Hopes for Dark Legacy

I'm assuming that Dark Legacy will be the reveal on Tuesday.  I think most people believe that the death of his daughter is what makes him crack and go evil.  I hope that his backstory reveals that it is the Vengeful Five that is responsible for her death.  This would continue the generational feud between him and Baron Blade AND get more people excited for the next expansion, hopefully getting the kickstarter over $150,000.

Being that he's my favorite hero, I also hope that he eventually turns back to being a good guy.

Personally I'm thinking that the storyline for Shattered Timelines was for the Sentinels to fix all the problems that had created the dystopian future. So I think they would have to have stopped Blade from killing young Legacy. Also, I'm hoping that they eventually release her as a stand-alone deck of her own. Standing on her own two feet and all, outside of her daddy's shadow.

I get the feeling that this iteration of Legacy comes from a crapsack future that doesn't get better, since Visionary travels to the past (present Sentinels setting) to prevent her terrible present from ever happening.  I don't think OUR Legacy is ever gonna go down that path, but I doubt this ST Legacy Villain is gonna be redeemed...unless, of course, "You've been redeemed" is Redeemer Fanatic's catch phrase after she takes down a villain.

I will never again be able to think of Fanatic without hearing her as a Southern Baptist breath preacher.  "You've been reedeemed-ah!"

I hate you just a little bit for that.

Hehe, actually kinda reminds me of Twisted Metal Black.  There was a guy that drove an El Camino, and he would launch faithful church goers strapped with dynamite at the enemies, and they would scream "REPENT!" as they flew through the air, right before they blew up on you.  As a result, any time I see/hear the word "repent", I see/hear that game saying it in my head.

I want Baby Legacy to stay dead and Daddy Legacy to stay angry in his timeline.  This ain't Marvel, for Pete's sake.

The Vengeful Five can't be from the same timeline as Angry Legacy, because that would mean Fright Train were simultaneously a good guy (Engine of War Bunker) and a bad guy (Fright Train).

The angry Legacy is in the future though, the Vengeful Five could still be the ones that cause Young Legacy's death and then Vengeful Five may break apart at some point or Fright Train turns a new leaf and finds himself a old Bunker suit that he hollows out and fights under his rival's old mantle.

My bad!  Guess you'll just have to play with vanilla Fanatic to wash the preacher out of your brain!  For what it's worth, you've now given that image to me.  You will not suffer alone!

If the Vengeful Five did kill young Legacy do you really think future Legacy would have any truck with a hero team that included one of her killers? I'm thinking her killers are dead dead dead (and possibly people who helped her killers too).

I'm guessing Legacy was done with the Freedom (#) long before Fright Train came into the mix regardless of the Vengeful Five being responsible for the death of Young Legacy or not.

I would suspect The Assistant of the murder. She knows everything about the Legacy family, and is seen by them as friend or at least not as a threat. She could easily arrange to destroy Legacy's life and family...

Right.

But if grief-fueled Legacy goes out and immediately lets out his anger on Young Legacy's killers, which is being speculated as being the Vengeful Five, I don't see Fright Train surviving the experience to later join the Freedom (#). I conclude from this that either Legacy does not go out and go all Killer McdarkLegacy immediately (which I dismiss… because I just see him shattering almost instantly) or that the Vengeful Five were not part of the crew that killed Young Legacy. I also dismis the idea of the V5 killing her after Fright Train leaves because I think a mind warped by grief to this extent would hold all members of V5 accountable, whether past, present or future (and I don't get the feeling that the "Fright Train Bunker edition" is hiding out/there for his protection).

Thought these are just my wild speculations.

Oooooo, nice speculation, very dark. Although, wasn't the Assistant a runner up in the villain contest? And the Multiverse story had been planned out long before that.

You never know, with time travel And retcons happen all the time in comics

She is probably not the one responsible (if there is a murder) but she would be a good suspect. Even if she just "helped" the killer by giving him informations in secret… Or framed someone else.

But anyway, with GtG, I expect the unexpected, we will know soon.

Those are good points, Matchstickman.  I would personally prefer if it was Baron Blade, considering their whole rivalry thing.  It's like Death in the Family.  Jason Todd didn't get offed by The Penguin.  It was Bats Archnemesis:  The Joker.  Granted, Sentinels is far more than a carbon copy of DC and Marvel, but I'd be more than a bit disappointed if I found out Young Legacy was killed by Citizen Spring.  Or Hippocalypse.

My biggest fear is that current Legacy will somehow be responsible for Young Legacy's death.  (Baron Blade makes him choose between saving Megalopolis or his daughter?)  Then I really don't see him coming  back to the good side after that.

Or perhaps the Vengefull 5 are indeed responsable of Young Legacy death, more or less directly. Then Legacy turn himself to angry legacy and first killed Baron Blade, then go tracking the other ones.

The Freedom Five are ashamed of the act of their leader and try to reason/stop him. When Angry Legacy took on Fright Train, Bunker sacrifice himself to save the life of his old army buddy. Having a conscience crisis at what he done and the death of his old friend Fright Train switch side and take the identity of the fallen Bunker as a way to redeem himself and join the F6 and stop Angry Legacy.

All make perfect Comics sense :p

Except the part where you say that Fright Train and Bunker are buddies.

Vance and Graves HATE one another. Graves doesn't respect Vance until he gets a promotion and at that point he follows the chain of command. While your point seems plausable - I don't see it as Bunker saving the life of a friend, but possibly just saving a life in general and doing the right thing.

Although it does bring up the bigger question I've been having - what DOES happen to bunker? Legacy doesn't have any abilities that could vaporize the Bunker Suit - maybe pummel it into mush...but even I don't think he would be that excessive (although I could be wrong!)
I do think that Bunker missing has to be connected to Young Legacy's Death. Maybe stopping a bomb or something?

Your point has some merit to it, Fright Train taking up the Bunker suit as a way to redeem himself is something some villians have done when they've changed sides.  Although I would like to believe that Graves just knows Military mechanized units and protocal that he's able to drive a suit that fits him.

Sure they are rivals and dont like each other very much. But they know each other for very long, have a lot more in common than with their respective team-mates.

I really think that when you have been adversary for so long, for such grudged warrior, some king of bondings happen, as a favorite foe. I also think that is why Fright Train is not the real nemesis of Bunker, more a favorite ennemy than a lethal foe.

I cant totally see Fright Train realise that with the lose of Bunker he lost what he had that is closest to a sibbling, a rival sibbling with which you spent more time arguing and fighting but someone that is very close to you in a kind of wicked way.

♪ ♫ Could it be, that you need me

To keep you out, to run you faster? ♪ ♫

♪ ♫ Promise me you'll let me be the one…

The worst of all your enemies, ♪ ♫

♪ ♫ Pretending you're a friend to me,

Say that we'll be… nemeses. ♪ ♫

I met Christopher on JoCo Cruise Crazy

I kinda hopped the 125k promo might have been a Dark Legacy Hero card before he became a Villian.

Not nessisarily. Perhaps Fright Train might have had a change of heart after seeing what horrors his team made when they killed Young Legacy.

But that's semantics, though.

I'm thinking best case scenario will be that the heros kill and/or bring Dark Legacy to justice and attempt to pick up the pieces. Like the end of the Dragon Ball Z Cell Saga. People will still be dead, but things will get better… probably.

I'm not sure the other Freedom Six members would work with a guy who had killed Young Legacy, or helped to kill her.

Except if he actually tried to save her.

I picture Fright Train as a mainly macho man, always into the physical conflict and a mercenary doing his job. He is heavy muscle, but I dont picture him as innerently evil ala Baron Blade. I dont think that killing a young woman cold blooded is the kind of things he could do. Perhaps he did try to help and that is the reason why they try to save him from Legacy.

On a related note : Young Legacy got her father invulnerability AND laser beam eyes. If Baron Blade had to ressort to crashing the moon in order to kill Legacy, what in the hell did he use to kill Young Legacy ?

Tell her she was fat while holding up a mirror?

In that case I think she would have killed him

Freedom Four Annual #1 has the answers.

And this is why comic fans tend not to like alternate timelines, movie tie-ins, time-travellin/dimension-hopping heroes. Especially released "simultaneously" with a set announced in the present timeline.

I see it as this.

Consider Shattered Timelines a whole new world in its own. It’s an alternate future.

VENGEANCE (only way to spell it is with all caps!) is set in the EE timeline.

ST Bunker is the “same” person as VENGEANCE Fright Train except from a different timeline!

Ultimate Sentinels

I'm looking forward to playing Legacy's daddy and Young Legacy against Dark Legacy.

"Son, I think it's time for... a family intervention!"

"Freedom Six next issue : Oedipus Rising !"

What if you have three Legacy decks, and play Greatest, Finest, and Youngest Legacy against Future Legacy?

Coolest fight ever.

YES

YES

YES.

But, i think you can only have one limited card in play. Like only One legacy ring. therwise, 3 Inspiring Presences with Galvanize? Young Legacy will be doing 7 energy damage a turn! More with US Legacy. 

I thought I remembered Christopher once saying that you could technically play more than one Legacy if you have enough decks. I think I remember him saying you couldn't play as Wraith alongside Rook City Wraith because they're the same person, but you could potentially play as more than one Legacy if you had enough decks. So assuming this Greatest Legacy is another person, it'd be okay to play with him too.

By this logic, you could play as Bunker and Engine Bunker if you had two Bunker decks.

But I could be totally wrong about this. I swear I remember this being said (at Gen Con 2011), but I might just have a false memory.

With this entire timeline business, even the `it's the same person' thing doesn't really hold up anymore :D

I don't have the rulebook in front of me right now. But, when a limited card is already in play, can I play the same limited card (i.e. inspiring presence)? Am I disallowed to play the second limited card? Or when I play the second limited card, the first gets destroyed and replaced?

This will affect how I will play *3* generations of Legacy on the same team.

And it will slightly affect Savage Junkyard.

limited: A Keyword appearing on Hero cards. Limited cards are unique, in that only one card of that name can be in play at one time. If a Limited card with the same name as a Limited card already in play would come into play, the second card is put into the appropriate Trash instead.

Note, however, that in the "normal" game, there are no two decks with the same limited cards. Playing with versions of the same hero with the same deck is a variant. I see no problem in assuming that "limited" only works for cards of the deck of one given hero - if you have two Legacies in the same team, they each have a different deck, and can both have the same limited card in play.

There's a thread around these forums somewhere in which Rabit discussed three different ways to play multiple Legacy decks at the same time. 

My remembrance of that is that the easiest, but most boring way to do it is to have each deck pretend the other one doesn't exist. Finest and Newest Legacy can both have the Legacy ring.

The other two methods were about different slices of which cards affected each other and included a tradeoff between how much you needed to remember about which cards affected the other versus how overpowered the decks became.

Back in November last year, I ask Christopher exactly the scope of Limited cards.  He said it's scoped to the table and title.  That means, only one card for a given card title can be on the table at a time if the card is limited.  At the time (and even at this time) there are no cards between different decks with the same name, let alone limited cards of that nature.  When I asked him if two different decks would ever have cards with the same name and limited, he said "Maybe," in his usual Christopher demeanor.

Anyone else will predict, who Dark Legacy's Nemisis is?

Unless its suppose to be normal Legacy from the normal timeline.

Dark Legacy (I'm actually betting on his name being The Final Legacy) will have 6 nemeses.

Citation: http://gfbrobot.com/2012/10/31/house-rules-46-shattered-timelines-announcements/

Tachyon

Bunker

Wraith

Tempest

Unity

AZ

I'm actually betting you are wrong, on both counts.

Though last night I also thought of the name "Final Legacy", and I'd actually have preferred that more.

What about "Birthright" ?

It's here, although the formatting is messed up and I won't have time to clean it up.

It's been alluded to that there is a villain with multiple nemeses, and Legacy would easily fit as a nemesis to all of the Freedom Force (well, not THAT Freedom Force, but you get the idea).

Oh, well that's all good summary of gameplay options. Thanks!

Even the nemeses thing? But…but…the podcast!

While playing multiple Legacies sounds fun, I wonder if this would pertain more to Dark Legacy playing his Legacy Ring, thereby discarding Good Legacy's ring. 

What about 'Broken Legacy'?

OOOO. I like that.

Survey says…

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Guess again. I'll give you a hint. Go back and re-read the Update on Freedom Six. The final Villain's name is forshadowed .

Iron Fist Legacy O.o?

That brings up would it be possible to play all of the Freedom Six against this villan? Or would the game break cause of this.

Iiiiiit's possible to play with 6 heroes against any villain. Sometimes it's more appropriate than others. calmly walks back to the playtesting forums while whistling

Guess I wasn't off to far. 
Maybe we should move to the discussion to the Iron Legacy thread.

A few villains actually do break with more than five players (Plage Rat will never be able to infect all heroes if there are more than 5).  Iron Legacy does not appear to break, but villains are not tested for more than 5 heroes (although, in this case specifically, I can see many people testing with six or seven heroes).

And here I was hoping his name would be Gauntlet: Dark Legacy.

Seriously, though.  This guy is awesome.  And I guess we won't have to worry about him playing a Limited Legacy Ring since he tossed it into his daughter's grave.

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