Villain difference between normal and oversized cards
11 posts · 1376 views · started 2014-02-12 16:42 UTC
AL
alboy
2014-02-12 16:42 UTC
#1
I have just bought Sentinels of the Multiverse and all expansions plus the Villian oversized cards. I have 2 villian cards that differ from the oversized cards, they are.
The Dreamer. Two differencies.
The normal villian card. on the reverse it states in paragrath 4 that, At the end of the villian turn, The Dreamer deals each non-villian target H minus 2 psychic damage, then, play the top H minus 2 cards of the villian deck.
The oversized villian card, on the reverse it states in paragraph 4 that, At the end of the villian turn, The Dreamer deals each hero target H minus 1 psychic damage, then, play the top H minus 2 cards of the villian deck.
non-villian target against hero target and H minus 2 psychic damage againsst H minus 1 psychic damage
Do you know which are correct?
The Matriarch front and back.
The normal villian card, on the front of the card there are 2 sentances more than on the villian oversized card, they are. Whenever a fowl card enters play, The Matriarch regains H minus 2 HP. The other is Whenever a fowl card is played from the villian deck, play the top card of the villian deck. On the reverse there is one paragraph missing, the nornal villian card says Whenever a fowl card is played from the villian deck, play the top card of the villian deck, this is not on the reverse of the oversized villian card.
Do you know if they should be on both cards or not?
Alan
RO
Ronway
2014-02-12 16:48 UTC
#2
The normal card is the correct one in both cases. In Dreamer's case, it's just a simple typo. However in Matriarch's case, the original printing of Rook City had the "whenever this card is played, play the next card" on the Fowl Cards, but they decided to alter it in future printings, because cards like Hair Trigger Reflexes could stop the chaining of cards. They have not had the need to reprint over sized cards, however once they do reprint them there will be an "update" pack that will be sold that will contain the corrected cards.
BO
boxwood
2014-02-12 16:50 UTC
#3
Your small cards are correct, the matriarch used to have that big about playing cards from her deck when fowl cards entered play from her deck on the fowl cards. They changed that to get rid of shenanigans that happens with hair trigger reflexes.
SW
Swoo
2014-02-13 00:28 UTC
#4
Hello.
I'm slightly confused.
I have the Matriarch card from the Rook City expansion (not the combined RC+IR).
Is the Matriarch supposed to Regain HP on "Her Avian Majesty side"?
My card has the Matriarch deal damage if heroes do not destroy an equippement or ongoing when a fowl is destoyed.
If I'm allowed a slight off topic question are there any other Rook City cards that had errata aside the Matriarch deck in the RC+IR combined box?
I would like to know since I bought the RC+IR combined expansion (couldn't find IR on its own anywhere in the UK) but I was planning ons elling the RC cards.
AM
Ameena
2014-02-13 14:15 UTC
#5
On her front side, when you destroy a Fowl, Lilian will deal damage to the highest-hp hero unless they destroy one of their cards - so that person can choose which of the two effects happens to them, basically. But that's every time a Fowl is destroyed, so if someone's doing an AE that's gonna take out a whole load of them, you're either gonna lose all your stuff or take a lot of damage (unless you have soak in which case yay :D). More so if Muninn is out (and even more if Huginn's there too).
On her flip side, Lilian regains hp every time a Fowl enters play…so if she chains a whole bunch of them then yes, she will heal up a lot (unless you're in the Time Cataclysm with Oppressive Smog out - I think that's the only effect in the game currently which reduces healing).
I think a few typos and stuff may have been corrected in the new version (I have the old one, like you), like the Checmical Explosion and stuff. The main change to Lilian's deck, as far as I'm aware, was that the "When a Fowl card enters play, play the top card of the villain deck" text was moved from the Fowl cards to Lilian's, because otherwise you could prevent them chaining via Hairtrigger Reflexes (Expatriette).
SW
Swoo
2014-02-13 18:05 UTC
#6
Thanks for the clarafication.
I was a bit confused due to the OP saying "The normal villian card, on the front of the card there are 2 sentances more than on the villian oversized card, they are. Whenever a fowl card enters play, The Matriarch regains H minus 2 HP. "
EN
Envisioner
2014-02-15 01:35 UTC
#7
You in fact never could, it just looked as if you could. The new rules reflect what was the reality all along.
LY
lynkfox
2014-02-15 03:57 UTC
#8
Never is rather strong. And incorrect.
The original ruling, of Effects happen in the order they were played meant that Hairtrigger was first out before the fowl cards, sparking the 1 point hit. The card would be destroyed before it had a chance to use its Bring into Play ability.
AL
Arcanist_Lupus
2014-02-15 06:15 UTC
#9
Perhaps it would be better to say that it was never intended to be possible? (Although I in fact don't know, as I wasn't around at the time that was all being figured out)
MC
McBehrer
2014-02-15 16:18 UTC
#10
That's a bit better. It was technically possible by the WORDING of the rules from the beginning, but the INTENT was never in favor of that.
PH
phantaskippy
2014-02-15 16:57 UTC
#11
Yes the official word from Christopher was that despite the rules saying that Hairtrigger would occur before a new fowl card was pulled it was not intended to play that way and the top card of the deck being played should be resolved first.