121 posts · 14888 views · started 2012-11-05 15:18 UTC
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Spiff
2012-11-05 15:18 UTC
#1
NOTE: This villain used to be called "The Assistant", but on Jan 3, 2013 it was revealed that this was... misinformation and her name is really "Miss Information". Oh, the puns! So, be forewarned and don't be confused by a thread that refers to a villain by an old name.
So... anyone out there planning on running to their friends and saying, "Oh man, you GOTTA back this Kickstarter! I mean, we just hit a new reward level, and now we get to fight the superhero's executive assistant! Wicked!"? ;)
My wife thinks the new villain is creative, but I think you still need to leaven your creativity with awesomeness. This villain seems to have plenty of the former and be a bit lacking in the latter...
(I know an Assistant discussion has already started in one of the other many jumbled topics all related to the Kickstarter, but it's getting hard to find things, so I thought I'd separate this one out into its own thread).
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TheSoundOfTrees
2012-11-05 15:32 UTC
#2
This is the promo Villain - the Awesome, Epic, fear-inspiring ones will be those in the expansion (or I hope so).
We also have to remember that we know nothing but her name, picture, backstory and unflipped description -nothing about her game play. She is not the most awe-inspiring villain at first sight, but she may be our worst nightmare when we'll play against her :) Let's hope we'll know more about her gameplay (and the game play of each deck in the expansion) as we reach new updates...
But I agree that, right now, she is not an easy sell, but as a reward for fans, I think she works, by adding more backstory to the Freedom Five - and more drama.
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cgrater
2012-11-05 15:44 UTC
#3
I will say that, as of right now, the expansion has some absolutely epic, awesome, and brutal villains with some amazing new mechanics. I expect similar from The Assistant
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Spiff
2012-11-05 16:21 UTC
#4
I will preface all my statements by admitting that I hated the Argent Adept when I first saw him because I thought his name, costume, and concept were weak, but I've grown to enjoy him quite a bit. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Still, it seems like even if The Assistant were changed to be Kid Freedom, a sidekick who had the exact same thing happen to him (died in the future, went back to his past self to do... something), we'd have something along the lines of Syndrome from The Incredibles, and the awesome factor would be raised considerably.
Seriously though, if there end up to be one-shots where the villain deals (H-1) heroes coffee damage, or they get stuck doing filing and so have to skip their turn, I'll be very sad.
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VanceAttack
2012-11-05 16:22 UTC
#5
I'll be the first to admit that I was skeptical when I saw the Assistant. I've come to terms with her now and look forward to playing her. I just hope we can hit that extra environment.
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EvanDan55
2012-11-05 16:44 UTC
#6
Yeah, my initial thoughts were "How the heck is this going to work?" But when you think about it, this entry made second place. Here's the thing: I've seen a ton of good entries on the other threads that had awesome gameplay mechanics and terrifying villains to boot. So basically, I see it like this: The Assisant's level of terror is going to come from her deck. I think she's going to be holding people hostage, and sabotaging our things before we go out into battle.
Essentially, this villain is going to be all about themeing and story. She has decided to take revenge on the heroes, and she plans it out carefully. The battle against her is going to take place after she's done everything she needs to. So while we're tracking down this crazed-woman, suddenly, all of our equipment fails! She had prepared for that before she went off, possibly seeking out those five people we saved instead of her and killing them. She might be like Spite; tracking down victims like those five people (or even the heroes' families), but instead of a drug-powered killer, she'll just be a venegeful, unexpected killer.
When we're attacking her, we're not actually blasting her with fire or punches--we're tracking her down while she exacts whatever revenge she has planned.
Like I said: if this got second place, she's got to have something wicked in store, but she's hiding it very well.
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lugaru
2012-11-05 18:04 UTC
#7
I was quiet about it on the main thread since I had little to add, but I guess I can voice my opinion here since it is a thread dedicated to a mostly unknown villain.
Basically I wont go running to my friends and tell them about the new villain until I know what the gimmick is. I'm guessing she has intimate knowledge about the heroes, therefore she has very specific ways of dealing with them. Basically I'm hoping for something mechanically similar to Heist, a popular villain submission who was able to subdue heroes by changing their past.
I can picture the assistant messing with equipment, dampering powers and attacking heroes where they are vulnerable, since she knows their identities and weaknesses. Also I will pay an extra $1 if she suits up in Bunker Armor at some point... lol...
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Cosmonaut_Zero
2012-11-05 18:30 UTC
#8
Seriously though, if there end up to be one-shots where the villain deals (H-1) heroes coffee damage, or they get stuck doing filing and so have to skip their turn, I'll be very sad.
Are you kidding, that sounds hilarious! Even better: skip your turn and sort your deck by card title in alphabetical order, and it hangs out as an ongoing that gives you "POWER: destroy this card to shuffle your deck."
Not every villain needs to be Apostate. Having a handful of less-serious comic relief type villains would be a good thing, IMO. Especially with all the crazy elseworlds-ish time bending stuff going on in ST, and with how heavy some of the other themes of the expansion are. There's a lot of comedy in the flavor text, but we haven't seen a really outlandish funny villain until now.
Plus, $5 says her flip side has her maniacally flipping out and it does look classically villainous. And suitably awesome.
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decker_cky
2012-11-05 19:11 UTC
#9
Since her dying actually is in the future, maybe part of her plan is to kill those 5 people so she doesn't die in the future. That could be her victory mechanic possibly.
But I assume she'll have cards that send the heroes into a trap unprepared, has their equipment fail (some destroy equipment and possibly ongoing cards), counters their powers by knowing their weaknesses (no powers for a turn type card). Maybe her deck could include some of the typical planted evidence that turns the city against a hero? She probably will be immune to damage until revealed, then have low HP to represent her being a not so super villain.
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Spiff
2012-11-05 19:25 UTC
#10
All this assuming is my problem in a nutshell. It's not obvious why this villain is awesome, so people have to assume there's probably some as-yet-unrevealed reason why she'll be awesome. I want to believe, but am not quite there yet.
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decker_cky
2012-11-05 19:38 UTC
#11
Do you have some reason, without assuming, to know that La Capitain will be awesome? To back a game early, you have to be trusting that the devs will do a good job, and from the Sentinels games I've played, they've earned the right to be a bit more off the wall (particularly with a non-core promo character).
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Reckless
2012-11-05 19:51 UTC
#12
The Matriarch was born in Rook City. Next to the mall.
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IKerensky
2012-11-05 20:12 UTC
#13
Oh, and to avoid another A(E)mbuscade moment, if "La Capitain" is supposed to be French it should be "La Capitaine", if it is Spanish or in reference of swashbuckling it should be "La Capitan" (with an accent on the last a).
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TheJayMann
2012-11-05 20:22 UTC
#14
It is spanish, and it is 'La Capitán.' (Or, at least, I'm assuming it is, with any lack of accent due to the "complexity" involved with writing one with an American English keyboard. Or maybe it's just because accents aren't cool anymore.)
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Ameena
2012-11-05 20:44 UTC
#15
Is that pronounced "ca-pit-AN" or "ca-pit-EN"?
About the Assistant…I think it's cool to have such a variety of villains. You can go from a rampaging sentient robot factory to an alien warlord from another planet/galaxy, to a woman in a feathery mask who makes zillions of birds appear. If you think about it, the Matriarch doesn't look that threatening when she's just standing there. It's only when the skies darken that you start worrying, eh? The Assistant probably acts mainly through employing a variety of Sneaky Bastard tactics. And I bet she has/does something that really kicks arse :P.
Oh, something that's been bugging me about the Matriarch - why is she Tachyon's Nemesis? I re-read her biography in the Rook City booklet yesterday but it doesn't give any mention. As far as I can remember, all the other Nemeses make sense (eg Ra versus all the other Egyptian gods), or their reason for hating each othe is given in their bios. But the Matriarch has Tachyon's symbol on her card, yet neither references the other in their bios…well, Tachyon was around before the Rook City expansion came out, of course, so the Matriarch didn't exist then. But still…
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koutrou
2012-11-05 20:51 UTC
#16
The Matriarch is Tachyon's cousin, IIRC, and she is resentful for Tachyon being so successful.
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Greonhal
2012-11-05 20:53 UTC
#17
I can't remember where I read it, but I seem to recall seeing it mentioned that The Matriarch and Tachyon are cousins. So The Matriarch kept hearing from her parents about why she can't be more like her successful scientist cousin.
Edit: Yay, double ninja!
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AnachronismAxe
2012-11-05 20:53 UTC
#18
Tachyon is The Matriarch's cousin. I believe The Matriarch was jealous of Tachyon's success.
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Spiff
2012-11-05 21:13 UTC
#19
Do you have some reason, without assuming, to know that La Capitain will be awesome?
I feel comfortable assuming that a time-travelling pirate will be awesome. Even if her mechanics turn out to not be awesome, her concept already is. If there's something awesome about The Assistant (even the name puts me to sleep), we have yet to see it.
Maybe her mechanics will make her the most incredible villain ever, but if potential customers don't get past the bland packaging to find out how great your product is inside, that's a fail. I want everything this company does to be awesome both outside and in so that it has the greatest possible chance at success.
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Ameena
2012-11-05 21:20 UTC
#20
Wow, three answers all at once, lol. Where does it say that, though? Was it posted on the forum somewhere? People seem to know a lot more about these characters than is given in their bios, so presumably more info has been released at earlier times (ie, before I joined this forum ;)) which the longer-standing members are more aware of. I can't even remember most of the heroes' real names ;).
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Reckless
2012-11-05 21:28 UTC
#21
Her "very successful cousin" is Tachyon. The 17 year-old girl's parents compared her to her cousin who has a doctorate, revolutionized the fields of energy use, medicine, etc., and is a super hero. Who is more than twice her age, by the way. The real villain is The Matriarch's parents comparing a little girl to a superhero scientist, in my opinion.
EDIT: And then I was super late to the game. My bad! Made a customer a latte and before I know it I'm slowpoking it up with Nemesis explanation!
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koutrou
2012-11-05 21:31 UTC
#22
Legacy: Paul Parsons
Tachyon: Meredith Stinson
AZ: Ryan Frost
Bunker: Tyler Vance
Wraith: Maia something or other
Haka: …Haka?
Ra: Blake Washington
Tempest: er…
Visionary: Vanessa Long
Expatriot: Errr…
Fixer: 'Slim'
And I haven't the slightest clue about the rest.
I believe Tach/Matriarch's relationship was somewhere on a previous post, because I know there has been a post about why they are nemesis. The most entertaining things can be pulled from flavor text, like Adept found the first instrument while in the presence of an untransformed Ra.
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beevolant
2012-11-05 21:32 UTC
#23
I saw the update and my first thought was that The Assistant was going to be awesome. Imagine if Pepper Potts or Moneypenny could do if they decided that they hated Iron Man/James Bond, especially if she kept it secret. So cool. I'm super excited for this villain.
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Reckless
2012-11-05 21:40 UTC
#24
Haka is Aata (I cannot remember the rest), Fixer is H.R. (Henry Robert, I believe) "Slim" Walker, Wraith is Maia Montgomery, Tempest is M'kk Dall'ton (Mack Dalton on Earth), Expat is Amanda Cohen. Ra is Blake Washington, Jr. Fanatic was given a name at a convent (I cannot remember it, currently), Nightmist is Faye Diamond, and Argent Adept is Anthony Drake. I cannot remember Unity's name...
I think those are right, but I didn't double check before posting.
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Braithwhite
2012-11-05 21:44 UTC
#25
My guess, based on that the reward picture of the Assistant has no HP listed, is that her mechanic is going to revolve around being a modifier/enhancer for existing villains. So you play her along with a regular villain, and she kicks the difficulty up a notch by sabotaging equipment, misplacing requisitions, and generally making it harder to get things done. Maybe once she flips she reveals herself, and you can go after her?
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pwatson1974
2012-11-05 22:05 UTC
#26
Or she has no HP on tha side because she's not a target when she's stealthily plotting from within. It's only when her diaboloical plans for prevenge are revealed that the heroes realise she's a threat and can target her and she gets hit points.
Or the hit ponts were left off for some reason and the real version will have some.
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TheJayMann
2012-11-05 22:16 UTC
#27
In the beginning, The Chairman on his initial side actually was not a target, and thus could not be the target for damage until flipped. However, that was changed after a couple revisions he became a target on his initial side, and he was made immune to all damage.
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EvanDan55
2012-11-06 00:17 UTC
#28
I'd honestly prefer it if The Assistant was her own villain. I think that would make her a lot more interesting. If she is an additional obstactle in the fight, I don't see her being used as often, honestly.
I can take a solid guess and say that The Assistant has to be awesome. After all, she made second place in the villain creation contest. She has to have something that makes her worthy of that place. Also, I think she's just going to be a normal villain and not an add-on, because I feel like it would be unlikely for someone to make a contest entry thinking "I'm going to submit something that isn't a villain and would throw in a completely new mechanic to this game." It's more likely that The Assistant is just going to be a cleverly done villain deck.
I didn't exactly run and tell my friends about her in joy--really, I just ran and told them so we could all ponder this villain. It's a complete curveball. So really I'm just excited because this is one of the bigger mysteries about the game (currently).
Just to lay something down: as a playtester, I can assure you, La Capitan is quite awesome.
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Katsue
2012-11-06 00:24 UTC
#29
My guess is that the picture has no HP listed for the same reason that none of the initial promo pictures during the Infernal Relics Kickstarter had HP listed.
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Braithwhite
2012-11-06 01:50 UTC
#30
I went back and looked, and you are absolutely correct. I checked the Rook city kickstarter as well, and what you said holds up, with one VERY important caveat.
The base artwork for all promos, new heroes, and new villains doesn't have HP or anything else listed. it is just the artwork. However, in every instance I could find (links to follow) where it was more than just the base artwork- HP was listed.
What I see with the Assistant is that the card has a subtitle, text, even the nemesis circle. It is NOT base artwork. It is in every respect, a fully functional card, just one without HP. To me, this suggests that the Assistant has no HP to list.
Ambuscade has a mechanic where he cannot take damage, but even on the side of the card that renders him immune to damage, he has HP.
While I could be wrong, and certainly have been in the past, I do not believe that the Assistant has HP- at all. that then suggests to me that there is an alternative way of beating her (some sort of plot the heroes must resolve), or she is someone who is to be played in conjunction with a standard villain.
Obviously, time will tell. And I'm quite happy to say that I'm wrong (and crazy) if I'm off-base.
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arenson9
2012-11-06 02:21 UTC
#31
This.
Mind you, I do have faith that she'll be awesome, but it's faith rather than a reaction to what I've seen of The Assistant so far.
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AnachronismAxe
2012-11-06 02:23 UTC
#32
Considering that her reason for hating the heroes is the fact that they failed to save her (or to be more precise, will fail to save her) by choosing to save those other five people, perhaps it's entirely about some cards that are in her deck which require the heroes to save her and the five strangers in order to win. In that case, not having her as a target would make sense.
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Blossercubbles
2012-11-06 02:54 UTC
#33
I cannot even begin to imagine that the second place submission in the villain contest would just be a rider. That, to me, is ridiculous. And, being runner up in said contest, The Assistant must have solid mechanics that thus make her deserve the spot here, and I am ecstatic to be able to play with her in the future, since I had assumed every submission other than La Capitan would be nothing more than a topic on this very forum.
If she is indeed not a target, then that would require a very tight deck and I would be very interested in watching her plans play out...hmm...now I almost hope that she isn't a target, just to see what would happen! I mean, I still find it hard to believe that Legacy would joyfully punch the face off of his 'Finest Assistant.'
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ketigid
2012-11-06 05:18 UTC
#34
Curious, why change from no HP to with HP but immuned to dmg?
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Reckless
2012-11-06 05:27 UTC
#35
The lack of status as a Target, I would imagine. I wasn't involved in RC Playtesting, but by giving him HP he can soak up damage from Environment effects and such. Makes him quite the pill.
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Koga
2012-11-06 05:28 UTC
#36
Probably to keep him as a target for things like highest HP and such so that things like that go to waste. The Assistant could be different, she may keep the no HP on her front side, as they don't know she's the villain yet, whereas they are already going after The Chairman, they just have to go through his lackeys first.
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Veet
2012-11-06 07:07 UTC
#37
I will hold off on total judgement untill I see what her deck is like but I have to admit when I first saw this my inital reaction was " What the heck is this?". I can see a few ways this can work, perhaps her deck is filled with minor villains that the heroes go out to fight while she sabotages behind the scenes until she flips and is revealed, or more likely some other mechanic I've not considered.
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jagarciao
2012-11-06 07:46 UTC
#38
I agree. I take it on faith that she will be awesome for all the reasons stated in previous posts (>Games hasn't done me wrong yet, she IS the runner-up in a list of pretty cool villains, etc.)… but IMO she is definitely more of a treat for the fans than a real draw for new players.
If you just scroll through the cards that have been revealed so far you have 7 awesome-looking heroes and one "interesting" villain, I will wait to see what (hopefully awesome) villain is revealed tomorrow before I start a new promo-blitz campaign to my non-gamer friends.
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LCinn
2012-11-06 07:50 UTC
#39
Huh, my reaction was a lot more positive than that of many people here. It's funny, original and intriguing and works very well as a promo villain. I don't understand why people are so underwhelmed. Is it just because superhero PA's usually function on the background that it seems boring? Because the idea of someone so close yet so invisible turning against the heroes in secret actually seems pretty scary to me, and would make a great story arc in many comic series.
And as others have said, I doubt you get to second place by just a `huh, the assistant, that's clever'. There's a solid, original mechanic underneath this, and if you think about it, the lack of obvious super powers and the like only guarantees this. As a villain, she has to pose a threat, after all.
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Reckless
2012-11-06 08:38 UTC
#40
Has anyone else noticed a ghostly streak from the bottom left of the card (It seems to be coming from the keyboard) to the top right? Do we think that's something or is it just me scrutinizing too much?
Also, I think her Nemesis is Curly Bracket, The Pugnacious Punctuation of Progress. He'll cross your teeths and chop your eyes! Oxford comma? More like rocks your genre! He strikes with carpal tunnel and bad marks from your English teacher.
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TheJayMann
2012-11-06 14:06 UTC
#41
Well, really, the reason that The Chairman takes no damage is because at that time, the heroes do not know who the leader of this organized crime syndicate is. They know only of The Operative, and find various underbosses and thugs. After defeating so many underbosses, they manage to extract enough information to figure out that the leader is actually Chairman Pike, and now can go after him (as he is no longer immune to all damage). That would likely be the reason for him to not be a target at all, and it probably became an issue as the setup could potentially (even though unlikely) lead to a situation where there were no non-hero targets.
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Spiff
2012-11-06 15:10 UTC
#42
Because the idea of someone so close yet so invisible turning against the heroes in secret actually seems pretty scary to me
That makes sense if you're playing as the Freedom Five, but what if you're playing with some other assortment of heroes that night? Why would Mr. Fixer, Nightmist, or Fanatic pay the slightest bit of attention to the FF's slightly ill-tempered secretary, and why would she care about them? They weren't the ones who let her die. Do we think that The Assistant is going to knock over a bank or try to stop the FF by blowing up the world?
I suppose it wouldn't be the end of the world to have a villain that was designed to be a perfect match with a particular set of heroes, but only weakly themed for other matchups. However, even Ambuscade, who has a very tight relationship to Haka, can easily be seen to be hunting any hero you felt like playing. I hope that will be the case with The Assistant too.
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gigiikun
2012-11-06 15:40 UTC
#43
From a bad villain eye all heroes are enemies, so she will attack them even if Mr. Fixer, … does not wanted to attack back.
I think in the past GTG did not think about a Villain without HP, so that is why the chairman has HPs with damage immunity. As long as we know nearly nothing about the Assistant we can fight each other, but possibly this is the Assistant's plan .
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Christopher
2012-11-06 16:36 UTC
#44
As mentioned earlier, The Chairman originally did not have HP.
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Cosmonaut_Zero
2012-11-06 17:32 UTC
#45
High five, man. High five.
Spiff, imagine this scenario: the Freedom Five figure out who's been messing with them a moment to late. Just as Tachyon drops her sandwich and turns to look at The Assistant in horror she's caught in a stasis beam. Her face twists into a mask of rage and sadness before being frozen in time, motionless. If even the fastest woman in the world isn't fast enough, the others have no chance. Traps designed to exploit each of their weaknesses spring and capture them before they can move a muscle. The Assistant's thirst for revenge prevents her from merely slitting their throats. No, she has something much more… satisfying in mind. Each of them feels a prick on their neck from the anesthetic injection and they fade from consciousness, their trusted secretary's bitter laughter ringing in their ears.
The Assistant puts each of them in power-neutralizing shackles and dangles their limp bodies helplessly above specially tailored contraptions to end them in the most painful way. She'll wait until they all regain consciousness, of course. None of this would be worth a thing if she squandered her opportunity to finally hear their screams and taste of their despair.
Earth's greatest heroes are on the verge of annihilation, and it's up to Mr. Fixer, Nightmist, Fanatic and Omnitron-X to save them. Can they set aside their differences and stop The Assistant? Or will they, like the Freedom Five before them, be one moment too late?
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Spiff
2012-11-06 17:46 UTC
#46
That sounds great. Can't wait to find out if it's true. :)
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Blossercubbles
2012-11-06 20:39 UTC
#47
ExcxcExcellent post, Cosmonaut Zero!
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ax0r
2012-11-07 05:32 UTC
#48
On a slightly unrelated tangent, does anyone think The Assistant should perhaps be renamed? We have a surfeit of villains beginning with 'A'.
Ambuscade, Akash'Bhuta, Apostate and now The Assistant.
Plus, the Assistant makes her sound like she's playing second fiddle, like even when she's an evil villain, she's just somebody's PA. I'd put a vote in for 'The Secretary', myself.
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Alex
2012-11-07 10:39 UTC
#49
But if Dilbert has taught us anything, secretaries are already deceitful and misanthropic. Nobody'd be surprised if one of them turned out to be a supervillain. Or at least, the ones who are the secretaries of sociopaths are.
"Why didn't you Friend me on Facebook?"
"Because I'm not your friend. I'm a disgruntled underling who hopes you die in a freak industrial accident tomorrow at 4:30 PM."
"That was... disturbingly specific."
"Oh, that reminds me! Your next meeting is scheduled at the warehouse."
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beevolant
2012-11-07 18:25 UTC
#50
This is exactly where my brain went with the Assistant too. I kind of hope that through the play testing process they decide to make it so that she can't be a target on her starting side… or possibly make her a target with like 10 HP and on her starting side you try to save her since you mistakenly think that she's your helpless PA and then she flips and bam! Super villain!
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Alex
2012-11-07 19:24 UTC
#51
At the risk of spoilers, I think I can safely say that as of now this villain seems to be something along those lines.
Probably shouldn't reveal any more, so all I will say is that The Assistant has some interesting mechanics and a lot of her cards sound hilarious.
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Blossercubbles
2012-11-07 20:42 UTC
#52
That is all I need to know, Alex! I am really looking forward to her (and La Capitan). I guess I'm just interested in beating women, or something...so many of my favourite enemies or PCs are female...I should probably look into that.
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Reckless
2012-11-07 22:40 UTC
#53
Blossercubbles…
Blossom
Buttercup
Bubbles
…Are you a Powerpuff Girls fan, Blossercubbles? Or am I just reading into things?
Because if you are…you have good taste.
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broccoli
2012-11-08 00:20 UTC
#54
Powerpuff Girls is awesome. I own the complete DVD collection.
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Ronway
2012-11-08 06:26 UTC
#55
Wow… Did not notice that. I saw the name and wondered to myself what it could mean.
Good ol' cartoons though, may the goodness return some day.
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broccoli
2012-11-08 20:26 UTC
#56
Then you should enjoy this expansion. And, you should seek help.
(This shouldn't be giving away that much, since La Capitan and Assistant have now been revealed).
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TheJayMann
2012-11-08 20:40 UTC
#57
The gender ratio of this expansion is heavily skewed, although, all previous releases has been heavily skewed the other direction, maybe this would even it out a bit. (Note, I haven't actually counted yet.)
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Blossercubbles
2012-11-08 20:44 UTC
#58
Wow. You, my dear, have hit the nail directly on the head, and happen to be the first person ever to do so, at least that has told me about it. Yep. The Powerpuff Girls are amazing, though I've still been unable to track a physical complete set…yet.
And yeah, with La Capitan being revealed today, I noticed that she isn't the masked woman on the side of the box, leading me to assume that we'll see THREE out of FIVE villains (at least) being female, and no female heroes, unless the promo is a lady as well. I'm glad to see more female representation when it comes to evildoing. Sedusa was one of my top villains from PPG, in fact, cementing it with the episode in which she portrayed Ima Goodlady.
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Reckless
2012-11-08 21:04 UTC
#59
And no boob windows so far! >G does a great job of making attractive female characters with classy taste in costumes (and functional shoes for Tachyon!).
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TheJayMann
2012-11-08 21:07 UTC
#60
Hmm... I thought it was stated that the woman on the side of the box was La Capitán.
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EvanDan55
2012-11-08 21:27 UTC
#61
I'm pretty sure Alex dropped a hint a while ago that the woman on the side of the box is his contest entry.
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lugaru
2012-11-08 21:27 UTC
#62
Well this is a "time and space" expansion so there might be a quantum boob window that materializes over the chest of a character, displaying cleavage from another moment and dimension.
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Flex_Apollo
2012-11-08 21:54 UTC
#63
A heroine with a boob window just begs for flavor text reading, "My fist is up here!"
>Games deserves kudos for many things. The fact that my four year old daughter noticed that there were so many "girl heroes" on daddy's cards than she sees on superhero shows is one of them. (The fact that I can safely allow my four year old daughter to look at the cards due to the classiness of the costumes is another.)
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Katsue
2012-11-09 00:14 UTC
#64
Well, now that La Capitán has been posted, I guess I should concede on this point. It looks like she is indeed not a Target on at least one side.
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EvanDan55
2012-11-09 14:27 UTC
#65
I agree with Flex Apollo. I'm glad this game actually puts the female heroes in practical outfits. It's a respectable touch. Honestly, the most revealing costume seems to be Visionary, and even then, hers isn't overtly revealing. I can respect their choice to do this. And I like it; it's a more honest depiction of what a female hero would dress like.
Heck, I think there's more bare-chested men showing off their muscles than women in barely-revealing costumes in the game. But I mean, hey, if I was built like Apostate, I wouldn't wear a shirt either.
LU
lugaru
2012-11-09 15:04 UTC
#66
Apostate is pretty vain… I hear he uses just for men to hide the gray in his wings.
The other thing about Sentinels is that if your daughter plays she runs the risk of growing up to be a CEO (Wraith), Scientist (Tachyon), Ingeneer (Unity). I might keep the Expatiette deck in the box though…
EV
EvanDan55
2012-11-09 16:13 UTC
#67
Good call, I've got a feeling that being exposed to the awesome Expatriette can influence young girls to remove their right eye and carry guns at all times.
LU
lugaru
2012-11-09 16:21 UTC
#68
Or blast daddy with a super soaker full of ice cubes during his nap.
"Eat liquid nitrogen rounds!".
FA
Flex_Apollo
2012-11-10 17:19 UTC
#69
I don't have Rook City, so my Sentinels is pretty much blood-free. Plus, she likes "playing" with the dividers and oversized villains cards.
I hadn't thought about what Sentinels has to say about women in the workplace. All of the super-scientists in the base game are female. What a great message - way better than the fashion model/designer version of the Wasp the Avengers has been selling her.
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Vyolynce
2012-11-10 17:28 UTC
#70
Although Tach's one-strap unitard is a little questionable, if only because that limits the possibilities for the support she would obviously need for moving at those speeds. I'm just going to assume that it's built in to the fabric somehow.
TH
TheSoundOfTrees
2012-11-10 18:50 UTC
#71
The Wraith's bathing suit is not what I would expect from a "crime fighter" - though other heroins proved that revealing some breast can distract many opponents and give a tactical avantadge.
VY
Vyolynce
2012-11-10 21:18 UTC
#72
Hey Wraith wears more than Visionary does. (We can count those bandage wraps as clothing, right?)
But still on the whole better than what actual comics would normally offer.
TH
TheSoundOfTrees
2012-11-10 22:20 UTC
#73
On this I agree. I am a fan of Power Girl, but not of her heroic costume :)
I hope comics writer will look at the game and take inspiration, both story-wise and design-wise : I think it does a very good job at following all the evolutions of the "genre" and use them in a "mature" way, while capturing back the joyfull, heroic epicness that seems lost nowadays except in a few titles.
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Alex
2012-11-11 01:24 UTC
#74
There was this pretty cool thing a cartoonist I like did a while back where he showed his own take on the Justice League and their villain counterparts. He tried to reboot them so that each character had unique powers, a cohesive backstory with interesting possabilities, and a decent costume. I am pleased to say Power Girl got an outfit that wasn't just fanservice:
(Taken from here: http://dresdencodak.tumblr.com/post/10979241054/rebooting-the-justice-league )
"Visually I wanted to keep her short, curvy build, but place emphasis on her strength instead of her sexuality."
TH
TheSoundOfTrees
2012-11-11 10:25 UTC
#75
I like this costume much better ! I like his version of Wonder Woman too.
One thing I always found strange with costumed heroins is that they only have one costume to wear - and not different ones for different situations/moods. My CoH heroins always had special "toxic environment" outfits for fighting in the sewers :)
PC
pcgamerpirate
2012-11-28 22:26 UTC
#76
So the Assistant got bent out of shape when 5 random people were saved over her.
And Vengence will have 5 new heroes.
Therefore, the 5 random people saved will be the 5 new heroes in Vengence (which accounts for why one of them will be the Assistant's Nemesis)
CH
Christopher
2012-11-28 23:14 UTC
#77
Hee HEE . . . I assure you, your math won't work out in the long run.
*runs away, gleefully*
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EvanDan55
2012-11-28 23:18 UTC
#78
If that we true and the 5 strangers were heroes, why wouldn't they be able to save themselves? That'd be way too coincidental, I think.
But what's with the math comment, Christopher? There are five hero decks, are there not? So five heroes? Unless of course, my guess I made two weeks ago was correct, that one hero deck might contain more than one person? Hmm?
CH
Christopher
2012-11-28 23:20 UTC
#79
Math is hard, yo.
AM
Ameena
2012-11-28 23:29 UTC
#80
Note, however, that there's been no denial that the five people saved over the Assistant were from Vengeance ;).
EV
EvanDan55
2012-11-28 23:29 UTC
#81
That's why couldn't tell if Vengeance had 7 or 11 decks.
Dawg.
EV
EvanDan55
2012-11-28 23:32 UTC
#82
How would they come into play though? They couldn't be the heroes, and they're certainly not the villains.
MC
McBehrer
2012-11-28 23:33 UTC
#83
No... 5 heroes != 5 PEOPLE. It's possible that either one of the heroes is not human, not strangers, or maybe one is actually 2 people.
TH
TheSoundOfTrees
2012-11-28 23:34 UTC
#84
Certainly? Who knows...
EV
EvanDan55
2012-11-28 23:36 UTC
#85
That's what I meant by the guess I made two weeks ago. You know how La Capitan's nemesis symbol is cluttered with like four different things? I put forward somewhere else that it might mean that one hero deck contains four or so people. So if we're all thinking the same way, this may be true.
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jagarciao
2012-11-28 23:45 UTC
#86
Her Nemesis is Captain Planet... but you cannot call on him until all the Planeteers are out in play and you let their powers combine.
EV
EvanDan55
2012-11-28 23:48 UTC
#87
And that was the day I stopped playing Sentinels.
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ketigid
2012-11-29 00:35 UTC
#88
quick, put this into the wiki!
CH
Christopher
2012-11-29 00:40 UTC
#89
[wiki entry] Christopher is known to occasionally run away gleefully after saying things.[/wiki entry]
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AnachronismAxe
2012-11-29 01:05 UTC
#90
Also, if the theory floating around that Young Legacy is the leader of these heroes is true, she technically wouldn't be a new hero. She'd be someone who's already been around. Semantics are key here. Christopher's responses are a veritable monkey's paw in that any word could be picked up on and counted as false. A very... happy monkey's paw.
CG
cgrater
2012-11-29 01:11 UTC
#91
It that the paw of a very happy monkey?
Or is the paw itself happy?
MC
McBehrer
2012-11-29 01:21 UTC
#92
... yes
TH
TheJayMann
2012-11-29 01:40 UTC
#93
Lojban much?
ZA
Zalrus9
2012-11-29 02:12 UTC
#94
I'm thinking that the assistant would be more like Bane or Hush: Batman villians who aren't that strong on thier own, but have information (in the case of Bane) or contacts (in the case of Hush) to both find villians to tire the heroes out, and then strike when they're too tired to do anything about it. I mean, just say the assistant sends the Hippo guy and Siege breaker somewhere to wreck some havoc, and then perhaps some other small-time crooks, and then in the background she sabotouges the mission in some way. Or kills those victims...
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Koey
2012-11-29 04:17 UTC
#95
Aside:I mean the first time I saw Chairman I thought Ra's al Ghul with his league of assasins.
Assistant gives me sort of Riddler vibe sending other villans and leading the Hero on a trail.
CZ
Cosmonaut_Zero
2012-11-29 06:25 UTC
#96
Well he IS utilizing both logic and language…
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Blossercubbles
2012-11-29 06:27 UTC
#97
When I logged in, went to the forum, and saw over twenty new replies in the Assistant thread, I naturally assumed that there was a big secret reveal here. I wasn't completely disappointed.
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FeelNFine
2012-11-30 00:34 UTC
#98
I think what Spiff was saying wasn't that he didn't think it would be fun, but that it didn't have that wow factor. In a way though, I'm kinda glad she doesn't, for future players. Look at Young Legacy for example, I just joined at this kickstarter, so I won't get her. I'm bummed because I'm missing a central part of the storyline by not having her. Someone who jumps in later and misses out on the Assistant might just think "I missed out on the chance to beat up a secretary. meh." She can still be plenty fun for us without new players feeling like they are missing something amazing. Unless there are plans to sell the Assistant as a mini-expansion which I didn't see, in that case through out my thoughts all together.
EV
EvanDan55
2012-11-30 01:17 UTC
#99
Yeah, FeelNFine, they'll be selling The Assistant on her own, much like they do for Unity and Ambuscade. The same applies to The Scholar, Silver Gulch, and The Final Wasteland.
IK
IKerensky
2012-11-30 10:01 UTC
#100
And missing young legacy is just missing 2 artwork and one power line. Each being freely avaliable with >G blessing on boardgamegeek...
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pcgamerpirate
2013-01-03 23:39 UTC
#101
And she now goes by:
MISS INFORMATION!
AM
Ameena
2013-01-04 00:07 UTC
#102
Wooo, those were some cool piccies...so, she's not known as the Assistant any more? That was a sneaky false name? Ooh, what a bugger she is ;).
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ketigid
2013-01-04 05:32 UTC
#103
why the name change?
KE
ketigid
2013-01-04 05:51 UTC
#104
Here are some things I’ve noticed. In Diversionary Tactics, on the screen at the left, the lady in gown with blue/green hair, have we seen her before? If not, she might be a future hero.
In Suspicious Malfunction, Miss Information is wearing an earring on her left ear, not seen in other art.
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Alex
2013-01-04 05:56 UTC
#105
"The Assistant" isn't much of a villain name. It works for "The Organization" because that sounds dark and ominous. No supervillain would call herself "The Assistant" if her goal was to NOT be the assistant to someone else!
EV
EvanDan55
2013-01-04 06:37 UTC
#106
We don't want too many villains with "the" in their name. I love the name Miss Information. But I'm just partial to puns, so it makes me happy.
Also, with regards to the lady in the gown, some seem to think she is Citizen Winter.
MC
McBehrer
2013-01-04 06:41 UTC
#107
I have various reasons for saying this, being a playtester, and I am pretty much 100% certain she is Citizen Winter.
RE
Reckless
2013-01-04 09:54 UTC
#108
This woman's dress is white. Winter's outfit is blue. Also, Winter's hair has the same lens-flare-esque sheen Nightmist has. This mysterious woman on Miss Information's card doesn't fit Winter's description at all.
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Matchstickman
2013-01-04 17:19 UTC
#109
I kind of assumed it was Newest Legacy, dressed in her uniform. The angle skews the view we see.
I love that the cup Miss Information is holding says "America's Finest Assistant", even the Multiverse is not immune to people cashing in on the heroes' trademarks!
CH
Christopher
2013-01-04 18:15 UTC
#110
I am actually 100% certain that it is NOT Citizen Winter!
MA
Matchstickman
2013-01-04 18:29 UTC
#111
Damnit! Another cryptic post from Christopher. Just say what you actually mean man, in plain English.
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fba827
2013-01-04 18:38 UTC
#112
As if we should believe anything said by >G in a forum topic all about "missinformation"
CH
Christopher
2013-01-04 18:55 UTC
#113
I assure you, everything I say is 100% true, at least 50% of the time.
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Alex
2013-01-04 19:26 UTC
#114
She looks metalic. Maybe a robot or a female version of whatever that weird creature on Hollow Points is?
MC
McBehrer
2013-01-04 20:44 UTC
#115
but... she... cold...
GAAH
EV
EvanDan55
2013-01-05 03:03 UTC
#116
Not Citizen Winter? Oh well. I guess we'll find out later.
J1
j1hopki1
2013-03-14 13:26 UTC
#117
I think Miss Information's nemesis symbol {} is the empty set (from math class). Meaning she has no nemesis. That's because she has no HP. The nemesis rule boosts damage, but no HP means no damage. Or I could be wrong and in a future expansion the villains will learn to fear the heroic power of Professor M. T. Set.
VY
Vyolynce
2013-03-14 13:57 UTC
#118
She has HP…
And while her not having an actual nemesis makes some amount of sense, I do think that one potentially exists. SOMEONE had to kill her in an alternate timeline, after all.
AM
Ameena
2013-03-14 14:19 UTC
#119
Not necessarily - her grudge against the Five is because "they chose to save someone else" or words to that effect - we don't know what caused her life to become endangered as well. It might've been an accident of some kind, like a natural disaster or some other thing which meant that she was kille without being the direct and deliberate target of an attack. Maybe she was in the base when it was attacked or something (like maybe someone dropped a bomb on it or whatever), so was more a case of collateral damage.
CZ
Cosmonaut_Zero
2013-03-14 19:21 UTC
#120
Even if she never took damage herself and you could only win by some other method I assume she still deals damage herself at some point, which would bring the nemesis effect into play.
Thematically, villains are rarely gone forever after being dealt with a single time in comics. She could go on to do other villainy things after her initial betrayal of the Freedom Five and pick up a nemesis later. Or maybe there's another office worker type person in the F5 HQ that always suspected her or something. I can think of things that work. They're all kinda wacky but that's par for the course in a comic book style setting.
J1
j1hopki1
2013-03-14 19:56 UTC
#121
Oops. Hadn't played her, yet. Only got her yesterday.