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Crack the Case #2

135 posts · 3999 views · started 2014-08-06 14:30 UTC
PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 14:30 UTC
#1

Quick rules summary: Ask any yes/no question, and I can only answer with one of these seven responses:

  1. Yes
  2. No
  3. Yes and No
  4. Irrelevant
  5. I don't Know
  6. Define what you mean by...
  7. Rephrase Your Question

 

The Case - Easy

Wayne lies dead in the water, wearing a plastic raincoat.

 

The Mystery

Who killed Wayne, how, and why? How did his murderer get caught?

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 14:36 UTC
#2

Was it Garth?

NI
Nielzabub
2014-08-06 14:37 UTC
#3

Is Wayne in a puddle on a street or sidewalk?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 14:55 UTC
#4

No.

EDIT: It feels so strange when you don't say Ronway.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 14:55 UTC
#5

No.

CR
Craig
2014-08-06 14:56 UTC
#6

Is/Was Wayne a person?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 14:57 UTC
#7

Yes.

CR
Craig
2014-08-06 14:58 UTC
#8

Is Wayne in a naturally-formed body of water?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 14:59 UTC
#9

Yes.

MC
McBehrer
2014-08-06 15:08 UTC
#10

Is Wayne an adult?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 15:14 UTC
#11

Yes.

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 15:40 UTC
#12

Was it raining when he died?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 15:41 UTC
#13

No.

FO
Foote
2014-08-06 16:24 UTC
#14

Did Wayne drown?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 16:26 UTC
#15

Yes.

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 16:31 UTC
#16

Was he held under water by the murderer?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 16:39 UTC
#17

No.

FO
Foote
2014-08-06 16:44 UTC
#18

Did wayne drown of his own stupidity? 

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 16:49 UTC
#19

Define what you mean by "drown of his own stupidity."

FO
Foote
2014-08-06 16:51 UTC
#20

Was he in the lake because of his own actions.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 16:54 UTC
#21

Define what you mean by "his own action." (Just so we don't go back and forth, you haven't determined what the body of water is.)

FO
Foote
2014-08-06 16:56 UTC
#22

Did he trip and fall into the water. (Sorry, I'm trying haha)

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 16:57 UTC
#23

No.

CR
Craig
2014-08-06 17:06 UTC
#24

I think I see what Foote is getting at.

Was Wayne's death a suicide attempt?

If not, was Wayne his own murderer?

If not, was there a human agent that murdered Wayne?

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 17:09 UTC
#25

Are you sure it wasn't Garth?

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 17:09 UTC
#26

Was the water flowing?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 17:09 UTC
#27

No. Yes and no. Yes.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 17:10 UTC
#28

No. :slight_smile:

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 17:11 UTC
#29

Yes.

FO
Foote
2014-08-06 17:12 UTC
#30

Is the water outside?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 17:13 UTC
#31

Yes.

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 17:13 UTC
#32

Was it a river?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 17:18 UTC
#33

Yes.

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 17:20 UTC
#34

Did he slip on a rock?

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 17:21 UTC
#35

Was Wayne intoxicated, perhaps from too much partying on?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 17:38 UTC
#36

No.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 17:38 UTC
#37

No.

RA
Rath
2014-08-06 18:20 UTC
#38

Was anyone besides Wayne involved in his death?

 

Was Wayne's murder premeditated?

SI
Silverleaf
2014-08-06 18:22 UTC
#39

Had Wayne met the murderer previously, i.e. on some other occasion before the murder?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 19:18 UTC
#40

Yes. Yes.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 19:19 UTC
#41

Yes.

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 19:21 UTC
#42

Was the murder out of anger?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 19:33 UTC
#43

Yes.

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 19:35 UTC
#44

Was Wayne knocked out before drowning?

FO
Foote
2014-08-06 19:35 UTC
#45

Was the rain coat stolen?

AM
Ameena
2014-08-06 19:36 UTC
#46

Is the fact he was wearing a raincoat of significance? If so, was he wearing it properly (ie the right way round, and not, I dunno, tangled up it it somehow, or whatever)?

MC
McBehrer
2014-08-06 19:45 UTC
#47

Did Wayne voluntarily put on the raincoat?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 20:39 UTC
#48

No.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 20:39 UTC
#49

No.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 20:40 UTC
#50

Yes and no. Yes.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 20:41 UTC
#51

Yes.

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 20:42 UTC
#52

Did Wayne try to avoid drowning, ie struggle or fight or swim?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 20:50 UTC
#53

Please rephrase your question.

RA
Rath
2014-08-06 21:06 UTC
#54

Did Wayne know he was going to be killed before the murder occured?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 21:12 UTC
#55

No.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 21:13 UTC
#56

Did the murderer drown?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 21:20 UTC
#57

No.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 21:23 UTC
#58

Does the raincoat belong to Wayne?

 

Does it belong to the Murderer?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 21:28 UTC
#59

No. No.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 21:35 UTC
#60

Is the owner of the raincoat significant?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 21:44 UTC
#61

Yes and no. This goes back to whether the raincoat is significant. Tou can solve the problem without knowing about the raincoat, but it can also help you find out the answer if you know about it.

MC
McBehrer
2014-08-06 21:54 UTC
#62

was Wayne murdered by someone he thought was an ally?

The scenario I'm thinking of is that Wayne and his killer were both involved in killing a third party. The raincoat was to block the blood spray or whatever. Then he was betrayed, and dumped in the river along with the guy they were trying to dispose of.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 22:01 UTC
#63

Yes. No.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 22:13 UTC
#64

Is the owner of the raincoat a woman?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 22:14 UTC
#65

I don't know/Irrelevant.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 22:16 UTC
#66

Is there someone else involved in this scenerio besides Wayne and the Murderer?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 22:25 UTC
#67

Define what you mean by "involved."

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 22:30 UTC
#68

Someone that is family, spouse, ect. with either Wayne or the murderer that may have caused this murder to take place because of their relation?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 22:32 UTC
#69

Yes.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 22:34 UTC
#70

Is this third person a woman?

Is they are a women, is she married to the murderer?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 22:36 UTC
#71

Yes. No.

FO
Foote
2014-08-06 22:38 UTC
#72

Was jealousy a motive for the muder?

was Wayne the intentional target for the muder?

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 22:38 UTC
#73

Hmm...

Is she married to Wayne?

Is she having an affair with the murderer?

 

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 22:52 UTC
#74

Yes. Yes.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 22:52 UTC
#75

Yes. No.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-06 22:55 UTC
#76

Is the murderer a woman?

Was Wayne having an affair with the murderer (regardless of the answer to the previous question)?

FO
Foote
2014-08-06 23:09 UTC
#77

Is the murderer married as well?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 23:20 UTC
#78

Yes. Yes.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 23:20 UTC
#79

No.

NI
Nielzabub
2014-08-06 23:23 UTC
#80

Is the murderer friends with Wayne and his wife?

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 23:24 UTC
#81

Did Wayne drown in a deep part of the river, at least waist high?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 23:25 UTC
#82

No.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 23:26 UTC
#83

Yes.

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-06 23:26 UTC
#84

Did he attempt to swim to safety?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 23:28 UTC
#85

Yes.

SI
Silverleaf
2014-08-06 23:47 UTC
#86

Did he actually know how to swim?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 23:48 UTC
#87

Yes.

FO
Foote
2014-08-06 23:50 UTC
#88

Did the raincoat contain something of value?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 23:51 UTC
#89

No. (Well, except for Wayne.)

MA
Matchstickman
2014-08-06 23:55 UTC
#90

Do we have a toxicology report on Wayne? (Was he drugged?)

SI
Silverleaf
2014-08-06 23:55 UTC
#91

Did something impede his swimming ability? Or did he stop swimming due to exhaustion?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 23:56 UTC
#92

No, he was not drugged.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-06 23:57 UTC
#93

Yes. Define "exhaustion."

MA
Matchstickman
2014-08-07 00:01 UTC
#94

Was there something in the pockets of the jacket he was wearing that impeded his swimming ability? (e.g. rocks)

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 00:03 UTC
#95

No.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 00:06 UTC
#96

Yes.

EDIT: Sorry modifying this a bit. Changing it to: Yes and no. It was part of the problem, but not the only problem.

SI
Silverleaf
2014-08-07 00:06 UTC
#97

Was he unable to continue swimming because he was too physically fatigued?

SI
Silverleaf
2014-08-07 00:09 UTC
#98

Was the river bank too far away for him to reach by swimming?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 00:12 UTC
#99

I don't know. The story doesn't mention that as an issue, which means it probably wasn't.

NI
Nielzabub
2014-08-07 00:17 UTC
#100

Was the murderer jealous of Wayne because of his wife?

 

Are Wayne and the murderer old friends, like high school buddies?

 

Are Wayne and the murderer coworkers?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 00:19 UTC
#101

Yes. No. No.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 01:08 UTC
#102

Did Wayne's wife know that the murderer was going to kill Wayne?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 01:08 UTC
#103

No.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 01:12 UTC
#104

Did Wayne and the murderer live close enough to eachother that they could meet easily?

Was Wayne murdered in the city (or surrounding city) that he lived in?

Did the murderer know that Wayne was married?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 01:14 UTC
#105

I don't know (this means the story didn't say). No. Yes.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 01:18 UTC
#106

Was he out on a vaction when he was murdered?

Vacation out of the Country?

If so, was it with his wife?

Did the murderer just show up if he was on vacation with his wife?

Did he go with the murderer instead of his wife?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 01:19 UTC
#107

Yes and no. Yes and no. No. No. Yes.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 01:24 UTC
#108

He was murdered outside of the Country?

Would it be cheating if a looked up reasons to wear a raincoat by a river?

 

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 01:30 UTC
#109

Ok, I have to declare a bit of my own lack-of-knowledge here, even though it may give away some clues. The story doesn't say his country of origin, but it does say where he was murdered. So, I don't know if he went out of the country. Now, of course, the next few questions will be: was he murdered in US, in XXXX, in YYYY. However, I really don't know. WE are dealing where very fine points about where the border is, and I just won;t know the answer. So, I will give this away: It is on the border of two countries.

I don't think so.

NI
Nielzabub
2014-08-07 01:34 UTC
#110

I know you said that Wayne and the murderer aren't old friends, but are they friends?

 

If they aren't friends, are they just casual acquaintances?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 01:38 UTC
#111

Yes. No.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 01:43 UTC
#112

Alright, I found 2 things.

Were they standing in the river fishing?

Were they at a waterfall?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 01:43 UTC
#113

No. Yes.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 01:51 UTC
#114

Did the murderer push Wayne into the river?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 01:53 UTC
#115

No.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 01:54 UTC
#116

Did the murder tell him to jump into the river?

NI
Nielzabub
2014-08-07 01:55 UTC
#117

Is the murderer related to Wayne?

 

Is the waterfall Niagra Falls?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 01:56 UTC
#118

Define what you mean by "tell him to jump in the river."

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 01:57 UTC
#119

No. Yes.

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 01:58 UTC
#120

Ohhh!!! I think I may of picked up that whenever you say define, it means it is close.

My original meaning was she litrally said "Jump into the river".

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 02:02 UTC
#121

Dang it, I think you are on to me. It is so hard answering with only those reposnses, and sometimes the questions can mean so many different things, that you need the person to narrow down what the exact question is. Anyways, to asnwer your question: No.

NI
Nielzabub
2014-08-07 02:04 UTC
#122

Did the murderer force Wayne into the river by gunpoint?

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 02:09 UTC
#123

Excellent. So between defining him getting killed by his on stupidity and her telling him to jump off, I think she told him to step somewhere that he foolishly listened to, which caused him to fall to his death.

Something I have done (not to the point to cause death...) with a camara before, causing people to trip over things. Since they are at a waterfall, it certainly makes since her to try to get a picture in.

So was she taking a picture of him and asked him to step back where he ended up falling into the river below?

 

If that's correct, we now only need the why and how she was caught.

Did someone see her do it?

Did she actually take the picture when he was beginning to fall?

Did she want him to leave his wife to marry her instead, when he declined is when she decided to murder him?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 02:10 UTC
#124

No.

NI
Nielzabub
2014-08-07 02:12 UTC
#125

Was the gender of the murderer ever confirmed?

 

Is the murderer male?

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 02:12 UTC
#126

Yes.

No.

Yes.

Yes.

 

Wow! I think that is everything. Good job, everyone!

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 02:13 UTC
#127

No. No.

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-07 02:13 UTC
#128

Can we get the completed text?

HK
Humble-Knight
2014-08-07 02:15 UTC
#129

Also, I think technically he died of something other than drowning... even if the official thing says otherwise

PY
Pydro
2014-08-07 02:30 UTC
#130

I don’t have the card with me, but it went something like this:

Wayne told his wife he was going on a business trip, but was really meeting his girlfriend at Niagara Falls. It was at that time that Wayne told his girlfriend that he was not going to leave his wife and that their relationship with as coming to an end.

The girlfriend was angry and decided to kill Wayne. They went to a secluded place above the falls, and she told Wayne she was going to take his picture. As Wayne was posing, she kept telling him to back up, until he fell into the river. He then went down the falls and drowned (although I agree he might have died for other reasons).

The girlfriend made one mistake, she actually took the picture of Wayne falling. When she got the film developed (remember 1993), the developer saw it and called the police.

PH
phantaskippy
2014-08-07 05:09 UTC
#131

So, what your saying is Garth was not at all involved?

RO
Ronway
2014-08-07 12:23 UTC
#132

I'm as shocked as you are.

DP
dpt
2014-08-13 11:29 UTC
#133

So the raincoat was to protect Wayne from the spray from the fall.

PY
Pydro
2014-08-13 13:13 UTC
#134

Yes.

DO
Donner
2014-08-21 17:18 UTC
#135

But if he didn't fall, it would have done nothing. :D