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Random Lore Questions & Virtuoso Spectulation

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JE
Jeysie
2016-11-14 21:41 UTC
#1

1. Will we ever see any other gender-flipped and/or morality-flipped versions of Sentinels characters? Baron Blade having a good lady twin still entertains me. Though admittedly the whole multiversal crash lessens this possibility somewhat...

2. I know Tempest is a scientist, but what is Tempest a scientist of? What's their field of speciality?

And OK I guess the "random" is a bit misleading and a lot of my questions are about the Virtuosos since they seem to be the one major aspect of the storyline that thus far isn't reasonably fully explained and/or everything suggests that we're waiting on OblivAeon for remaining answers.

3. Are they always guys? All the other known names seem masculine, or at least not obviously feminine.

4. How do they get chosen, anyway?

Subnote: It also seems particularly interesting that the storyline acts like Anthony dying would end the line of Virtuosos, but his predecessor was killed off before Anthony could meet him and Anthony still discovered his destiny anyway. There must be some existential "event flag" factoring in here that the world and/or Anthony hasn't met yet.

5. IIRC we know the instruments don't have any inherent power, so, what are they for? Just to focus/channel magic energy? Or are they more like magic feathers? It's interesting that in Prime War Anthony seems to be using a songbook as one of his options. It's also notable that Anthony can learn from the other instruments even though they're not inherently powerful.

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Powerhound_2000
2016-11-14 21:47 UTC
#2

We've been told Tempest has no gender.  As to the rest of your questions I don't have any answer.  

TS
The_Burning_Stickman
2016-11-14 21:54 UTC
#3

I thought Tempest was an ambassador, not a scientist.

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grysqrl
2016-11-14 22:01 UTC
#4

These are probably great questions for the Letters Page.

JE
Jeysie
2016-11-14 22:26 UTC
#5

@Powerhound_2000: I'm a little confused by your answer... I know Tempest doesn't have any gender and none of my questions ask about that. ^^;

@mwc146: Tempest's bio says they're an ambassador and a scientist... did I misread? ^^;

@grysqrl: Is that still going on? I admit I had thought it was an abandoned project. Admittedly also I was curious if there was already answers to these questions I had simply missed... I know people often talk about Q&As that happened that don't seem to be archived anywhere. But if the questions project is still going on and they haven't been answered yet...

GR
grysqrl
2016-11-14 22:46 UTC
#6

There were some rumblings about a month ago. I don't have any specific information beyond that, but we're all hopeful!

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Powerhound_2000
2016-11-14 23:00 UTC
#7

I skimmed over question two  and it seemed like it went into number three so I thought you were asking about Tempest's gender

JE
Jeysie
2016-11-14 23:02 UTC
#8

Oh! No, I was asking if the Virtuosos of the Void were all guys. Sorry for the confusion!

TS
The_Burning_Stickman
2016-11-14 23:32 UTC
#9

Probably not, more likely I just didn't remember that part.

FO
Foote
2016-11-15 14:20 UTC
#10

And OK I guess the "random" is a bit misleading and a lot of my questions are about the Virtuosos since they seem to be the one major aspect of the storyline that thus far isn't reasonably fully explained and/or everything suggests that we're waiting on OblivAeon for remaining answers.

3. Are they always guys? All the other known names seem masculine, or at least not obviously feminine.

4. How do they get chosen, anyway?

Subnote: It also seems particularly interesting that the storyline acts like Anthony dying would end the line of Virtuosos, but his predecessor was killed off before Anthony could meet him and Anthony still discovered his destiny anyway. There must be some existential "event flag" factoring in here that the world and/or Anthony hasn't met yet.

5. IIRC we know the instruments don't have any inherent power, so, what are they for? Just to focus/channel magic energy? Or are they more like magic feathers? It's interesting that in Prime War Anthony seems to be using a songbook as one of his options. It's also notable that Anthony can learn from the other instruments even though they're not inherently powerful.

I'm no expert and I can be wrong a lot of the time. But I'll try to answer these to the best of my knowledge.

I'll reference the official bio here for...well,reference:

The Virtuosos of the Void always passed on their chosen instruments. The new Virtuoso would learn their fate when handed the instrument, the artifact itself imparting the title and the knowledge that order must be preserved. When a young bartender named Anthony Drake happened across an ancient Chinese bell in a cultural arts museum, he learned more about the ways of the world, as well as his own destiny, than he ever could have imagined.  He was the newest Virtuoso of the Void and should have already been training in the ways of the Void, but Akash’bhuta had disrupted the cycle early.  She, over time, learned to destroy the instruments of the Virtuosos, and she had broken the fiddle of the previous Virtuoso of the Void before it could be passed on to his successor.

Anthony Drake set out, leaving his mundane life behind him.  He sought the remaining instruments of past Virtuosos in order to learn to channel his new-found power. Calling himself The Argent Adept, he fights as an agent of order and restoration against the discord sewn by all manner of vile beings.

#3: It is unknown if all Virtuoso's were male. There are likely other instruments out there that Drake does not know about or havn't found. For instance, he found the Baton much later than all of the others. Knowing Christopher however and how he writes, I would say the chances are high that he would say "yes" to a past female Virtuoso.

#4: There may not be a specific way to choose who is the Virtuoso. It seems to me that its a bit of the old "choosen one" archetype, that it is just a matter of destiny.

Subnote: Drake dying would not end the line of Virtuoso's. However, Akash only learned to destroy the intruments with his predececor and the Violin. It is the knowledge and power that accumilates over time that, I think, makes Virtuoso's much stronger over time as they gather all those previous memories of the ones before him. If Akash continues this new found pattern of destroying the current instruments before the Virtuoso can get their feet on the ground so to speak, she severly limits the amount of power the next one can poccess and can stop them before they become a threat by intervening early like she did with Drake. Of course, Drake has "plot armor" in the begining of the story, but it doesn't make the threat of what Akash could do any less thretening to the Virtuoso's existence. Also note that Drake was way behind the ball when Akash first showed up and he would have certainly lost and died in that first fight if it wasn't for Captain Cosmic showing up to help, which eventually led to the formation of the Prime Wardens in the first place.

#5: Actually, I beleive the intruments do have special properties. They may not be innatly powerful, as in anyone could pick up and weild them, but the Virtuoso's can certainly channel past users and gain power and knowledge from them, so it stands to reason that there is a special bond that forms with those instruments. Consider this as well: Drake actually destroys the Bell at one point which provides him with such a surge of power that he is able to rip a massive space warship in two.

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I have a theory on the songbook. Would you like to hear it? Great!

Drake uses the different instruments for different songs/rhythems to produces different effects or powers traditionally. But he needs to summon them and physically use them to work. The destruction of the Bell was a massive setback for Drake. In that story line he basically cuts off his arm to save the body in a metaphorical sense. He needs those instruments and the powers/songs/knowledge that comes with them, and he handicapped himself. Keep that in mind while we switch gears a bit.

If you notice on the Prime Wardens Argent character card, all the intruments he still has avaliable are pictured, but they are not actually there. The art is more like stainglass right? They are there in spirit but not there in a physical form. This is pretty important. Also, notice the name of the innate power. Conduct.

Ok, so remember when Drake destroyed his bell that I talked about a few sentenses ago? Drake couldn't just get weaker and be ok with it, there would be no way to continue fighting the villains he has been, and certainly would be screwed if Akash picked another fight right now. He would certainly die being weakened. So he had to go out in search of more lost instruments of the Void. Back in my first answer, I mentioned the Baton. Well, this is what Drake found, the rose laced conductors baton. Now, the baton was powerful. More powerful than any instrument he has found up to this point, and he thrived with this power. But why was it so strong? Think about what a baton is and what it represents. It is the instrument of the conductor of the orchestra, the one who directs every other instrument. Wherever the baton moves, the other instruments follow. It is a dictorial relationship by nature, a relationship that is far to easy to exploit and abuse. Even if the baton points in your direction in an orchestra at the wrong moment, you play because thats the power it weilds. You do what it says, even when in the wrong.

As we know though from the card art from the alt-art foil pack, the Baton comes with a lot of baggage. Bad baggage. Dark and evil baggage. The previous owner of the baton fell into the trap I described above and used the other instruments by force to do his will. This warrped Drakes mind to a large extent as we see in that incap art, and it would take a great deal for him to finally destroy the Baton and free himself from the control and bloodlust that power brought him.

Drake was back at square one, but not without learning a very valuable lesson. Controling multiple instruments at once was a huge spike in power for him, but he needed to find a way to conduct the orchestra without the tyranny of the Baton. I believe he found the answer of how to do that with the songbook. The songbook, as opposed to the baton, has a much more symbiotic relationship with its user creating a healthier dynamic. I have no evidence of this, but it might also be possible with the song book to store the knowledge of previously found instruments to preserve and recall their songs even if the physical object is no longer around. This type of consolidation of power might be bad in the future, but certainly makes Akash's original plan to stop the Virtuoso's once and for all much harder to execute.

This may not be very accurate in some details (will have to wait for a Letters Page on Argent to find out more), but to me the general brushstrokes make sense as connecting thoughts

JE
Jeysie
2016-11-15 19:57 UTC
#11

Ooh, speculation! And from the speculation master! (Yes I’ve read many of your lovely essays.)

Honestly the Virtuosos are some of my fave lore in Sentinels. I grew up in a city where music and art are taught and performed a lot (and took way too many years of vocal and music theory and choral classes myself), and I’ve always loved bards in any fantasy milieu (played way too many in D&D campaigns certainly…)

  1. It could make sense either way, admittedly. Like with all guys you’d get the whole “Mother Nature, Father Science” theme going on. (Well, OK, more like Father Mathematician, since this is music we’re talking about.) But a lady Virtuoso would still be pretty awesome!

Though a note on gender, or more specifically gender presentation: I find the evolution of Anthony’s own costume to be kind of interesting.

His first outfit, especially in the updated artwork for the foils, is vaguely feminine-looking and really showy: Long hair, long flowing tunic, trousers that fit more like tights, lots of fussy decorations everywhere, combined with a flowery ornate font for his codename and title.

Then his Prime Wardens outfit gives him short hair, ditches the tunic, has fewer decorations (mostly the fastener for his cape), and the font for his codename is more simply old-fashioned and formal. Still kinda pretty boyish, but less dandy-looking.

And then finally in Prime War he’s still got the short hair and now has a fairly typically masculine-style desert lands adventurer (that’s what the style kinda makes me think of, anyway) outfit, with the only decorations being on the scarf he swapped his cape for. Very practical and workman-like now, especially with the rolled-up sleeves, and he looks cute in a more typically guyish way now.

I’m not sure what all that says, exactly, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

  1. I guess it’s the whole Watsonian vs. Doylist debate, eh? I guess I was curious in-universe what causes the universe to decide yes, I think a random bartender should totally be the new magic musician. Or for that matter, what will happen whenever it’s finally Anthony’s turn to play music teacher.

Assuming that will actually happen? I feel like said finding the newbie and teaching them probably happens during the time Akash is dormant after a defeat, but this time Akash doesn’t seem inclined to take a nap any time soon. Also Anthony seems to have gone in perhaps a very different direction than other Virtuosos… the other Virtuosos seem implied to stick primarily to one instrument while even though the Pipes are his favorite, ironically Anthony’s situation led him to have to learn how to use multiple instruments and create more of a gestalt of power.

Maybe Akash accidentally went and assured that sooner or later she’s going to have an extremely powerful Virtuoso to face this time around. And that it’ll be that much harder to stop the signal, so to speak, since she’d have to break a lot more than one instrument if we assume that Anthony using so many of them means he’s imparting his own knowledge to more than one place.

But I’m getting a little off-track here. I was influenced by Christopher’s post here in my thoughts: https://greaterthangames.com/comment/18866#comment-18866

And also your own essay about the Void! Like, I was wondering if the instruments are ways for the Virtuoso to channel the magic energy from the Void rather than having said in and of themselves, or if Anthony could honestly channel the power entirely on his own if he learned to and the instruments are really just a way to mentally focus rather than actual spell foci.

Though as your own thoughts show, that probably just raises more questions than it answers.

  1. I love your theory on the songbook. It adds to the feel like Anthony is really tapping into all the Virtuoso power as a gestalt in a way that the others perhaps didn’t.

However, I may be reading stuff wrong, but, are we sure the Dark Conductor variant is of Anthony? I had thought that variant depicted Biomancer’s evil copy of Anthony. I haven’t seen the art of the card in Biomancer’s deck to match things for sure, but the description on the wiki says it’s summoning a conductor’s baton and the flavor text on that Google sheet with all the card breakdowns seems to fit as well. Also the symbol on the Dark Conductor’s outfit is that of a Dal Segno which tells you to repeat a section of music… i.e. musical copying!

This doesn’t really change your theory that much if I’m reading all that right, though… just makes the dark nature of the baton something Anthony witnessed rather than directly experiencing.

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Foote
2016-11-15 20:49 UTC
#12

I was wondering if the instruments are ways for the Virtuoso to channel the magic energy from the Void rather than having said in and of themselves, or if Anthony could honestly channel the power entirely on his own if he learned to and the instruments are really just a way to mentally focus rather than actual spell foci.

It's my interpretation that the Virtuosos channel the energy of the Void through their use of music and the instruments which they form special bonds to. It is my belief that different instruments can be used to produce different music/rhythemes that change the effect of the power that is used. Maybe the drum is used to produce a specific type of effect where as the pipes would be used in a different situation. Seeking out other instruments from previous Virtuosos grants him access to more varieties of music, thus more and different powers to weild. I think the Void is the battery for this energy, and the music is the transformer while Drake is the outlet. But thats just how I see it and could totally be off base. It's not a subject Christopher has delved too deeply into publicly to my knowledge.

However, I may be reading stuff wrong, but, are we sure the Dark Conductor variant is of Anthony? I had thought that variant depicted Biomancer's evil copy of Anthony. I haven't seen the art of the card in Biomancer's deck to match things for sure, but the description on the wiki says it's summoning a conductor's baton and the flavor text on that Google sheet with all the card breakdowns seems to fit as well. Also the symbol on the Dark Conductor's outfit is that of a Dal Segno which tells you to repeat a section of music... i.e. musical copying!

The "Carbon Adept" clone in Biomancer's deck has a costume extremely similar to the original Argent costume with no real distiguishing differences. Thats what makes the clones so dangerous is how well they blend in. The Carbon Adept is shown to weild the Baton. It is unclear the order of events here, but I would hazard a blind guess that Drake got the Baton from the defeated clone. It is also unclear if the clone is the Baton's original owner or actually from a previous darker Virtuoso, so that is up for speculation.

Argent Adept does have a variant card in the foil pack with the power "Dark Melodies". His costume has become mostly solid black/white, no ornamentation (like with the original costume), a simple hood, and does bear a glowing red Sengo on his chest. It's my firm belief that this is, in fact, Drake who has been tempted by the darker powers and memories the Baton contains. The meaning of the Sengo could go many different ways and likely has signifigance. It could be a signal that the Baton did indeed originate from the Clone (as in your interpretation of musical copying). Another possible reading is that it's a signal that Drake is doomed to repeat a past mistake of the former Dark Virtuoso (if the interpretation that the Baton came from a past owner and not the clone is correct), by abusing what I called the "tyranny of the baton" ealier.

Another thing I'd like to point out is that the color assosiated with the Baton and the Argent (clone or otherwise) in both instances is Red. Traditionally, energy coming from the Void has always been depicted as Green (Argent Adept, Dark Visionary, ect.). The fact that this is red either indicates a tampered, unpure, corrupted Void energy, or that, if it was the clones from the start, synthetic Void energy.

A lot of this rests upon where the Baton actually came from as readings of the text and art could swing different ways. But these are just some of my thoughts on it. 

 

JE
Jeysie
2016-11-16 01:32 UTC
#13

FWIW that's pretty much what I came up with in my own head, so if we're wrong we're at least similarly wrong!

And thank you for the elucidations on the Dark Conductor part; I wondered if I had been missing something, which is why I ask questions. Though honestly after thinking over the implications of all of your speculations, I now feel like I have twice as many questions as I started out with…

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Foote
2016-11-16 13:27 UTC
#14

Well, with any shred of luck, the Letters Page will actually become a thing and we will get to ask all those questions (whether they are answered though is a totally different topic)

CH
Chaosmancer
2016-12-06 22:54 UTC
#15

I love reading Foote theories.

 

I've got a little bit of info though. When demoing Oblivaeon at Gencon there was a mission deck card which featured (according to the title, no artwork sadly) multiple Virtuosos, from within the Void.

 

The instruments have no inherit power, we've been told that repeatedly, what if they are a direct connection between the Current Virtuoso and his predeccesor.

 

The old Virtuoso acts as a mentor to the new one, who battles and uses the power from the Void, creating a chain of master and student. Akash' broke the chain, and Anthony did what other Virtuosos never did, sought out the artifacts of old masters, not just the last one.

 

Now, why do the instruments act the way they do? Because they are the most intrinsic link between the soul of the Virtuoso and the world. Few musicians have a greater tie to the world than through their instrument, so the magic of the Void allows them to imprint a bond, the instrument connecting the soul of the two Virtuosos.

 

The Baton then could connect to the soul of a Virtuoso who chose to abuse their power, becoming a villain rather than a hero and willing to try and possess the wielder, or lead them down the wrong path.

 

How does this apply to the Book?

 

Perhaps he recorded the songs of the masters, the pure expressions they put into the world and uses that to contact them instead. I'm thinking of a song called "The Song Goes On" that talks about the concept https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_4UHDXYFdY&index=12&list=PL854tTwVH2KlMED84ZMvJNWkXywfCSsjM

 

It is also possible that in the battle with Akash, AA ended up in a near death state, he had a moment to contact the Virtuosos directly. By realizing that was possible, he moved beyond the instruments, which is the natural final path for all Virtuosos who complete their training. He learned that the tools are merely there for making the proccess easier, not making the proccess possible, so he channels the power without needing the instrument itself, becoming more like the Avatar, always in contact with his predeccessors

JE
Jeysie
2016-12-07 14:38 UTC
#16

Ooooooh, OblivAeon does have Virtuoso stuff in it. Sweet!

Such an odd-sounding card, though. I mean, does the Void serve as some sort of afterlife for the essences of past Virtuosos? That has all sorts of strange potential implications.

I find the rest of your thoughts interesting as well.