Here it is the complete card spoiler with errata.
Please let me know if you see any mistakes and I will remedy them as soon as possible.
Enjoy!
Sentinels of the Multiverse - The Heroes.xlsx (44.7 KB)
Sentinels of the Multiverse - The Villains.xlsx (25.9 KB)
Sentinels of the Multiverse - The Environments.xlsx (18.4 KB)
Great!
Now if we could only get the text of the card hot linked to the name of the card in the Forum. That would be Awesome!!
Hedge
GRR I want to see UNITY
Also argent.
Has anyone done a similar spreadsheet (or any document type really) for Infernal Relics? I'm mostly interested in info on the 2 heroes from it.
Um, is this kind of thing acceptable? If they were so inclined someone could just make their own cards/deck with this information.
I was wondering about that.
I've heard a comment from GtG that anyone who attempted to print the game on their own would be paying more than if they just bought a version published via GtG, so it didn't seem like an issue to worry much if any about, but I do not know if that is official policy.
I understand the problem with printing the game. But I imagine no company with a card-based game wants people printing the game on their own, but they still allow card text (and even images) to be posted.
I come from a background of Magic the Gathering, Dominion, and The Lord of the Rings card game. They all have card databases online with text and images. So I was just surprised when nothing like that existed for Sentinels.
I believe it is in the works, but has not been done yet (mostly, it will be done once the game is complete)
If it's something they want, they should just authorize fans to do it until they can get around to doing it themselves. Who has more time to transcribe the text of each card than an army of bored, rabid fans?
I'm fine with fans putting something like this together. As Andy mentioned, the correct choice for the super-cost-sensitive consumer is "Buy Sentinels from Amazon", not "Print 578 cards in full color yourself".
I could print bare-bones text-only black and white copies of the cards on ordinary paper, cut them up and sleeve with old Magic cards I already have for considerably less than the £27 or so a new copy would cost me.
"Considerably less" than £27? The game doesn't cost much in the first place - there isn't much money to be saved by doing it yourself. Sure, you could waste a whole lot of time to produce a crappy looking version of the game, just to save a few pounds. Seems pretty pointless to me. You apparently still bought Magic cards, even though you could have done the same with them. The point is putting together a database isn't going to lead to a rash of people printing their own games and undermining sales, as evidenced by all the other card games I mentioned that allow databases (like Magic). Paul and Andy's point remains that it still makes the most sense to just buy the game.
Thanks! I like having it for reference sake, since if I'm looking for new combos/synergies I want to be able to do keyword searches, rather than rifling through boxes of cards.
Paul's point is the only point that matters outside of Christopher and Adam - because Paul is the Operations Director and in charge of all things business and so ... yeah. He wins :p
Oh, and I will probably make heavy use of these when updating the Wiki to finish out deck descriptions.
The full quote was "considerably less than the £27 or so a new copy would cost me." so it's not that it would cost something just under £27 to make a copy but that it costs £27 to buy a real one and one can be made for much less than that cost (£5 is under that cost for example and would be a big saving if one cared about it).
Personally I think this thread should have remained burried, giving out full card spoilers on the official forums is not all that common in the game industry and looks (to me) as though the company is implicitly endorsing it (but now we have Paul's explicit permission).
… Which is interesting given that the wiki says "don't do this exact thing that is being done in this thread"! (not getting at anyone, I just find it interesting that it's allowed on the official forums and not on the fan run sites, when usually it's on the company trying to get the fans to take it off of their sites so others can't make a copy without buying the product!)
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"Considerably less" than £27?
The full quote was "considerably less than the £27 or so a new copy would cost me." so it's not that it would cost something just under £27 to make a copy but that it costs £27 to buy a real one and one can be made for much less than that cost (£5 is under that cost for example and would be a big saving if one cared about it).[/quote]
Yeah. A new copy costs about £27. Using this spreadsheet I could make a (obviously crappy-looking) but completely functional copy of the game for, I'd estimate, around £10-15.
I have thousands of Magic spares which a friend gave me - anyone who's hooked enough on Magic will have loads of basic lands they don't need and if you hang around game stores that sell them you can acquire them very easily for almost nothing or free as people rip open booster packs, extract the two cards they actually want and dump the rest. I use them for making PnP games all the time which works out very cheap.
I just want to clarify that I own official copies of all the Sentinels stuff except the oversized villain cards (don't need them) and a few promos (didn't get into the game early enough to get them). I have no intention of proxying anything. But I was just pointing out that is is absolutely possible to make a usable copy for much less than the RRP if you have the time and the inclination and this spreadsheet.
I'd think that a full database of artwork and card text would more likely lead to something electronic like a broader Vassal module or an app of some sort.
I think the >G guys are willling to take the chance that the no art, printed paper stuck in with cards version of the game, once played with a few friends will inspire one of them to go get the actual game so they can have much more attractive cards.
Also that is a lot of work for that much money. I doubt that would cost them too much, not many people value money over time to that extent.
Depends if you're spending time doing something you enjoy, and still saving money.
How much you value your own time is definitely a factor. I've cut out more printed cards than I can remember for GSF and Sentinels through playtesting. But cutting out, sleeving (with proxy cards you also need laying around or to purchase), and disposing of the paper waste can take a decent amount of time. And new builds? Those are intense, since not every single card is changed. You have to hunt around for the cards you need and swap out the old version for the new. It's not much of a big deal if you can stream a show or podcast, listen to some music, or have good company. But if you're without? It's a long process.
This isn't a criticism or complaint, but I have a bit of experience with "proxy" Sentinels cards. I can say for sure that they're quite functional without the bells and whistles of a proper set, but I'll take the proper set every time.
True true... the woes of the playtester...
I'd do it in a heartbeat for cards I couldn't get other ways (I have a decent number of hand written decks that I'm playtesting), but I'd rather pay $20 more than spend hours formatting cards, printing them, then cutting them out and carding/sleeving them.
People are printing tosx's custom decks from BGG (the ones with art that is close to Adam's style) on Artscow and other sites for $10-$15 each. If the full text and art of every card were made available online, there will certainly be people with the time and inclination to put together files for each deck in the game and share them, allowing people to print out whichever deck they want. If something is possible on the Internet, then someone will do it.
However, I think I agree that it's not much of an issue. How many people will pay $10 for a single deck when they could buy the entire game for only 4x that amount? And someone who's willing (or poor enough) to play with black and white printed or even scribbled out rules in sleeves is probably not going to be a regular customer anyway.
Oh yes, I totally agree. I don't see copying making any kind of dent in sales of the actual game. Few people enjoy all the tedious work involved in proxying, and as has been said, the game's cheap enough.
I was mostly just debating against Paul's point that the cost-effective way to get the game is to buy a legit copy. I'm just saying that if you don't care about the art, the most cost effective way is to print your own text-based cards. It wouldn't be the full game experience without the art, but it'd work.
Meaning that When I go to update the wiki 'Deck Lists' (such on Absolute zero's page) it will be far easier to copy and paste the information rather than searching through and typing them up again. You'll notice those deck lists only have the name of the card, brief description of the artwork, and who the quote is attributed to - nothing else. 
And given that I wrote the 'dont this' for the wiki front page, I think I know what not to do 
Watch for typos. I'm sure I saw something about AZ dealing "colt damage". ;)
He keeps a Colt handgun in his suit.
...or a small horse. Forget which.
Next you'll be saying Gloomweaver deals cult damage.
Most of his damage does seem to come from his minions.
Wraith deals Cowl damage.
Plague Rat deals the common cold damage.
Or a supernatural weapon for killng the Yellow-Eyed Demon…
AZ as a Hunter sounds like an interesting story… his fiancee was killed by some kind of creature, rather than a hit and run?
What's the "Vasser module"?
Vassal is a program that lets you play board games with people on other computers, live or by email.
A Vassal Module is the file that contains all the data about the particular game you are playing, pictures for the cards, the map, a die roller etc. There is a Sentinels module that was endorsed by >G that contains only 2 villains, 6 heroes and 2 environments from the original printed edition.
It can be found here if you want to take a look (and Vassal is found here )
That sounds cool. I have relatives that live out of state that I would love to play Sentinels with! Do you have to make sure you're not breaking the rules or will the game itself police you, kinda like the Dominion online version does?
No rules implimentation, everything has to be done manually. This particular module is basically just jpgs of the cards and a place to play them, there are a lot more complex modules (for other games) out there, I have looked into it but have no clue how to make anything beyond the basics.
Bummer! SotM would make a GREAT online game to play with friends, but teaching them how to play over the phone sounds like a big hassle.
There is an electronic version in the works, from my understanding.
Is there a site out there that show the progress on it?
There's this, but I don't think that's what you're looking for.
This one right here.
Seriously, just take a look around and there's a proof of concept video on here somewhere. (or I could look and find it and post a link, here)
Page looks great, never saw it before. Can't wait to see what the full game ends up like.
G+ hangout games FTW! It requires everyone to have a Google account and ideally one person to be able to run Mezike's awesome spreadsheet in Excel, but it works really well.
If it wasn't for G+ I'd have to harass my boyfriend/gaming group/non-gaming friends/random people on the street frequently to play, probably to the point of violence being applied to my person. I don't find solo as much fun.
Hey, don't forget Skype - there are gaming people on Skype (well, person, at least) ;).
I would have to second this …
thank frog for the G+ games
(Long time SotM fan, first forum post)
I would be happy - ecstatic, in fact - to create an online DB for card reference. I had debated it aleady, in truth, but put the idea aside assuming >G would not be too happy with me. Given Paul's endorsement above, I can't see a reason not to. Besides, I've been looking for a new cloud project :)
Of course, I would need some bored nerds who are also fans of SotM to help accumulate transcripts and card images. I wonder where I could find such people? :P
Also a lot of other things.
I can't open the file with OpenOffice.