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Pushingthelimits
2015-02-10 01:42 UTC
#1
I have found pieces of the story here in the forums and in different Wikis. Where is the best place to follow the story of heroes, villains, and the unfolding story line of this game?
For instance, if I just want to know the most about the Freedom Five, how do I get that info? Who joined, when, who left, what fights changed them, etc.
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Powerhound_2000
2015-02-10 03:12 UTC
#2
Christopher's brain because we can only speculate based on the cards we have. We have some items confirmed but Christopher has not released the whole SotM story.
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Pydro
2015-02-10 03:14 UTC
#3
He has released the hole story.
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Powerhound_2000
2015-02-10 03:15 UTC
#4
A lot of holes for sure
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phantaskippy
2015-02-10 03:28 UTC
#5
The Justice Hole?
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Foote
2015-02-10 04:53 UTC
#6
It's largely a mystery but there are a few pieces we know plus a lot of forum/fan speculation. Feel free to join in!
Here is what we know:
SotM starts basically with the Freedom Four (Tachyon Bunker Legacy and Wraith), a government funded team of Superheros. Ryan Frost aka Absolute Zero starts off as a patient of sorts in Tachyon lab after his accient. She built a suit for him with government funding and he gets an offer to join the team as a way to pay off his debt. He refuses for a long time, but eventually gets tired of his isolation in the cryo chamber and joins full time as the 5th member.
After the creation of the Freedom Five, there is a short window where the Wraith is assumed to have been killed (see Wraiths incap art). The comic numberings go from a Freedom Five Annual back to a Freedom Four Annual, back to Freedom Five the next year. The story behind this is unkown.
After this during the Freedom Five Annual #11 is our first apperance of Unity, who works under Tachyon in her lab and becomes an Intern for the Freeom Five.
Freedom Five have a bunch of pivotal fights including the arcs Moonfall (Baron Blades terralunar beam plan) and Sunrise (Dawns first major confrontation that we know of). The Iron Legacy story line is a huge turning point as well. If Legacy and his daughter Young Legacy never fought Iron Legacy from a darker alternate timeline, they would have been healthy enough to go to Wagner Mars base to try and stop one of Baron Blades major plans. Had they gone to Wagner, one of them would have died in a trap (in fact, if Young Legacy had died in that confrontation, it's the exact scenario that produced Iron Legacy in his timeline). Neither of them were there for Barons trap however, which altered the course of history.
Baron Blade also put together the supervillain team Vengeance Five to specifically combat the Freedom Five, although his attempts proved unsucessfull.
The Freedom Five has teamed up wtih almost every hero of the Multiverse at some point or another. They may not be the focus of many of the side story lines, but the Freedom Five Annuals mark major cross over events that feature the majority of our core Villains at some point or another.
Thats about all the solid information I have off the top of my head. There is a lot we don't know, but we can piece together a good rough skeleton from the information avaliable. Feel free to share your own thoughts and ask questions!! Who knows, if you ask the right questions, Chrsitopher has been known to pop in randomly with some vauge answers from time to time. With anything else the forum has some pretty damn smart people who love to try and answer these things.
Edit:
By the time Tactics rolls around (takes place a few years after the SotM storyline ends), the Freedom Five have completely broken off from the Government. Wraith reveals her secret identity to the public, spends the majority of her familys fortune to buy off Absolute Zeros suite, build a new Bunker suit (the old one had to be returned to the Army), the Freedom Tower, and builds Tachyon a new lab. The Freedom Five have become a private entity by this time. There also seems to be a public outcry against super human individuals, hero or otherwise (though the exact reason is unknown). Unity continues to act as an Intern for the F5, although she now wears a FV belt with an I on the end (she claims the I stands for "intern", but everyone else knows she is pushing to be a full time member. VI would be 6 in roman numberals)
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Arcanist_Lupus
2015-02-10 05:09 UTC
#7
The vast majority of our solid information comes from character bios, all of which can be found on the wiki. The rest of our information comes from piecing together the quotes at the bottoms of cards, their art (which frequently matches the quotes), and the comic numbers cited by the quotes which can provide chronology clues. There have been other hints provided by the Greater than Games team, on the forums and at cons, but those tend to be few and far between.
It would be really cool to see all the information we've gathered so far collated and put into the wiki (which has places for it, but they tend to be blank), but that would be a major undertaking that I unfortunately don't think I can really contribute much to at the moment.
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lynkfox
2015-02-10 23:20 UTC
#8
sotm.wikidot.com
as Arcanist link accidently has the greaterthangames.com/forum in it ;)
As for putting it on the wiki... every little bit helps! If you got something you want to put up there, put it up! I may format it to fit with everything, but unless I can prove something is actually wrong, I don't take it down. Even if you only do one little page, the more the merrier!
**looks at spiff. Puts another dollar in the jar ;) **
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Spiff
2015-02-10 23:32 UTC
#9
:)
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bluedarky
2015-02-11 02:49 UTC
#10
The real fun part is attempting to work out when the two resident time jumpers (Omnitron-X and Chrono-Ranger) turn up for battles.
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McBehrer
2015-02-11 03:26 UTC
#11
It reminds me of Dark Souls, a bit. Having to piece together the story from context clues, item descriptions, and pictures.
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Chaosmancer
2015-02-11 19:17 UTC
#12
I just realized something from reading Foote's summary of Tactics.
With the old Bunker suit back in military hands and a public distrust of heroes ready to explode we could realistically see Bunker vs Tyler Vance in the Bunker mk II
That'd be super awesome
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Greywind
2015-02-11 20:47 UTC
#13
Uh, except the Bunker suit is way beyond Mk II. G.I. Bunker is from WWII. No real telling when the Bunker project began unless we can get Christopher to say.
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BerkMarc
2015-02-11 21:30 UTC
#14
Another source of information comes from the promo cards, although some of those take place in alternate timelines.
Omnitron is defeated but is mysteriously resurrected as Cosmic Omnitron. Baron Blade tries to salvage Omnitron into a sinister weapon. Later a damaged portion of Omnitron attempts to rebuild itself as a drone factory.
Fanatic has her faith shattered in a confrontation with Apostate but returns with a faceplate as Redeemer Fanatic.
Ra gets owned by the Ennead and wanders around until he returns with the power of Horus.
A team of heroes join the Argent Adept against Akash'bhuta and become known as the Prime Wardens which includes Haka, Captain Cosmic, Fanatic and Tempest.
Somehow Spite and Gloomweaver team up and go after Rook City. Another team of heroes form to protect Rook City made up of Setback, Expatriette, Mr. Fixer, and NightMist.
An alternate future has the Freedom Six led by Tachyon with the addition of Golem Unity and one-armed Tempest.
In the distant possible future Earth has been overrun by vicious monsters and only the Eternal Haka has survived along with a mysterious sentient being known as Con who has connections to former members of the Freedom Five. Chrono-Ranger ends up in this Final Wasteline timeline due to a rift in time.
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Chaosmancer
2015-02-11 22:07 UTC
#15
It was simply a way to refer to the new tachyon built bunker suit, since it is still called "Bunker" even though it is a completely different system.
Besides, in my head we have prototype (G.I. Bunker), then Bunker and then the 2nd updated version of bunker. EOW Bunker doesn't count as it is in a closed timeline. It's much simpler than trying to list it exactly accurately based on information we don't have.
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arenson9
2015-02-12 04:40 UTC
#16
Last week Christopher and I were both on a cruise ship with 900 other nerds. One of the awesome things about this ship is that it has a 24 hour game room set up in the conference room with games brought by attendees.
Naturally, Sentinels of the Multiverse is a popular choice. I thus found myself teaching SotM to a group of people and explaining to them how the flavor text on the cards were all from the made-up publishing house of Sentinel Comics, which was mostly only recorded in one of Christopher's notebooks. I was saying this just as Christopher happened to be walking by. Christopher took the opportunity to not only corroborate my tale, but to somewhat smugly add that said notebook was actually on the boat.
After I picked my jaw up off the ground (I mean, really, it's on the boat? Where it could be lost at sea?! Instead of in a safe or something?!) we went back to showing Baron Blade who's boss.
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Ironic_Fist
2015-02-12 09:11 UTC
#17
Out of curiosity, has it ever been confirmed whether the incap sides are events that definitely happen to that character in their timeline or whether they're showing events that may happen? I know some definitely happen in the canon storyline, but I've never been clear on whether it applies to all.
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Nielzabub
2015-02-12 09:32 UTC
#18
They seem to be events that happened in the comics. The Legacy incaps are believed to be parallel timelines.
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Foote
2015-02-12 13:54 UTC
#19
They all definitely happen and are scenes depicted in the comics at some point
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phantaskippy
2015-02-12 15:48 UTC
#20
Isn't Bunker's suit an extension of the Ironclad program from the Civil War?
GI Bunker was the first Ironclad piloted into active combat. Doesn't mean it was the first suit.
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Foote
2015-02-12 15:58 UTC
#21
Correct. And we know that during SotM from the pictures of his Bay in the Freedom Tower deck that Bunker has a slew of additional suits, all of which are probably also government owned and built by the Ironclad program.
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Ameena
2015-02-12 17:32 UTC
#22
There's also erm...that card in his deck...which I can't remember the name of...which shows a bunch of suits all lined up in a row. It's the one that gets equipment out of your trash or something. I don't really play Bunker that often and that's not a card that gets much use anyway, but it's still annoying that I can't remember its name, lol.
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Pydro
2015-02-12 17:46 UTC
#23
Decommissioned Hardware
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Ameena
2015-02-12 18:05 UTC
#24
Yes, thank you, that's the one, lol :D.
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Paptimus
2015-02-14 06:10 UTC
#25
For me, it's very important that the storyline keeps some "holes" in it, in order to stay true to SotM nature as a game. I want to get enough "missing" narrative space to fill in the holes according to how my plays unfold. And speculation is almost always better (and once again, even more fitting for a game) than a definite fixed, completely written storyline.
I remember, when I was young and I would speculate about the origins of Wolverine (is he immortal? Did he lose his memory? When?) or Gambit (the lost Summers brother?)... Then the story was told, and those characters lost a lot of their aura to me. I couldn't "make them mine" as I used to, and I was almost condemned to stick to their "true" origins.
I think Christopher and Adam have done a masterful work until now of giving hints and pieces of the "true storyline", while keeping enough mystery for the game itself to unfold as a support for our own "version" of it.
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Katsue
2015-02-14 10:02 UTC
#26
It's pretty rare for Bunker not to play Decommissioned Hardware at least once per game, in my experience.
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Silverleaf
2015-02-14 12:49 UTC
#27
I hardly ever play it. It's only useful if he's had something destroyed or discarded that I really want back - I usually only seem to have it when my trash is empty, so it's perfect discard fodder or Omi-Cannon ammo, at least early on.
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Ameena
2015-02-14 14:22 UTC
#28
My partner uses Bunker every few games or so, and tends to go for the "guns and Turret Mode" option. Last time I played Bunker I played EoW Bunker specifically because we were going up against Kismet, who normally kicks our arses. And I'm glad I did, because I managed to have enough Mode cards in my hand to deal with most of the Jinxes she threw out, meaning she never managed to get too ramped up in her damage output and so we won :D. I also got lucky (heh) in that even though she played Lady Luck at some point, I managed to take it out on the first try :D.
Decommissioned Hardware is only useful if your stuff's been broken, I would say. So if that isn't an issue, you can just chuck it under the Omni-Cannon or something, if you've got that out (my partner tends to go for the guns-and-Turret-Mode combo, though).
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Katsue
2015-02-14 16:50 UTC
#29
If something is making you discard cards or you want to use the Omni-Cannon, then Decommissioned Hardware is probably a good card to hang onto, because it lets you use Bunker's most reliable card draw engine, which is repeatedly recycling Auxiliary Power Sources.
Besides, equipment being blown up happens all the time. Very few Villains don't blow up your equipment.
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BlueHairedMeerkat
2015-02-15 15:38 UTC
#30
You're usually better off discarding an equipment card before Decommissioned Hardware, since Hardware can get it or any other equipment card back. I use it quite a lot, subsequently.
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ScarecrowKing
2015-02-27 18:32 UTC
#31
Tempest's incap side has me curious. If all the basic Hero cards' incap sides are canon, then Tempest loses his left arm at some point. His card from the F6 timeline shows him missing the arm, but on his Prime Wardens card, he still has both arms. Did the Dark Watch confront Voss after Tempest was in the Prime Wardens? If so, then at some point between Tempest joining the PW, but before Nightmist banishes him, Voss could have done it. Or, maybe his basic incap side is a reference to an encounter in the main timeline with the displaced Iron Legacy. Which means that no matter what the timeline, Legs is ripping his arm off at some point. The wiki doesn't provide much more info, unfortunately.
If all of this has been covered, sorry. I'm new, and still finding my way around the Multiverse.
-Brian
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Foote
2015-02-27 18:37 UTC
#32
Note that Legacy's incap art is of a dead Young Legacy, and while that never came to pass in the main timeline, it still happened sometime in the sentinels comics, making it canon.
Apply that same line of thinking to Tempests incap side. Him losing an arm could have happened at anytime really and it may not have been in the main timeline.
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Donner
2015-02-27 18:37 UTC
#33
He lost his arm in the timeline where Legacy became Iron Legacy. Now that Iron Legacy altered the main story timeline, Tempest doesn't lose his arm.
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Chaosmancer
2015-02-27 19:11 UTC
#34
There is also the possibility that it grew back. After all he is an alien, different biology and all.
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Arcanist_Lupus
2015-02-27 19:13 UTC
#35
Unlikely, since F6 Tempest is shown missing an arm. I think if he could grow it back, he would have there.
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Foote
2015-02-27 19:14 UTC
#36
He can't go full on Namekian. You never go full on Namekian.
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phantaskippy
2015-02-27 20:17 UTC
#37
Both Young Legacy and Legacy cannot have cannon incap sides. In two possible timelines Baron Blade kills Legacy at Wagner Mars base (where the original was headed) in a different one Young Legacy went to fight him to prove herself (or something like that) and Blade kills her instead, bringing about Iron Legacy.
The actual timeline that occurs in the game Iron Legacy comes into their timeline and it takes 2 (or 3) of them to take him down, Both Legacy and his daughter are wounded, neither go to Mars, and both live, while Baron is horribly embarrassed that his perfected Legacy killing serum is totally the wrong serum to bring to the party.
The Freedom 6 all happen in the Iron Legacy timeline, and I assume they are involved in the real timeline for a short while before returning to their own minus Iron Legacy.
The interaction between the F5 and F6 must have been pretty interesting.
Bunker meeting Hero Steven Graves, Tachyon meeting herself as leader of the F6, Unity and her golem self, it had to be something.
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Ronway
2015-02-27 20:29 UTC
#38
Is there anything that states that the F6 also came to the main timeline? Everything I have read only mentions Iron Legacy's presence.
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Arcanist_Lupus
2015-02-27 20:33 UTC
#39
Skips past the cannon/canon jokes
I disagree with this, but I suspect that the disagreement is over the definition of 'canon' rather than anything in stoy.
I would say that Young Legacy and Legacy's incap sides are both canon. I understand 'canon' to mean anything that officially happened in the overarching Sentinels of the Multiverse story, whether or not it happened in the main timeline. Both those incapacitations were made to have not-happened, but they're still part of the Sentinels story - if they hadn't existed at some point, the Sentinel's story would have happened differently.
I hope that makes sense, because my ability to use tenses in an understandable manner will be starting to break down.
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phantaskippy
2015-02-27 20:46 UTC
#40
It depends on what theory of time and reality we ascribe to, and what kind of Multiverse the Multiverse is.
It is possible that everything is canon, because whatever could happen happened at some point, in one part of the multiverse.
For my use of canon, I'm thinking of the storyline of the card game, in which the Young Legacy incap was from the Iron Legacy timeline, and the Legacy incap is what should have happened before time was disrupted and reality changed.
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Arcanist_Lupus
2015-02-27 21:00 UTC
#41
Except that canon isn't a timeline concept - it's a narrative concept. And Young Legacy's incap happened as part of the Sentinels narrative, even though it's no longer part of the timeline.
This is why time travel and alternate realities give people headaches.
Or to put it another way, I use 'canon' to mean anything that has appeared in a Sentinels comic (or would have appeared in a Sentinels comic if those comics existed).
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Donner
2015-02-27 21:03 UTC
#42
Which means they are all canon, as they all happened. It's like any show where you see something horrible happen and someone dies, then the show jumps and you see that person alive. Then you find out they're alternate timelines and they were the same person…mostly. It all happened. Just not to the person in the main storyline. They just ran into the side-effects.
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Estelindis
2015-02-28 02:46 UTC
#43
I agree. There's a ton of other things that I want to know about Sentinels Comics that haven't been revealed yet, but I hope that some gaps are always kept, for exactly the reasons you just stated.
Reminds me of Shepherd Book from Firefly. His past was alluded to at various points, but the blanks weren't filled in. The possibilities conjured up by the hints seemed so intriguing that I felt explicitly describing his past would always be a let-down, so I was glad they didn't do that. Years later, I saw they'd put a comic out about his past. "Oh wow," thought I, "this must be really good, because there's no way Mr. Whedon would break all that mystery unless he'd thought of a way to make the revelation really interesting and satisfying." It was not. It was disappointly poor. If I could unread it, I would (and I recommend that no one reading this reads it). I don't expect Christopher to make that mistake (though, frankly, I didn't expect Joss Whedon to let his brother write such an awful comic either).
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metlarcturus
2015-02-28 03:50 UTC
#44
Yikes. That's a ringing non-endorsement. I'll take that off my reading list, then. Is the whole comic run that disappointing, or mainly that arc?
Also, I love dramatic mystery; the speculation really does end up being better than a reveal most of the time.
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Estelindis
2015-02-28 13:02 UTC
#45
I'm afraid I can't tell you about the others, as that's the only one I read. I'd be very surprised if the others were as bad as that one, though.
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Silverleaf
2015-02-28 13:25 UTC
#46
A somewhat more mainstream example, but Hannibal Lecter was far more interesting (and frightening) when he was a psycho cannibal for no explained reason than if you've seen his origin story. "He eats people because he likes it and doesn't care that society frowns on such things" beats "he eats people because wangsty backstory".
And Jedis are better "because, I dunno, magic or something" than "because midichlorians".
Jeez. That's the third time I've talked about Star Wars in the last two days. That never usually happens.
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Powerhound_2000
2015-02-28 13:31 UTC
#47
Yeah I really wish the whole midichlorians thing had never been mentioned. They could have just said they felt Anakin was gifted in the force like them. Still wouldn't have made the rest of the movie better but at least space magic would have still been a thing.
I almost feel to some degree that we will never get the full story. That we may get information about major events but never the full details.
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arenson9
2015-02-28 13:38 UTC
#48
I enjoyed it.
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Rabit
2015-02-28 14:52 UTC
#49
Well, if we're going to talk about Firefly…
There's a variety of levels. Here's my thoughts (in the order they should probably be read):
Better Days - Interesting and well-written, the characterizations were dead-on. I liked it a lot.
Those Left Behind - Wonderfully smart and interesting, well-written, and good characterizations. I really enjoyed it.
The Other Half - It was short and decently done, I thought, albeit a little jumbled. (It's available online.)
Downtime - Another short one, but I thought it was fun (and available online).
The Shephard's Tale - While it wasn't as great as I'd hope, very little ever is. :wink: Having said that, I thought it was very well done. I especially enjoyed the structure of it, and I found the story interesting and the writing pretty good (although I have some issues with plot holes).
Float Out - I recommend skipping it. The only thing worth seeing is the last panel of the book. Just my opinion, of course - others might disagree.
It's Never Easy - I didn't like the art, but the writing was okay. Not that impressive, in general, but entertaining enough (and, since it's available online, worth the price of admission).
I think that's all of them...
That, I think, is what hurt The Shephard's Tale the most. There were a lot of expectations and folks had their preferred theories. When those theories didn't pan out (as they rarely do), there was a lot of disappointment.
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Ronway
2015-02-28 15:00 UTC
#50
Man, it really is a hard to follow story, I had no idea that Firefly was involved!
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Estelindis
2015-02-28 19:41 UTC
#51
Hey, some people must. It has a 3 1/2 star average on Amazon, after all. I'd say it probably helped if you didn't have very high expectations. As I said above, I expected something amazing, because I thought that the wonderful sense of mystery wouldn't be stripped away if it wasn't to be replaced by a superbly-written backstory. What I saw was less interesting than anything I'd imagined, which is part of why I call it poor (though not the only reason, but I shouldn't go on at greater length about it here).
To get back to the comment to which I originally responded, and thus move things back on-topic, it could just be that some people find mysteries more appealing than others. I think there's an important balance to strike between leaving everything so vague that one doesn't have any interesting concrete details at all and filling in so many gaps that there's no longer room for imaginative speculation. The way Christopher writes the characters of Sentinel Comics, we see plenty of tantalising story elements, but huge gaps are left that allow for tons of speculation. Even when he finishes telling us everything that he wants to tell us, I hope some gaps will still be left, spaces in which we can put any of the games we play, imagining realistic reasons for why those encounters would occur.
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Ameena
2015-03-01 17:12 UTC
#52
Even if all the gaps were filled in, it's a Multiverse - every possibility of everything is played out in a different universe so you can just make up your own sequence of events or whatever and say it happened in a different universe to the main one :D.