests at heart.

About Hammer and Anvil vs Hack and Slash, from the way Christopher and Adam talk about Hammer and Anvil there is no chance of them being uprooted from their position. Not only are they probably way more powerful, but they are signifigantly more loyal, and Dawn makes the calls. She can't trust HAck and Slash to remain loyal no matter what, but she could tell Hammer and Anvil to go on a suicide mission and they would gladly go out in a blaze of glory.

But I do like the idea of infiltrating the Citizens of the Sun, working to learn a plot or get someone out of the cult and away from Dawn. That'd be an awesome adventure. I don't think they are on Insula Primalis anymore though. Wasn't that base trashed beyond repair?

They were hanging out on an MDP at some point.  Don't know if they still are.

Maybe I just don't have enough respect for Christopher and Adam's work, or maybe I'm just too excited for it all but as of right now, I am completely fine with creating a character who is a part of the grand scheme of the Multiverse events, and interacting heavily with the heroes. Anyone with me?

I get the impression it's more like intimidation/fear. I mean Christopher is at least 100 times more creative/competent a writer than my own paltry attempts over my lifetime, that's for sure.

Either way, probably the same reason for why despite SotM seemingly already being a perfect breeding ground for fanfic and fanart considering the premise is literally "vague sketchy outlines of storylines that don't actually exist in detail", there barely is any, which makes me sad.

(And what little fanart/fic I've stumbled across tends to fall straight into Rule 34 and thus made by the sort of folks least likely to be intimidated out of writing in a universe.)

Chaosmancer: I continue to like the way you think, and I like Ehkrickor's ideas too. Now I want to RP this stuff…

Shoot, I create a character at least once a month that crashes the multiverse.

I think there will be a bit of initial trepidation largely because of the letters page.  Their RPG future section is murdering GMs like flies with the way they close so many stories, possibilities and the certainty with which they define character's personality.

I think the actual RPG books will fix that though, right now they are destroying the fan fiction in our heads from years of imagining their world through just the cards and bios and other snippets.  Once we get a more complete picture we'll be creating our own stories again.

I mean, what if one of Dawn's citizens is a psychic who has spent a decade or more worming into Dawn's mind enough to subtly manipulate her, and wants to take over but needs Hammer and Anvil out of the way?  The heroes choosing to let that chaos create the War for the Sun or to support Dawn and stability in the ranks could be a lot of fun.

Oh i'm pretty sure the H&S v H&A would be about as foregone as the McGreggor v Mayweather boxing match. But it would still entertaining. 

ArcanistLupus is right, they were hanging out on… their? … MDP doing villainous things, but at the end of Dawn's letters page Christopher says that in the RPG timeline Dawn and her citizens are absent, no one is sure where she is. And there is nothing suspicious about that, everything is totally normal, nothing to see here. They said that Dawn wouldn't be in the Core book or the book for the first Villain… lineup? Gallery? Block? … moving on. So we could have a whole bunch of things going on with Dawn playing it safe. She's probably gathering power or followers somewhere, Maybe the FV get a luck break & spot the Seasons somewhere & our intrepid heroes are sent to try & tail them back to Dawn & figure out her plans. Cause nothing could go wrong with that scenario  ¬_¬

That whole thing could lead very nicely into Phantaskippy's War for the Sun idea. The whole being forced to choose between an Evil Megolomaniac we know and a Shadowy Evil Megolomaniac that could be better but probably not sounds like a very comic style storyline. or the 2016 election heh. Sorry too political.  It also sets up other storylines very neatly. You're fighting the citizens and some of them have Tech that amplifies or supports their powers, now we have another mystery where we have to figure out who is selling weapons to villains. 

Although that also makes me wonder what IS going on on Insular Primalis. When the Citidel of the Sun was messed up they pushed the citizens out of there, but that's still a fairly uninhabited Dinosaur covered island. I doubt that it is going to stay entirely uninhabited & if the heroes don't have a presence there right away then the villains probably will set up in the area. Which is bad for the world but good for us, because Dinosaurs are always fun in RPG's. I'm

I've got no problems creating a new character to fight beside Legacy and team up with the Prime Wardens against a new threat to the planet asleep for eons. That sounds like a blast.

It's playing Legacy or playing the Prime Wardens that has me in a knot. It's too easy to make them flat parodies of themselves. And no matter how much lore I digest or how long I talk to Christopher or Adam that barrier is going to remain, because they aren't my characters. I don't have that intimate sense of them, because I have to reach out and explore their idea space instead of reaching in… If I'm still making any sense with how it feels. Which is why I want to seperate my campaign space from the game, at least at first, until I can feel more natural in tying in these characters who aren't mine and never will be mine.

Yes.  This.

I find it funny seeing how how they are turning all the heroes we play as into NPCs.  Can't wait ti drop Legacy voice to my players.  That would be awesome.  Taking him into a fight, not so much.

What will be super fun, and I mean Super Fun! will be throwing in references to memorable battles we have fought in the card game, as history in the RPG.

That is an amazing idea. Gotta remember that one

So per the most recent podcast, Chaosmancer gets a cookie for correct speculation regards what happens to the energy being Deadline created.

Yay a cookie! I've never got one before.

*sets cookie down*

HOLY CRAP AEON-GIRL!!!!

I literally squeed. It would have fit Deadline's pattern of being hated to have unleashed a new evil upon the world, but I was so hoping to see an Uub (DBZ reference, when the evil Majin Buu is destroyed he reincarnates much later as a young boy named Uub who trains under Goku)

And what's fascinating is that she is super malleable it sounds like. I love this, because she's the RPG character, which means that they've incorporated enough ways to be incredibly flexible that she can exist. The RPG game does have a very loose set of rules and mechanics that means anybody can try a lot of various abilities, but she sounds like she's going to push that envelope pretty far and that's some exciting news I think.

Plus the story that follows that, how do you react to a happy go lucky, 1 year old child who is the reincarnation of the being which tried to destroy everything and commit Omnicide? I can totally see more than one group going after her with the express purpose of killing her so that she doesn't grow up to become the threat she was before. Followed closely by those stupid and foolish enough to try and capture her and hold her against her will. And now I want art for her, sooo badly, because she could look amazing if they take some of the same crystal body structure concepts they used for Oblivaeon. Actually... that's something we've never asked. How do Oblivaeon shards interact with Oblivaeon and Aeon-Girl? They are part of them, but they can be turned against them as well. I have so many questions to ask now.

And the confirmation that people were likely stranded in the wrong timeline (and likely Haka is one of them from the hints Christopher and Adam dropped of someone we care about being lost in a different reality when the gates snapped shut) It's now much more likely that Luminary and a bunch of others are hanging out with the heroes.

All the things!

*picks up cookie*

Likely Haka? How do you figure?

Yeah we care about all the heroes so I'm guessing it happens to one of them. I'm not sure its Haka (but as of now he's as good a guess as anyone that has not had a podcast yet)

Well, he's the most likely canidate.

We know from the RPG demos at Gencon that the Prime Wardens split after the "Loss" of Haka. Implying something happened to him that has removed him from the group. He could have walked, it is unlikely that he died due to his powers, but neither of those is very likely and we know someone was lost in a different reality.

We can go through the list of heroes we know, and break down what we know about them in the RPG. (excluding Haka since he is the subject)

Confirmed to Be Dead

Ra

Nightmist

Most likely Dead

Scholar

Confirmed to be Teaching new Heroes

Legacy/Heritage

Tachyon

Wraith

Bunker

Absolute Zero

Visionary

Mr. Fixer

Expatriette

Setback

Harpy/Pinion/ect

Chrono-Ranger/Timeslinger

Confirmed Alive and doing things

Young Legacy/Legacy

Unity

KNYFE/"New Name"

Idealist

MAinstay

Writhe

Dr. Medico

Omnitron-X

Naturalist

Lifeline

Benchmark

Alive but Not doing much

Akash'Flora

Likely Alive and hinted at

Parse

Guise

Stuntman

Captain Cosmic

Tempest

Fanatic

No Confirmation that I can remember

Sky-Scraper

La Comodora

Most of the Prime Wardens are confirmed to still be around, because they broke up due to what happened to Haka, so if one of them died and then something happened to Haka it would not be implied so heavily that Haka is the sole cause of them breaking up

Well, we seem to be in the midst of Prime Wardens Letters Page episodes, so I suspect the answer will be forthcoming!

Just had a thought while posting about Nemesis Icons.

What if La Capitan/La Commodora are immune to time paradoxes? IF they are then what are the chances that The young La Capitan from Villains is the first version, she is taken to LA Commodora, and tasked with helping defend all of time and space during the Oblivaeon crisis. She ends up on the Nexus of the Void island, and during the course of the battles that follow she ends up a void spirit.... actually, woah, back up, reverse things.

I was looking at the back of their cards, because obviously young La Commodora becomes a void spirit, but what if I'm wrong about young La Commodora existing before old La Commodora?

The old version is seen approaching a black spot on her flip side. What is she isn't immune to paradoxes? She tries to convince her younger self to change her ways, but fails and the young La Capitan instead finds an old version of the Paradoja Magnifica and goes off to collect her crew. La Commodora wants to fight Oblivaeon, she knows the end is coming, but she is an old woman, and despite her best efforts she can't do what needs to be done.

So she breaks the rules. Finds that Black Spot, and uses it to reverse her aging, making her a young woman again, more capable of fighitng , but something goes wrong in the proccess. She is cursed, and goes to the Nexus to try and find an answer, or at least she goes to finish the fight before her time truly runs out.

All of this started because I wondered about the possibility of the young Commodora becoming part of Daybreak, but it seems less and less likely the more ways I slice it. And her void form looks pretty malevolent, ahe's more likely to end up as a villain again, despite what she seems to have been trying to accomplish.

ChoasMancer, you are asking all the question I want to ask. And sis for the most part. I am pumped For La Comodora/ Capitan at the end of this month.

I hope Old lady Comodora Lives, But old people in comics do not sell well ( excpet maybe Cable) so I can see her going to the Chopping blocks.

My Head cannon is La Capitan (middle age) made a crew and cause problems to raise the strenght of the heroes and to make sure the Time Lines stay diffent by causing diffent thigs to happen and keeping time apart.

Also How are C&A going to Talk about her? I get the feeling they can not go into detail till the end, then they will have to go back to the start and reexpalin everything. they should just start in the furtre section and go form there. 

That would be awesome if they have to start talking about her in the future so they can properly explain the past. That feels sooo right with an individual who plays jumprope with the timeline.

And it is important to remember, she is the only one other than Chrono-Ranger who can actually travel thru time in the main timeline, that has to be signifigant.

I'm really looking forward to her episode because I'm hoping a lot of things will suddenly make sense... But it is time travel so probably not.

Beside her learning her powers La Capitan Move around time and space at her whim. 

CR is taken to places, Visionary went to one timeline and almost killed herself. Omni_X got a one way ticket to the main timeline, Iron Legacy got Kicked out of his timeline (That got erased, Read Harness Abnormalty.) Hmm does this mean that the Final Wasteland is in the Main Time Line? Or is it an alternate unitverse? I beat you La comodora sent him there. Also Chronoist, What is he about? I have so many questions, so Little time.

I wonder how they are going to Explain things without giving anything away for OblivAeon. They been dancing around that for a long time. 

I am just getting More Hyped about it. Maybe I Should Focus on Idealist question first before going back to La Capitan.

I figured I'd resurrect this thread since we now have more RPG stuff to discuss with the Starter Kit.

So far I've skimmed briefly through everything and only read the first campaign issue. I'll say for the moment until I read more that I feel kinda sad that Captain Cosmic is the one Prime Warden that doesn't return at all, since he was my second-favorite Prime Warden behind Argent Adept. (I also miss Haka, but Arataki is so adorable that I don't feel 100% bummed.)

I’d say I’m also sad a different Prime Warden, Tempest, is no longer part of the team either.  Though considering the new to this universe Haka it makes sense as I imagine that would lead to some long term hostility.   Hopefully we learn more about Citizen Storm in either the Tempest or OblivAeon episode.  

More importantly: Is there also a Citizen Drang?

Slight rant here...

I'm super annoyed about the fact that the new Haka is accepted so easily by the rest of the Prime Wardens. This virtual stranger takes the place of one of the kindest nicest hero's and doesn't even have the decency to change her aka . Would she have moved into our Haka' s grave that fast?

I'd be much happier if new Haka joined G L O B A L instead of Tempest.

Rant over..

Talking about G.L.O.B.A.L. I'd bet Sky scraper or CC will join that team

She is Haka so I don’t see why she would change her name as that’s who she has been known as from her timeline.   While I’m sure they miss the Haka from the SotM timeline I don’t see why they would reject this other Haka.   

Because there isn't the same level of trust for this new Haka that the old one earned. Haka has been missing only a few months at this point , I think he deserves at least a year before he is replaced by his alternate universe sister . New girl needs to prove herself worthy of our Hakas legacy before she takes his place

I don’t quite agree.  You have major threats you need Haka to deal with and this is who you have available.   If anything this reads more similar to a reboot of the Prime Wardens coming together to me since you only have two original members returning.   One of whom disappeared for a while after OblivAeon as well.  

I’d also add that just because they join forces doesn’t mean they get along very well.  Also, with your version of the RPG you have the ability to dictate how you want their story to proceed. 

Let's just agree to disagree on the Haka issue.

I'd agree that this is a reboot of the Prime Wardens and that the team is needed to deal with threats. Being on a team is good for Fanatic , especially being  on a team with Anubis , since they both knew Ra they can mourn him together so I like that aspect of the team

The thing is she is Haka, so that means she is the most caring, nicest, hero as well.   I am sure her charm and good nature does a lot to ease the heroes and make her accepted

Well now we're into nature vs nurture, if Haka grew up in a different situation would (s)he be the same?

I'm going for no. Just because someone has the same "face" doesn't mean they have the same "heart". Hell, look at the Xtreme Wardens.

It's not like she came out of nowhere.

She was there during OblivAeon fighting alongside these same heroes. They've seen her in action and know what she's made of by now.

I find the idea that Arataki is "replacing" Haka to be a POV the characters themselves probably don't share. They would like to form a team and she's the one there willing to help them. She's not explicitly taking his place any more than Anubis is "replacing" Ra, Captain Cosmic, or Tempest.

Especially since the Prime Wardens have always been a bit more of a ragtag team of people with cosmic-level powers who decided pragmatically they'd be more useful working together and later gained interpersonal dynamics, versus the F5 or the Dark Watch who were more explicitly colleagues and friends from the get-go. (Which makes me a little sad that it's taking forever to get through the Prime Warden LP episodes because I have so many questions about team dynamics for the Prime Wardens team episode...)

Likewise I think Tempest is in GLOBAL because they want to go back to doing one of their old jobs.

I gotta agree with Powerhound here, OG Haka is still using his name in the Tactics universe, no one complains about that.

I find Arataki's universe fascinating anyway, now that I've read a bit farther. She founds the Primal Wardens along with the Argent Artist, and fights against the Plague Beast and Ultratron and of course Citizen Storm. A fair number of potentially interesting things to unpack there.

Arataki comes from a cool universe

I love the idea of a magical artist , you could easily see it as an an advancement of  geometric magic.

Plague Beast is somehow scarier than Rat , I imagine a form so mutated it is nothing like any animal that exists.

Citizen Storm is really interesting, did he found the citizens of the Sun or just join and take over? Is Voss a good guy in this universe ? What about Portja , In this universe did she kill and replace Kaagra?

I hope it's, like, total Harold and the Purple Crayon or Scribblenauts type shenanigans. That would be way awesome.

I got the feeling from the description that Tempest founded the Citizens themself in that universe, which still leaves the question of how Dawn factors in if at all.

If Voss is a good guy as well, this kinda veers right into that Grand Warlord Tempest thread about hero/villain reversals we had way back when. I think some people actually did suggest Citizen Storm based on the Quando? Ahora! pic.

Also interesting that it was apparently Arataki that helped Anthony that first time and not Captain Cosmic.

Yea your right, rereading the book it says Citizen Storm built the army, maybe there not even called the Citizens of the Sun in this universe.

I have a feeling that the Primal Wardens were much more of an earth based group ,explains the absence of CC. Ironically our Prime Wardens are becoming that too , with GLOBAL being the space team

Is GLOBAL the Space Team? I thought we just knew of Tempest?

The end of Freedom Five #803 describes GLOBAL as "acting as superheroic ambassadors across the planet and even beyond this solar system".

So it sounds like they'll do some Earth stuff and they'll do some space stuff.

I'm glad this thread got resurrected, because I was planning on making a new thread to post and discuss some of the new things we learn about the Universe.

Like Bunker's Riot Cannon being a finished version of the Prototype Infinity Cannon we see Expat using during the Oblivaeon Fight.

The remaining balance on AZ's suit is forgiven by the Government, freeing him from that debt

Tyler Vance was promoted to the rank of Captain before Oblivaeon, I assume he still is afterwards. Also, it seems he's coming into conflict with the military. Bunker now also has a "Deployment Satelite" for literally beaming down equipment, and magnetic atachments for suit weaponry or upgrade.

Wraith has a favorite knife, I just love that little detail

Legacy was supposedly trapped in the rubble of Freedom Tower for the entire Oblivaeon fight, never directly participating. I feel that is completely wrong though, as we've seen artwork of Paul teaming up with his daughter and father to fight Oblivaeon, so that is an odd detail.

We learn about the Void Heart, which is an interesting bit of lore

We also could see Insula Primalis as the new Nexus of the Void, which is super cool. We also learn the previous Nexus was wiped out.

We learn about the existence of GLOBAL

Miss Information has a new outfit, and a large blue eyeball following her around

Fanatic's new sword looks SICK

Akash'Flora is literally acting as a power grid for Megalopolis and allowing the existence of the Freedom Plaza

Benchmark is heading Revocorp repairs in Rook City during all of this

I also like that Unity was recruited almost specifically to help RevoCorp get past that whole "our entire existence was helping villains" stage of their lives

There are spirits in Insula Primalis, and Blade captures some of them

Blade has been mechanizing himself and his soldiers far more than he used to

In terms of Arataki/Haka... I think we are making some assumptions about how the team is thinking about this. Remember Arataki went to talk to Anthony because her closest (Current) friend in her universe was the Argent Artist. So, here is a hero, powerful in her own right, who used to lead a team very similiar to the Prime Wardens, coming to talk and maybe find some connection in this world. The heroes aren't going to push her away, especially not in the memory of Ata who was far to big hearted to do something like that.

And they never would insist on her changing her name either. Think about it, it'd be like telling the new guy at work that he can't go by the name Steve because your father named Steve just died. He'll probably be sorry for your loss, but your kind of being insentive and unreasonable. She is Haka, that is her name and she has earned it, there is no reason to let grief over their loss cause them to blindly hurt someone who lost far far more than they have. They lost a single friend, she lost everyone. And she's used to loss an dhas had a few months in the jungles to acclimate to the idea, but still, I can't see the team doing that to her.

I could totally see Fanatic going "You're not the real Haka, you fiendish imposter!" because she's in a rough spot at the moment.

But yeah. Everyone else is probably okay with it.

Plus Arataki's just so gosh darn adorable. She's really pretty, she gets all excited about getting to talk to her friend, she chatters on about her adventures in her universe, her picture in the last issue is all "WHOOOOO SMASHING SPIDERBOTS YAYYYYYYY".

Also a convo on Reddit reminded me to note that considering "our" Anthony's fashion sense, I can absolutely imagine the Argent Artist wearing a stereotypical beret and painter's smock, which is honestly the most adorable mental image.

Regards new revelations, I like that AZ has Intuition and Creativity as some of his qualities. Also that they make special note of him and Tachyon being best buds. And that some of Legacy's characterization has a "shaking his cane at the whippersnappers" vibe to it.

Also, some new areas of speculation:

Who do you think is on GLOBAL besides Tempest?

What do you think the bios for the new Prime Wardens will be like? Stuff like personality descriptors, principles, abilities.

I think Sky scraper  is on GLOBAL and perhaps CC as well

Guessing bios for Prime Wardens :

Argent Adept

Background : Unremarkable

Power source : Void

Archetype :?

Personality : Serious

Principles  would be Musican and Leader.

Abilities would be focused on helping allies

Fanatic

Background : Religious

Power source : Divine

Archetype : Physical Powerhouse

Personality : Harsh

Principles would be Martyr and Judge. 

Abilities would be based on hurting self to do more damage

Visionary

Background : Military

Power Source  : Genetic

Archetype : ?

Personality :Decisive

Principles would be Psychic and Future

Abilities would be focused on hindering enemy's stuff

Anubis

Background : Academic

Power Source : Divine

Archetype ?

Personality : Grim

Principles would be Archaeologist and Guardian

Powers maybe based around necromancy

Haka Background : Tribal

Power Source : Unknown

Archetype Physical Powerhouse

Personality Fun loving

Principles would be Teacher and Survivor

Abilities would be Hakas and punching

I left a lot of the Archetypes blank because I can't even guess and Anubis really is too new to say anything about ,but it's a start

On the whole two Hakas thing.  Remember what the old song said,  “If you can’t love the Haka you want,  love the Haka you’re with”

Idle realization that in the card game the Prime Wardens got started to save Argent Adept and help him defeat Akash'Bhuta, while in the RPG the Prime Wardens reform to save Argent Adept and help him protect Akash'Flora.

(Also the team originally had three guys, Tempest, and one girl, and now there's three girls and two guys.)

I like the idea of Cosmic and Sky-Scraper being in GLOBAL (man, I really need to hear more about SKy-Scraper and Tempest and how they get long, since they seem to be thrown together a lot)

Parse could be there too.

Oh duh, Paige Huntley formerly KNYFE is probably on this team. In fact, she may lead the "special missions" team for them if Tempest does not.

Then I hope there is at least one new hero or heroine who is introduced

I was going to post "But Tempest is a guy", then I realized I don't think we have any info that says one way or another.  Or if his species even has the two common earth genders.  

Off to submit a question to the letters page!

We’ve been told on the forums at various times Tempest doesn’t have a gender. As to more as to how their society procreates I’m sure there will be a few questions on that.  

Where is all this info coming from? Can someone link me to it?

RPG Starter Kit for a lot of this.

Might be nice for the mods to put reference to add Spoilers to the thread title. While it's nice to be able to discuss certain things, I'm sure there's people who want to go into the Kit blind, and there's been a lot of spoilers in various threads as soon as the Kit got into peoples' hands.

I'm GMing for my group so I've seen most of this stuff, but I'm pretty sure if I were a player, I'd be bummed to know that a lot of the big plot drops have been revealed before I can experience them myself.

@McBehrer: That depends on what exactly you mean by "this info". Since the stuff in this thread is a mixture of Letters Page stuff, stuff from the Starter Kit, and pure speculation.

@bobbertoriley: I intended this thread as sort of a catch-all for anyone who's familiar with anything regarding the RPG to shoot the breeze with lore discussion, so I tried to make the spoilery-ness clear in my thread. If you want me to add more to the title of this thread just to be sure, I'll take the suggestions, but otherwise it doesn't bother me if anyone wants to create more narrowly defined RPG lore threads too.

The thread title has had Spoilers in it for some time so I’m not sure what more you want done. 

I missed it, then. *shrug*

Yeah, I'm sad that I have to avoid these threads now because of some GLOBAL group with Tempest, and other spoileries. :(. It's alright though, I've got a couple RPGs lined up in a week.

OK, this is getting frustrating now.

1. Why am I the only person who ever gets their stuff constantly singled out like this for no good reason?

2. Since this thread has been marked in the title as having spoilers from the moment I created it. It started out with Letters Page spoilers, and then when the Starter Kit came out I added on that it had spoilers for that since it made sense to keep the thread going.

3. Because I will likely never have any group with which to play the RPG with, I am treating it like more Sentinels lore to experience, so thus I thought it'd be fun to talk about it with anyone else who also chose to read all of it.

4. There is nothing stopping anyone from starting a spoiler-free thread, or a thread about anything they wish that's Sentinels related, so there's no need to come complain in or derail this one.

[grumble]

TL;DR: Yes, a thread expressedly created for and marked to have spoilers in it, turns out to have people discussing spoilers in it. Why is this a surprise or an issue?

Like I said before, I didn't read the title and assumed wrongly. That's on me. Sorry about that. 

My concern came from a combination that it's only been two weeks since the kit has started shipping en masse, and there's been discussion of items not being readily available. Meanwhile, some discussions are dropping contents from the modules like it's common knowledge/widely available (and it's not just you; the RPG section is full of it), and in some cases not mentioning that there's spoilers. Followed with someone literally asking, "Where is all of this stuff coming from?", and my response ensued.

Not directed at you, and misfired a little bit, but that's why I commented what I did.

If you want to discuss further, I'll gladly take it to PM. :)  

I just got a little frustrated at Lord Flash Fire then chiming in like, "I have to avoid a thread marked full of spoilers". Well... yes. If you want to avoid spoilers, you have to indeed avoid the thread I marked as warning that it has spoilers expressly because I want to discuss spoilers with people. :P And ironically I still have no idea what specific bit McBehrer was asking after.

Doubly ironically the reason I started this thread in the first place, along with the matching Tactics one, was to give people listening to the Letters Page a way to discuss spoilers freely rather than in the main episode threads because people were complaining about people being free with spoilers in those episode threads.

It would produce much better results to directly PM mods to ask them to put in a spoiler policy, to ask the authors of other threads to mark their own threads, and/or to start your own "players only" discussion thread.

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Moving on to other spoilery things, after the recent Letters Page, I was sad to find out that apparently for once the RPG is not the lighter and softer timeline.

I'm starting to side-eye Argent and Tempest a little bit. I figured it probably just seemed obvious to people that Haka got trapped inaccessibly outside the universe and and so there was little point in trying to look for him, but the two never wondered what happened to poor Hugh? (Fanatic is clearly too wrapped up in her own grief to care about much of anything else, so she's not a surprise.)

Maybe Captain Cosmic told them his plan and thought he wouldn’t make it back is my guess. 

I'll join you in that side-eyeing.AA and Tempest don't even look for Fanatic, who's on the same planet as them. AA starts cross classing as a druid and Tempest is all "I'll form my own team with blackjack and hookers".Both of them are too quick to move on with their lives

Final tangent: With regards to spoilers, I wish the forum had a way to unsub from threads/auto-"mark as read" so that you don't get notified when new posts happen in them. There are places that, while I know other people appreciate them and wouldn't say don't belong here, I personally know I'll never really need/want to look at (Sentinels Day London and some of the off-topic stuff, as an example of my case). That also be the perfect way for someone to say, "Oh, hey, this thread is marked for spoilers. Not for me." and be able to ignore it going forward.

But given the backlog of things for the website, it'd be a while to see something like that. 

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Back on topic. Yeah...poor Hugh. :(

@padcurtin: Considering how she's characterized as behaving in the Starter Kit, I get the feeling that they probably already approached Fanatic at some point and got told the Fanatic version of "eff off". And Argent strikes me as being polite and professional but otherwise not great at connecting with people on a personal level, and Tempest still hasn't figured out humans period, so I'm not surprised that neither of them would push the matter.

But not wondering what happened to Hugh seems way more glaring since it seems more within their purview.

That's possible but I get the feeling that the Justice Comics where we see Fanatic is the first time she's appearing after the Oblivaeon event.The first Freedom Five book describes her as missing. But such a conversation could have happened right after the Oblivaeon event when it was just the three of them. 

It's Tempest I blame more than AA , he can't leave the tree right now but Tempest has access to space travel, it should have looked for CC especially as he fought Thorathians too

Yeah Jeysie, that's on me, I'm sorry if I sounded ungrateful. I really need to read post titles, because I wasn't paying attention, and that's why I missed the SK Spoilers tag. My apologies.

@Lord Flash Fire: Apology accepted.

I tried to make the spoilers part more noticeable in the thread title anyway, plus updated the initial summary post since it was a bit outdated.

To be fair to Tempest, they were there when Captain Cosmic flew up into space with Empyreon, who visibly turned into a singularity not long afterwards. They had every reason to think Hugh was dead.

I'd add to this that some of the things going on might be preventing them from leaving the planet.

Argent Adpet is studying and protecting the Akash'Flora tree. Let's remember not only is Akash a hero who sacrificed herself by this point, but this tree in the middle of the city is all that remains of not only her, but the Void on Earth. The Nexus was destroyed, and Argent may be thinking that her connection to the void and to the planet means that this tree is vitally important.

And Tempest, well GLOBAL is something really intriguing here. GLOBAL is a United Nations effort, and we know Oblivaeon also targeted the Maeryinian refuge. I don't think Tempest is actually the leader of his people, but he is their public face. He's the one who has interacted the most with humans and various governments about earth. This is a political minefield potentially, and I get the feeling GLOBAL came to him. They offered the only highly public Maeryinian most people would be aware of a position on a UN team meant to deal with International and Galactic issues, including diplomacy. With the Maeryinian's being very isolated and distrusting already, Tempest declining that offer could have isolated his people even more from the global community at a time when they like everyone else is reeling from Oblivaeon and what it all meant.

This is all a lot of speculation, but it makes since why these two would probably take a step back and think "Void Guard and some others are heading into space to deal with a lot of stuff that Cosmic is likely to get involved in. If he's alive (which he probably isn't though I hope he is) they'll probably find him, but no one else can handle this issue here on earth. I've got to stay here and do what I can, and hope for the best."

Heh, honestly I just can't wait for the Prime Wardens episode since I'm incredibly curious about their team dynamics. The F5 and Dark Watch both feel like best friend/surrogate family teams, but the PWs seem like basically acquaintances who just get together every once in a while to do stuff that sort of coincides.

Probably doesn't help that Haka and Cosmic are the only ones who seem to have any real people skills (in relation to other humans, that is).

grrrr Prime Wardens When!?!?

Seriously I also can't wait for the PW episode. They've covered 3 of my 4 favorites, i figured most of my favorites would be early since Fanatic, Haka & Tempest were in the core set but here i am with no Tempest episode yet T.T Oh well, hopefully that means there are some big story reveals, other than another cool new Tempest costume that i don't have the body or aqua colored latex to cosplay...

I don't feel that Dark Watch are best friends/surrogate family.  I bet the Prime Wardens are closer then they are, they have Haka.  Haka is the best!

Considering Tempest was a flesh child for a while and they didn’t know makes me feel the Prime Wardens can’t be that close. 

Yeah. Like, three of their members strike me as being loners, for one. Argent because he's laser focused on his duty, Fanatic because she's laser focused on smiting evildoers, and Tempest because they'd rather be helping their own people. And for two, while Cosmic seems to be more gregarious/friendly, he also spends about half his time out in space.

So I do agree that Haka's probably the glue that keeps them together, but it feels like a pretty tenuous glue. Though maybe the team episode will give different insights.

I mean, Fanatic is noted to cool down a bit after joining the team, only for her to get set off again by Ra's death.

Argent Adept never struck me as being so laser-focused that he wasn't available to help people out when they needed it, and his knee-jerk reaction to losing to Akash'Bhuta is "I need friends to help me out with this", so he's never struck me as much of a loner either.

And Tempest's bios always mention him fighting opression in all its forms, not just for the sake of his own people, but for the sake of humanity as well. He tends to hold understandable distrust of certain heroes like Tachyon, who punched him, and the new Haka who tried and maybe succeeded in punching him, but I'd bet he's very trusting towards his allies who he's worked with for so long. As for the Fleshchild thing, the Tempersonation fooled comic readers for a super long time. Its mannerisms were clearly very convincing, or that Biomancer twist wouldn't have been a big deal.

I get the argument that they seem to have a work-only dynamic, but I'm of the opinion that the Prime Wardens are probably all very good friends who know that they can depend on each other when they need to. Also worth mentioning is, whereas Dark Watch goes for the "We're all good at things so let's do those things in the same place and hope it works" approach, the Prime Wardens strike me as a much less dysfunctional, more coordinated team.

@Raccoonoo: Ironically I think you made my point for me. There's a big difference between seeking out other people because you need help to do your job, or conversely because doing your job involves helping other people, and seeking out other people because you actually want to just be around other people.

I think AZ and Tachyon make a good contrasting example. AZ doesn't ask Tachyon to stick around and go on about her science so he can do his job or even because he's a geek himself, but at first because he's lonely and wants someone to talk to and later on because he likes having his friend talk to him.

(On the flipside I'm reminded in RL of my best friend who tended to be a loner on a personal level but liked having an audience to perform to.)

It would be wrong, if that's what it said, but it isn't, so it isn't.   The blurb on Legacy's starter book doesn't say he didn't participate at all, it just says he was incapacitated when Freedom Tower went down.  We don't know, that could easily have been during Oblivaeon's second (third?) form, after his little family team-up face-off.  But even that is assuming the family team-up was an actual event that happened – it may just be one of those "this is a comic cover" images that didn't really happen as shown, but is meant to metaphorically speak to Felicia taking up her father's Legacy after he gets buried under the tower's debris.

Obviously in-universe there's no reason multiple Parsons couldn't be in the same place at the same time, but the RPG blurb is adhering more closely to the game rules, where only one Legacy variant can be in play at any given time.

Aside: I belatedly felt like maybe I should say I don't consider my thoughts about the Prime Wardens folks to be negatives, they just are what they are.

(I had thought maybe this would be known since I feel like I'm only slightly less obvious in my fangirling of Argent and the Wardens in general than Powerhound is about liking Guise, but considering the defensiveness of some folks' responses, maybe it's not clear.)