Would you please remind me what this refers to?

[Edit: My attempt to split off some Sentinel Tactics discussion about Proletariat into a new Topic has gone horribly wrong. Instead, this topic now has the 2nd through 1000th posts that were in the original topic: https://greaterthangames.com/forum/topic/villains-of-the-multiverse-sentinel-tactics-battle-for-broken-city-and-sentinel-tactics-for-profit-6510. Apologies. We'll see if we can get this sorted out.]

[Update: We think we've found the bug in the code that caused this problem and adjusted so it won't happen again. We will probably not try to put these two topics back in order, as it would be more complicated than you might imagine and doesn't seem worth the effort, though Joel's going to poke at it a bit and might decide to give it a go.]

Woohoo!!!


REALLY looking forward to all this!

(Although double-playtesting might be challenging - hoping that gets staggered a little, also... )

By Baron Blade's Big Banter. I am broke, Wrath isn't home yet, and now a new expansion on the horizon.

I hope the campaign will go into february !

Is that the hero formally known as The Matriarch standing with Setback, Expatriette, and Mister FIxer on the Sentinel Tactics: Battel From Broken City?

Man I wish those picutres were bigger.

Dark Watch confirmed for second Tactics set.

The wait for Fanatic continues...

Also, my poor bank account

I'd help if I could 

I'll bet you do.

So I can make out Ambuscade, a FILTER agent, Plague Ra, Citizen Anvil, and Biomancer fairly easily. Everyone else is a bit rough.

I wonder if the Slaughter House Six will be a part of Ambuscade's deck?

I also hope playtesting is staggered, its hard enough to focus on one game at a time

Woah, already?

10 Vengeance style villians. Very interesting. I see Bio-mancer on there, for sure. And Ambuscard/Plague Rat.

New Promo idea.

I cannot tell who is in the background of the Sentinel Tactics Core box, but they seem to have a weapon similar to Deadline. The one in the front looks like he may be the lightning guy that appears on a few of Setback's cards, but it's more of a energy/fiery effect than lightning.

The expansion has THe Hippo, Heartbreaker, the woman commonly known as Mirror Mistress, and what appears to be one of the Crackjaw Crew.

Well. Looks like I was right. The next expansion is not standard format. Yay?

Honestly guys, and I love >G and SotM, I am not as excited for VotM as I was for WotC. The Vengeance format just doesn't see a whole lot of table time with my group. Coupled with 0 new hero decks, i'm lukewarm towards this. Will I get it? Sure I will. Theres going to be too much amazing art and story from a whopping 10 villains. 10! Good god. Side of the box looks like it has the blue deamon we see fighting Parse in Cap Cosmics deck btw.

Tactics: DARK WATCH ASSEMBLE! I was correct with my speculation here too! The images are small (Hey Christopher/Craig/Adam, can we get a larger image of the boxes to look over? Would that be impossible?) but you can clearly see Fixer, Setback, Expat, and....and....thats not Nightmist is it...someone new?

The expansion looks like a darker version of the Hippo, Heartbreaker, the mirror person from Slaughterhouse Six, and someone else, possibly from the Crackjaw crew. 

Larger images please!

Now I see that Citizen Hammer is actually standing infront of Citizen Anvil, figured that out when I was counting and it was coming up 11. I wonder how that's going to work.

How does one sign up to be a playtester for villains!? 

Just hope they open the playtester sign-up again. I've missed my chance, too. :/

Also, I have a question about the oversize villian pack. Does this mean they'll ALL be included in this set for free?

The new playtester window only opens occasionally, but is great when you finally get in. There is a cost associated with joining, but it allows you to see a really cool side of the development process. Let's see, I saw this on another post, don't know if it works… I SUMMON CRAIG!

https://greaterthangames.com/store/playtester-access-unreasonably-costly

Heh.

I think that is only for Supreme Overlord Playtesters and the new GTG Warehouse expansion…

Vengeance style play just doesn't really any time with my group. I really wish that >G would provide alternate rules for playing the individual villains on their own. 

Ben

That's one of the nice things I like about this: If folks don't feel like this set will see play, they don't have to buy it. And if there aren't enough pre-orders, it won't happen. This is great for >G, and avoids them wasting money on things that won't sell.

I'm hoping this set will get the folks I play with to get more into the Vengeance format. We have time to play it when we get together (as it does take a little longer to play), but it just hasn't caught on. (I should probably ask everyone why they don't want to play it. Really hoping it's the villain choices…)

Your spell fizzles. You summon a demon instead.

Rabit, I agree whole heartedly.

I have blown up the box pictures above using state of the art computer technology. It is pixilated, but I have exciting news...

CONFIRMED! The villain formaly known as The Matriarch is part of the Dark Watch! If there is one clear thing I made out in the picture, it was a bird resting on that heros shoulders! Nightmist is gone folks. I knew it from the moment we saw the Miststorm in Tactics that she has yet to reform into her old self following the events that will end SotM.

La Capitain confirmed on the VotM box as well!

Adam posted a larger version of the VotM art on his twitter!

https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/555418718407503873/photo/1

Maybe Hippocalypse has finally revealed his true form.

My group would definitely play more Vengeance-style games with more options to choose from, so I'm looking forward to it.

I don't understand how the Tactics-type thing is being marketed.  It's a stand-alone game based on Tactics... doesn't that just make it an expansion for Tactics that doesn't require the base game?  Or maybe it's actually a new game...?  Can't tell.

Also, utilizing highly advanced squinting technology, is that Heartbreaker and Madame Mirror (or whatever we're calling her?) on the For Profit box? Super excited to see more about those two. 

So I reached the correct number, at the very least?

I think they're shipping a 'core' range of standalone games with the tile sets and a larger number of characters and scenarios. And then expansions have other characters and scenarios.

The art looks better and better! Super excited, although also a bit sad that it is not spread out a bit more and that it is so soon after WotC (Europe hasn't even received it yet)... Will probably have to choose one and let the others slide.... snif.

Furthermore, I am confused about this paragraph in the announcement:

"The preorder will run until March 12th, 2015. The games will all be in your hands by the end of 2015, though they will be produced in separate waves. This lets you save shipping by combining large orders or get the games right when they come out by placing multiple orders."

Does this mean that all three games will be shipped out to the pre-order participants by the end of 2015 and that GtG releases it to the stores with some months in between? And if the pre-order for this stuff runs now, why would one place three separate orders and wait?

Plauge Rat and LaCapitain seem like odd choices to include in this format. I would have bet the farm that they would have been used as promo villains for their existing decks. How much different could they be? Ambuscade fits at least because we know he has the slaughterhouse 6 behind him. 

Other villains I notice: the sabertooth guys from Visionarys deck and beacons from tactics. 

Anvil/Hammer will be interesting to have a closer look at

FILTER focused deck might answer questions.

where have I seem the red/black character with the sword before?

we see the blue Deamon that parse fights in captain cosbys deck. I think he will be part of The Host. 

The woman in the blue dress somehow reminds me of Amenia Twain...

Or AbZeros long thought dead Fiance! Probably not though

The woman with the sword looks like Friction, mixed with Heartbreaker. So that's interesting...

Also, a little (and I do mean a LITTLE) disappointing that there are no new heroes in there. That means we'll have to wait for the NEXT expansion for hero-Matriarch (not counting Tactics, of course)...

Still, I wasn't expecting 10 villains. I guess people don't get to complain about the lack of variety for Vengeance-style villains, anymore.

I'm pretty sure thats the operative.

Box size for VotM?

From the picture it looks like a Vengeance-sized box.Probably complete with slot for oversized villain cards.

That would be perfect. (Yes, I've printed Cauldron stuff…!)

That could fit. Too bad we can't see the other arm in the picture. Thats the one Operative has her original tattoo on. But that is a strong guess.

I noticed something else in the picture. La Capitain has a green creature with glowing eyes on her shoulder. I can't tell if its a monkey or an Imp Pilferer from Apostates deck. Anyone wanna take a close look at that for me? 

Not sure it's the imp... I don't recognize it from anywhere. Maybe just a new monkey critter?

The reason Im leaning away from monkey is because its tail is thin and pointed instead of round and fuller. also four fingers. But its hard to say

Can we assume that the miniatures for the Sentinel Tactics boxes will be an add-on and not included, as with the original Sentinel Tactics Kickstarter?  Not to gripe; merely trying to budget.  I'm gonna need a new board game bookshelf.

There goes my New Year's resolution to be more financially responsible.  That didn't take long...

There is certainly lore we do not know about and in that lore is the answer as to why they are there. I am looking foward to seeing how it plays out.

Core games can be played w/out any other games. Expansions require that one has a Core game. So someone who owns nothing could buy the second core game and start playing without owning anything else.

Me too! I certainly agree. I just am wondering out loud why they are being used in the Vengeance format as opposed to the Promo format for decks they already have. Lore could certainly justify it though no doubt.

Maybe LaCapitain lost her crew after her last major defeat (or assembled a totally new crew), which would explain why using her original deck wouldn't make much sense. 

New Plauge Rat could be given a lot more tech based powers and breeding, needing little mini rat targets and such.

Ambuscade's is, I'm assuming, because he teams up with the Slaughterhouse 6 and will feature those targets in his deck, hence why the promo format wouldn't be as appropriate.

Maybe the box cover is depicting one of the environments and it's all a trick!

Ambuscade Environment confirmed.

Cool.  Looking forward to more details Monday.  

Wait…where?

La Capitan minus her boat would change her a lot.

Did anyone else notice that there are 11 people on the Villains box? But we are told that we are getting 10 super-powered villains.

Thoughts?

Is that Spite I see on BftBC? That is something I could definitely go for. Then we'd just be a Plague Rat away from all the Rook City heroes and villains being playable characters. c:

Anvil + Hammer.  That's my guess.

This will really open up Vengence-style games. The complexity is high, but should be fun.

Yeah you don't get to split citizen combos, that said the game combinations this expansion can lead to assuming Vengeful are compatible are bewildering, can't wait to see if Ermine keeps top spot as you get to die as quickly and painful as possible...

It was a joke. I was riffing off MigrantP's post immediately above mine.

I wonder if that's the final content.  Post in the BGG thread about this was comparing the numbers of cards to this to Vengeance and it's about 100 less cards for the same price.  I wonder if some of the unlocked stuff will add to that.

Vengeance added an environment to the final box during its kickstarter didn't it? Its possible it could happen again.

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Did anyone else notice that there are 11 people on the Villains box? But we are told that we are getting 10 super-powered villains. Thoughts?

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I noticed this as well.  At least one of them has to be a minion from a main villian's deck, though I wouldn't be supprised if everyone that isn't Ambuscade  is just a minion from Ambuscade's deck.

Citizen Hammer/Anvil go together. There is zero chance they are seperate decks.

Who thinks it's just an excuse to have a standalone Christopher and Adam deck? :P

Totally, hopefully we get Citizen Jodie in that deck as well.

Jodie and Paul could be a super powered logistics duo.

But then the debate over the most powerful deck would be done, so I don't expect that until the final game.

I'm sad this was posted when I was at work, but now I'm home to join in all the speculation! So happy for more Vengeance style villains, because I'm on the same boat where Vengful Five don't see a lot of table time. But I think with TEN new villains to mix and match with the Vengful Five (I assume they are compatible), I'm sure our group will be seeing a lot more multi-villain fights soon.

And yeah, between these and the new 3DS, I'll be with DefeatDust in going broke.

Omg another new expansion already :O. Are the dreaded shipping costs still the same? :(

I wonder what the two environments will with this villain themed expansion.   Maybe some thing like the Citadel of the Sun perhaps?    The secret base for this villain team-up?

Aw. There goes my main from the game.

They sure are putting this out quick... They're not even giving us time to sell off Wrath of the Cosmos before starting a new preorder.

Now I'm super confused about the future direction of SotM.  I thought the plan was always for one more small expansion that would wrap up the storyline and fit into the empty space in the Vengeance box.  Now there's a 3rd big box that comes with a smallish number of total cards.  Will we be seeing even more expansions to eventually fill that box?  Is there even a defined endgame for this era of the Multiverse any more?

I've always understood that the final expansion would be a big box.

We'll see more expansion(s), not sure how many. But from what they have previously said, it should be about 2 more years before SotM is wrapped up.

The plan was for everything to fit in Enhanced Edition-sized boxes, but the total was never confirmed.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if that number was three, but I could of course be wrong! That would give us plenty of room for a few more regular expansions, and I'm very happy about that.

Is there even a defined endgame for this era of the Multiverse any more?

Definitely. There's always been a planned end.

The planned end is when you put the cards away in the box and say good night to your friends.

That doesn't make sense in terms of space though. Assuming the aim is to make sure all non-sleeved existing content fits in existing boxes, they should release big box expansions when existing boxes are full.

Having the the final big box only partially filled would be wasteful.

I don't believe they'd release a big box unless there were future decks to fill it, so I think Villains will be the final big box.

There is a planned end to SotM (and to Tactics!). The former is Soon, but not Yet.

Also, to answer some questions from earlier, the reason we are doing a single preorder period for all of these items is that it allows customers the greatest possible flexibility when it comes to paying shipping.

If you want to minimize shipping costs, you can order any number of preorder items together in a single order and only pay shipping once. This entire order will be held until all of the preorder items are available. We also encourage people to combine pre-orders with friends; every copy of VotM or Broken City in a pre-order will come with a set of all promo items.

If you want to ensure that you receive preorder items as soon as they are released and do not mind paying extra shipping, you can place multiple orders, each containing different preorder items. For anyone interested in doing so, the items available through this preorder will be shipped in three “batches”, which are, not necessarily in chronological order:

1. Villains of the Multiverse + Oversized Villain Cards

2. Sentinel Miniatures: Minions + Sentinel Tactics maps

3. Sentinel Tactics: Broken City + For Profit + Associated Miniatures

Furthermore, we *should* be able to have flat rate shipping for both Canada and the EU, with the later being at least a bit cheaper than it has been on the past on Kickstarter campaigns.

I’m hoping VotM has 2 heroes, which would make the card count a lot closer to Vengeance iirc. However, they should probably both be repentant villains.

There was about a 2 year timeframe confirmed after WotC preorders came out. SotM expansions have come out about once a year. That meant 2 more expansions. The final one was always going to be a mega expansion, but no one had said there would be another standard format expansion (I had speculated that there wouldnt be in fact).

This villains expansion will likely fill in a few missing holes of the story before we push to the final conclusion with the final expansion. Thats how I see it.

Everything should be able to fit in 3 boxes. Looks like VotM will be the same style box as Vengeance. We will probably fit everything in one EE box and 2 vengeance boxes (which have room for oversized cards which all the VotM characters will come with and tokens and such)

And thus I'm broke before I even start getting money back…

But time for speculation and theories

First thoughts: I was going to mention this somewhere else, but we did see in Sky-scrapers deck a Plague Rat look-alike attached to a Bane style venom system. The reason I say look-alike is because I noticed some key differences. Mostly his pants which you can't see in the Villain box art. It's sky-scraper's Neutralizing Resonator and it shows plague rat with non-torn green and gray shorts, while normal plague rat has torn blue shorts. The fur is also lighter than the normal plague rat. Some theories as to why these differences. 1st: Someone created a second plague rat by forcefully injecting a test subject. 2nd:  Plague Rat is similiar to the Lizard, using a special compound to change and therefore when the heroes beat him and cut him off he searched for a way to regain his "power". (blown slightly out of the water by double checking wiki) Wiki says the change was gradual and caused by the dealers drugs and pike's chemicals in the sewers, but still possible if the former drug dealer was crazed enough to want to become plague rat again. 3rd: Someone tried to make Plague Rat easier to command and more powerful a foe against the heroes.

Lady with the half-face and lady in the red could potentially be the two figures from Tachyon's incap side. Lady with the face seems very likely to be ice based and red lady could have wind powers.

We haven't seen the blue guy with the gun and the pompadour, but my guess is that he'll be a Lobo pastiche.

Saber-tooth looking guy is wearing an amulet, probably very important.

I hope the Villains box ISN'T Vengeance-style, since all oversized villain cards and tokens and such could go in the Vengeance box, leaving more room in the Villains box for decks.

We know there will be stretch goals.

Promo cards for characters like Chrono-Ranger, Naturalist, Scholar ect. seem very likely as first up.

Mini expansions are very likely as well. Don't be surprised to see 1 or 2 villain-turned-hero decks in the expansion that is called "Villains of the Multiverse" as it would fit the theme perfectly. Since Matriarch (or whatever her new name will be. Nevermore?) is being introduced as a hero in Tactics now as a member of the Dark Watch, I would bet the farm that she will be part of this.

Not everywho who will get VotM will have Vengeance however. You need a box that can hold the oversized cards. I would think that has to be a consideration.

Question from the update:

For anyone who is waiting on oversized cards from previous orders, you don't even need to order the new villain oversized card pack as you'll be getting it for free!

1.  Is this referring to the cards for the Villains Expansion, or the regular oversized pack, or just the content added since the first pack?

2.  Is this coming out to everyone with the new pre-order, or just those who had orders standing?

3.  Do the previous orders need cancelled, or is that automatically being done.

4.  If an order was placed for oversized cards, and the orderer does not pre-order this time, what happens?

Thanks.

1) This is referring to the regular oversized pack.

2) This is coming for free to everyone who had orders standing for the past year plus (there are several dozen people, and they know who they are).

3) This is automatically being done. We'll send out an email to everyone who has a pending order letting them know that they'll be getting stuff.

4) You will get an envelope with the full pack of oversized villain cards once it is in print!

Paul (or anyone), could you address the same MSRP as Vengeance with a smaller card count?  I ask not as a complaint, but because it's already been brought up on other forums and might be helpful to have an "official" respoonse.   For example, I would assume the number of unque art pieces isn't that different than Vengeance given that hero decks tend to have more repeat cards than villain decks

Thank you for the answers, I know several people that will be glad to know this.

Vengeance also didn't have a mini expansion cycle that will in all likelyhood come with the game for free.

When its all said and done, I'd imagine the total card count will be similar. I think they have an idea of how much free stuff is going to be going into the preorder and its likely pre built into the cost of the game.

Same position as people who only have the Enhanced Edition and oversized cards then?

Will preordering VotM include oversized cards for Wrath (and VotM and recent promos like agent-of-gloom and skinwalker) or will we need to add an oversized villains cards pack to our order to get those?

Question, Seeing the cover, we're getting ten new villlains, will these decks be the Vengence sized 20card decks or the standard 25 card Villain decks... if the former will we see atleast some of these villians outside of Ambusace, and whom we are assuming to be Plague Rat and La Capitan outside of the 20 card decks, cause of right now we currently have four heros whom do not have a standalone villian outside of the the Vengence boxset and Iron Legancy whom has six nemesi....

Absolute Zero -
Bunker -
Unity -
The Scholar -

Most of us are assuming that Bio-mancer is the Scholar's nemesis, and there is a character whom protrays what we think he looks like... whihc is why I ask this....

The plural of "nemesis" is "nemeses".

If I counted correctly, we have 21 heroes who have not yet gotten Vengence style nemeses.

Fanatic - 

Haka - Ambuscade

Ra - 

Tempest - 

The Visionary - 

Expatriette - Hammer and Anvil

Mr. Fixer - Heartbreaker

The Argent Adept - 

Nightmist - 

Omnitron-X - 

Chrono-Ranger - Plague Rat

K.N.Y.F.E. - 

The Naturalist - 

Parse - 

The Sentinels - La Capitan

Setback - 

Captain Cosmic - 

Sky-Scraper - 

The Scholar - Bio-mancer

Unity - 

Guise - 

That leaves us with 4 more Villains left to place (and I could be wrong about these villains).  I would hazard a guess that Unity will get a nemesis, because she doesn't have one yet, excluding Iron Legs and the mini-vengence villains.  Also, I suspect that the guy in the back with the angel-ly wings is Fanatic's nemesis (unless that's the guy we think is Bio-mancer)

I don't think Unity will get a regular nemesis, because in the recently-released Challenges her "nemesis challenge" is for Iron Legacy.

"Nemesises"

Nemesodes?  Yes, I know that that's terrible.

That would be Citizen Anvil.

Huh.  It's been a while since I played against Dawn, hasn't it?

Alright then, he's probably not Fanatic's nemesis.

And that's a good point about Unity's nemesis.  So that puts us back at square 1 for the four remaining nemeses.

Bunker and AZ and Unity will not get stand alone nemmys. It's been confirmed.

What are the odds that the Freedom Five will at least have mini-nemeses in one or more of the VotM decks?  They were the only ones that didn't get them in Vengeance (for obvious reasons). 

It's been confirmed that all three of them will not get stand alone nemeses.  I'm pretty sure that the wording allowed for one or two of them getting a nemesis.  Besides, these don't count as stand-alone nemeses, do they?

Nemesissies?

Nemeziggurats?

its been confirmed none of the three do. Their primary nemmys are listed in the challenges already. 

Spoilsport.  A man can dream, can't he?

Nope.

hmmm.... broken city....  

I'm reminded of the art for Rook city where they spray painted a "C" on the sign to make it say "Welcome to CRook City"

How much you wanna bet something happens to Rook City near the end of the card game, leaving it a desolate warzone now known as Broken City?

Rook City

BRooken City

BRo  ken City  (The second 'o' fell off the sign?)

Broken City 

Maybe this catastrophe is why the world distrusts the heroes and the Freedom Five went independent?   Is Rook City gonna become a crater?!  Maybe, maybe not, but that won't stop my wild speculation!!


EDIT: Reason I started thinking about Rook City is due to the fact that it's the Darkwatch's turf (at least it makes sense to me for it to be.)  And the first core set had Megalopolis, so it would make sense for the second to have Rook City... Unless there is no more Rook City...

This Forum is where dreams come to get crushed under Foote.

What about a woman? Can a woman dream?

Yes.

This is true. I hope Christopher realises the Cosmic Entity needs an army of Foote Soldiers. It would be fitting 

Yay!

...they keep getting beaten by a team of turtles.

Pesky teenagers.

I wonder if the city is destroyed over the course of events in Uprising.  The city in that image looks Like Akash'bhuta went to town on it.

I am guessing it was destroyed because the attack came from a diagonal.

Maybe the next will be entirely heroes? Then environments? Then those little foam thingies that come with the games?

Ahh… I remember that ziggurat that broke the internet, the good ol' days

I would put that down to a hole in their production schedule, with no Sentinels Story Wars there's a gap…

That makes sense. I guess it'll end up slower due to playtesting (don't think Story War needed it), but there's a positive there.

They aren't all coming out at once.

I think if Broken City turns out to be the remains of Rook City, it might be due to the destruction of Pike Chemicals during the end event of SotM. Uprising seems to focus itself in Megaopolis.

My guess is that VotM will have a Vengence-style box, but that there will also be a combined ST/WotC set that will have an EE-style box.

Maybe down the road there will be a combined Vengence/VotM super-box.

I know that some have posted instuctions for modifying hobby store art boxes into SotM storage solutions, but if >G were to sell an official SotM storage box, designed to hold everything they're planning, with art from the game - I'd be happy to drop some money for that.

I have a feeling that, if they do, they'll do it once the entire game is out. That way they'll know exactly what it needs to fit.

I just realised why there are 11 figures on the cover of VotM. Citizens Hammer and Anvil are both represented, and presumably share a deck.

found a high rez image of the broken city box on boardgamegeek:
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/2377165/lastalchemist?size=original

The guy holding a spear... Is that (Ex-)Chairman Pike?!

I do believe it is, and also all but confirms that the broken city is Rook City. Also, nice to have a visual confirmation of Matriarch the hero!

Heres one for VoTM:

http://boardgamegeek.com/image/2377164/lastalchemist?size=large

here is one for "For Profit":

http://boardgamegeek.com/image/2377166/lastalchemist?size=large

Guesses for Broken City:

The Chairman has been living like a fuedal warlord, ruling the tatters of his former organization.  Thats a lovely patchwork suit.  It also looks like he's taking a more active role in things, so kudos to him!

The person on (purple) fire is the unobtrusive person who was casting a shadow on the Chairman's character card.  

Guesses for "For Profit"

It looks like the Hippo has upgraded to battle armor (and furs).  

None yet, but it will be good to finally learn some more about Heartbreaker, the mirror mistress (Imago? Reflectress?), and... maybe thats Tantrum all growed up?   

Guesses for VotM

The operative lacks the blue tattoos from tactics, but is going all sorts of red... my hope is that we'll learn some more about the story of the Dragon and how she went solo.

I've no idea who the lady in the blue dress is, but it looks like most of her face has been turned to stone (or metal).  possible Unity or Scholar connection?

None of these folks have the distinctive nose/face profile of the yellow character on Rook Cuty Wraith's incap side.  Wonder when he/she/it will show up?

So with the For profit we see: The Hippo in an upgraded suit, Mirror Mistress (with a broken mask) and Heartbreaker. Can anyone ID the red mohawk girl with the scarred face? I feel I should know who it is (fire powers I'm thinking) but I can't find her anywhere.

Broken city shows a confirmed Lilian Corvus hero, and a possible chairman pike (though the patchwork suit doesn't seem like him at all) and Spite. Also amazing we see Fixer in a white coat (he's alive after being stabbed by Heartbreaker) and Expat (alive after being hit with a missile). So two possible deaths have not happened, and Fixer has to have some sort of rejuventation going on. I remember hearing somewhere that he's getting elderly in the card game (70's or 80's) and yet even though Tactics takes place probably 10 years after the card game he looks almost younger in that art.

Awesome stuff

Looks like Spite is The Chairman's new Operative.

The girl with a red mohawk gives me a Delirium of the Endless vibe for some reason. Maybe that's just me though.

I imagine if Fixer has come back from the dead (after dying in SotM), it wouldn't be unreasonable for him to lose a few years of age. It looks like Pike lost his rejuvenation pool, though. He definitely looks older.

Broken City Box: I agree with everyone here. Broken City is Rook City, and the guy holding a pike is...well thats no doubt Chairman Pike. I have no guess for the purple fire dude. I want to say Spite, but I have my reservations on that guess.

For Profit: My best guess as to the girl with the scared face is the fire girl from the Crackjaw Crew. It's a bit of a stretch, but its the closest I have.

@Braithwhite: You know, I was looking at the incap art for Rook City Wraith the other day as well. There is not a single villain I have seen yet released that would fit the yellow person on that artwork. I am curious about who that is as well. 

Ahem, I think you mean the guy holding the pike.

And of course, the tantalizing theory to make is that those two things are not unrelated. What a coup it would be if Pike lost access to his rejuvenation pool and Fixer got to use it one last time. Talk about someone getting Pike's "Undivided Attention."  Of course we will have to wait and see.

Now, now, it could be a guisarme, voulge, or even a Glaive!

And now I want to look up that OOTS comic.  Thanks! :P

Ex-Chairman Pike has a pike. I love it.

No Fanatic, no sale for me. I've got all the card game pieces, and Flame of Freedom which I've played a round or two of, but I think it'll take seeing her in game to make me take that Final Dive.

(Definitely looking forward to trying her Prime Wardens card out, though. Getting the gang together tonight for the first Wrath of the Cosmos night!)

I see what you did there 

That pike looks a bit short, but it could be the perspective.  I wonder if he destroys the city, or if its destruction just lures him out of hiding.

That’s definitely Pike. I hope he’s just called that, Pike, not the Chairman.

Also, for the record, I hope Villains IS a big box, because I am out of room with my sleeved cards and toploadered large villain cards.

So considering there are 11 figures on the VotM box, and it has been said there are only 10 decks, at least one of those figures shares a vilian card and/or is a minion of one of the others, so it really reveals nothing other than a returning Plague Rat, Ambuscade, and possibly Opperative.

As far as spite in broken city, correct me if I am wrong but didn’t he die only to be resed by gloomy only to die again?

Comic book death tends to be merciful with everyone except uncle Ben...

The ones sharing a deck will be Hammer and Anvil (Anvil being the one with the wings and Hammer being the one crouched infront of him.) We also see Biomancer, La Capitan, a FILTER agent, and the guy that appeared on The Visionary's Suggestion.

As far as spite in broken city, correct me if I am wrong but didn't he die only to be resed by gloomy only to die again?

I can't see that Broken City pic - it just shows me a login screen. The other pics work, though.

Spite wasn't actually dead, he was just pining for the fjords.

Evil Naturalist who turns into scary monkey confirmed.

I think that in order to view the pictures in certain formats/sizes (original size), you have to login to BGG.  if you do a search on BGG for the "lastalchemist" user, you can go to their gallery without signing in.

or you could just click here: BoardGameGeek

I did that without logging in, so it should display properly.  

That would be an interesting promo. Naturalist gets stuck in a fourth form, and can only switch between animals. Evil Monkey Naturalist.

She killed me

She killed you?

…I got better

This?

Sorry if anyone has posted this already, but it seems the VotM box will be the same as the Vengeance box.

If Matriarch is going to get a hero deck (almost a guarantee at this point), what nemesis symbol will she use?  If she uses her old one that she shares with Tachyon, that's going to cause all sorts of wierdness.  If not, then maybe one of the unknown villans in VotM is for her. 

That's a great point. Christopher has said that she will have her own symbol, so that makes sense!

I now expect to see at least one, if not a few new nemesis symbols in VotM.

Is anyone else wondering if we'll have more characters in the box than are shown on the cover for Broken City or For Profit? I'm hoping for more characters than six to fill out the box so the game can go from on the fence to instabuy for me.

I would think so, my guess would be that they would have the same amount of characters as Flame of Freedom and Uprising. So 9 on Broken City and 6 in For Profit. But only time will tell for sure.

I feel like VotM will completely mess up the nemesis pattern

I’m pretty sure there will be. The base game Price of Freedom has more characters that shown on the cover.

My guess is that they will use stretch goals to fill out the offering. I can't tell you how excited my kids are for this. It will be all the Holiday gift money + me kicking in a chunk, but it will totally be worth it! 

innocuous whistling intensifies

I was just looking through Parse's deck, and I just realized the card "Reveal the Flaws" has an image of Captain Cosmic rescuing the Matriarch from the grip of Progeny with Parse looking on while (I'm assuming) providing support all while being a shout out to that classic Fantastic Four cover. I think we have a story for why the Matriach turned into a hero. I'm sure others have noticed it before, but I just happened upon it now.

This game seriously raises the phenomena of the Easter Egg to an art. Heh.

*Cast Summon Craig*

It's Monday. Why can't I preorder anything yet?!

We are furiously putting stuff together to make sure everything is explained and looks awesome! The preorder will be announced and live this afternoon!

Getting Paul with a summon Craig spell counts as a spell crit right?

Thanks Paul. Can't wait.

Thanks, Paul!

I will give my F5 key a breather for a couple hours, then…

It's afternoon here!

Yeah, but yours isn't the REAL afternoon. 

Um, don't think that's politically correct.

xD

Oops.

#sorrynotsorry

But he wasn't the only one thinking it…

New thought: Villains of the Multiverse purportedly includes ten Vengeance-style villain decks and two environment decks, but no hero decks. I'm perfectly happy with that arrangement; I've been thinking the Vengeful Five format would be even better with more options, and my simmering frustration for all the current environments is starting to fade so now I'll have new environment decks to glitch and moan over whenever I play Sentinels!

However, if memory serves, Vengeance was going to include only one environment deck until >G's legion of fans took the lawnmower to their stretch goals, allowing the Gods of the Multiverse to include a second environment in every copy of Vengeance.  Is there the possibility that the "stretch goals" during the pre-order event for Villains of the Multiverse could include hero decks as permanent additions to Villains?  I would say yes, it's possible, but we won't know until their standard-issue, ultra-teasing list of funding milestones is announced at the start of the campaign.

I'm also assuming that the number of preordered copies of Villains will be tracked separately, and its funding milestones attained separately, than those for the Sentinel Tactics products.

Hashtags in the forums? Gahhhhhhh....

What's hilarious to me about our interest in finding out as soon as possible that the pre-order is available is it really doesn't matter when we pre-order it, as long as we get it in before the end. Right? 

Doesn't mean I don't want to get it ordered as soon as possible - I just don't know why!!! 

The sooner we all pre-order, the sooner we find out about included promos and potential mini expansions. That's my incentive.

It actually hurts that I can't preorder before next tuesday, because I need money for Magfest, and I want to have some emergency money in case something goes wrong.  If something goes wrong I'll have to wait until mid February to Pre-order.  I don't think I can make it that long knowing that I don't have a copy reserved for me.

The cutoff date is March 12th, so you should be okay..unless it's an OCD thing. In which case I can understand.

Oh man, I haven't been to Magfest in too long. Last time I went was the first year in the new place. I feel you on saving money for it, though. So much goodness. I'll probably have to put off pre-ordering for a little bit myself with various things I need to pay for.

The pre-orders are up!

Why am I not surprised it is you alerting us to that fact?

Ooooooo, promos

Additional Bonus! Every copy of Villains of the Multiverse comes with three art prints, 7 promo cards, a villain mini-expansion, and an environment mini-expansion. More info to come on all of those promos!

Additional Bonus! Every copy of Sentinel Tactics: For Profit ordered during this preorder campaign comes with two bonus alternate Character Panels! Stay tuned for more information on those bonus Character Panels!

Additional Bonus! Every copy of Sentinel Tactics: Battle for Broken City ordered during this preorder campaign comes with three art prints and a pack of eighteen promo cards: one additional Power Card for each character from the Battle for Broken City core game AND the For Profit expansion!

The ruined wasteland that was Rook City has gotten even worse, now that Exemplar has begun his chaotic reign. His genetic-abhoration goon-squad of Demon Fist, Grudge, MindPhyre, Karnal, and Cyst patrol the wreckage, seeking to draw life from any they find

Exemplar = Chairman Pike I assume.

The other 5 names. Is it just me, or do they all feel oddly simialr to Spite's 5 drugs? Especially Demon Fist and MindPhyre.

Also. 7 promo cards for SotM with VotM. Thats a ton!

Because Ronway! Though you may be surprised by the fact I have yet to actually pre-order. I'm having a tough time deciding if I want to split them.

So Battle for Broken City says that it contains 12 characters but only lists 6.  The Exemplar and his 5 genetic goons who sound suspiciously like Spite's drugs.  Combine those with the apparant 4 members of Dark Watch (Setback, Expatriote, Mr Fixer, and whatever we're calling Matriarch) brings us to 10.  So who are the remaining 2?

Also, the villain card pack says it contains "an oversized card for every villain which will ever be printed" other than Venegeance-style. Have we reached the end?

Likely they are heros I'd imagine, and ones that could tie in nicely to the story we are going to see. Naturalist, Sentinels, Parse, and Scholar seem to me to be the most likely candidates

I wouldn't be surprised to see Chrono-Ranger in For Profit either.

If we pre-ordered Wrath, do we get the Oversized villain cards from that later or do we need to order the pack?

Well, I'm $200 poorer.

And I'm going ot be so many cards/miniatures richer…

Hmm... The miniature pack has 21 miniatures. So there seems to be at least 3 fairly important lackies.

If one of the Heros are the Sentinels, that math would add up!

Also, the villain mini expansion with VotM? I'm calling it now. The Host. Mark it down.

It isn't worded that way. It says:

That’s right! This preorder campaign also includes the long-awaited reprint of the Oversized Villain Cards! This will be a complete pack, containing one oversized card for every non-Vengeance-style villain in the game, including villain promo cards!

Check the actual page for Oversized Villain cards. slaaneshi611 has it right

Man it feels like there are way more choices than that but after looking over all of the characters I think you're right.  The Prime Wardens are right out which means everyone else from the Enhanced Edition is in Tactics.  Nightmist appears to be....busy which covers everyone from Rook City and Infernal Relics.  I doubt we'll get Omnitron X in tactics and I feel like the same may apply to Knyfe and Sky-Scraper.  I have no basis for that though, just a feeling.  All that leaves is......Guise.   Dang it.

All this is assuming none of them are Villains.  Plague Rat would perfectly fit Tactics, especially the theme that's shaping up for Core Set #2.

I don't think The Sentinels will be sharing a slot, at least I would hope that they will become seperate characters.

"other than those which come with their own oversized cards"

So it's likely that from now on expansions will include oversized cards?

Wow. That's unfortunate. Unless this means the future villians will already come with them?

Also, I assume the oversized cards have to be purchased separately?

No, it's just that all Vengeance format villains come with Oversized cards by default (this includes the 10 villains in VotM)

So that either means we don't get any more villians, or they already come with oversize cards. Or they're going to quit making oversized cards. I hope it's possibility #2.

My guess is that they will already come with oversized cards in the final mega expansion. It would be strange to have villain character cards released before they are playtested is my reasoning behind that. With one more expansion left, Terminus likely comes with an Oversized card in the first place.

We might see some new villain variants though in the oversized pack. Who knows. That would be very cool.

Personally I think I'll get the over sized villain cards the same time they release the Unlimited hero promos.  

Yep slaaneshi611 is correct.  Here's the full text (my bold):

These 4" by 6" cards represent all of the villains from the Sentinels of the Multiverse core game as well as the Rook City, Infernal Relics, Shattered Timelines, and Wrath of the Cosmos expansions and every villain promo ever printed for Sentinels of the Multiverse! This set contains an oversized card for every villain which will ever be printed (other than those which come with their own oversized cards, such as the Vengeance villains).

Excluding the Vengance (and I assume City of Villians expansion), >G seems to be saying no more new villians, especially since they are also calling it "the Ultimate set of Villain Oversized Cards".  You can't get much more complete than ultimate.  Unless you're Marvel, then you can have Xtreme Ultimate! :-)

Ben 

Still holding out for Nightmist, but you are right, she is seeming less and less likely. And of course, Omni-X has his own hurdles to overcome to show up in Tactics at all. I kind of wish I could get a complete hero list very soon so I can decide if I am going for this pre order.

Just because they used Vengance style villains as an example there doesn't mean they meant "only vengance style expansions are ever going to come with their own oversized cards."  

Just saying…

Yeah I agree with you. I think the final big bad wont be Vengeance style but still will come with an oversized card

The last box should be the "Big Bad Box" with plenty of room to store everything, similar to the "big geeky box."

So... no oversized WOTC included with the last WOTC preorder? I don't want to buy the new pack, having all the previous oversized villains already...

On the other hand, I will buy Villains of the Multiverse without a thought.

I believe they are only sending the new oversized pack for free to those who have ordered the old oversized pack in the past.  It's so people who already paid for the old ones don't have to pay for a second pack which is mostly going to be the same cards.

Any official word on this? Before I preorder (or not) the new pack having the old one…

So you only get the cards for free if you ordered them earlier, but didn't get them because of stock issues. So I'll have to order them. Ecch.

[quote="phantaskippy"]

1.  Is this referring to the cards for the Villains Expansion, or the regular oversized pack, or just the content added since the first pack?

2.  Is this coming out to everyone with the new pre-order, or just those who had orders standing?

3.  Do the previous orders need cancelled, or is that automatically being done.

4.  If an order was placed for oversized cards, and the orderer does not pre-order this time, what happens?

Thanks.  

[/quote]

[quote="Paul"]

1) This is referring to the regular oversized pack.

2) This is coming for free to everyone who had orders standing for the past year plus (there are several dozen people, and they know who they are).

3) This is automatically being done. We'll send out an email to everyone who has a pending order letting them know that they'll be getting stuff.

4) You will get an envelope with the full pack of oversized villain cards once it is in print!

[/quote]

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At least I'm hoping it's happenening the way I mentioned earlier.  If I have to pay another $15 when the majority of the cards are gonna be ones I already have, then why the heck did I get the original oversized pack in the first place.  Already spent $23-ish on the old ones (after shipping).   Was that wasted money then?

So very excited for this! Unfortunately I won’t be one of those who contributed to getting updates out. I have to wait until the last minute to make sure I can afford it D:

I'm not sure whether to feel like an idiot or a genius for buying the extra Tactics maps via Kickstarter as add-ons rather than waiting for them to become available separately.  On the one hand, because I asked for the main Tactics game, expansion, and add-ons together to minimise international shipping costs ($40 per wave), I am still waiting for everything.  The pre-orders for these next Tactics items are up before I have even played the base game once, so I don't even know if I'd enjoy it enough to justify a pre-order of these new Tactics items.  On the other hand, the price for the map add-ons is much steeper now than it was via the Kickstarter: $20 per map, vs. $20 for all four maps.  In the end, I have to say that I think I went for the better of two deals.  The waiting still sucks, though.

Speaking of waiting: Villains of the Multiverse looks good, but I think I'll wait until Wrath of the Cosmos arrives before I pre-order the next expansion.  At least, I hope Wrath arrives while this pre-order period is still ongoing.

the Ultimate set of Villain Oversized Cards

These 4" by 6" cards represent all of the villains from the Sentinels of the Multiverse core game as well as the Rook City, Infernal Relics, Shattered Timelines, and Wrath of the Cosmos expansions and every villain promo ever printed for Sentinels of the Multiverse! This set contains an oversized card for every villain which will ever be printed (other than those which come with their own oversized cards, such as the Vengeance villains).

So I know from the past Craig has said That the will release a "Unlimited promo pack" 

I wonder if they have changed it to "Ultimate" Sets and we are now starting the Final phases of SOTM

I'm in the same boat as many in that I already have the oversized villain pack...and would prefer not to have to spend a full $15 on what will be, what, 7-8 new cards? That's frustrating unless we are misinterpreting the plan here. I'm gonna wait to preorder until I know if I should package those together.

Also waiting on more information about the Tactics stuff. My gaming group isn't a fan so much...but I really like the idea of some extra content added in. I think it might make them come around...

That's an interesting detail.  It implies either that there'll be no more "regular" villains in the game or that any released after Wrath of the Cosmos will come automatically with oversized cards.  

The way I read it was that this set, the one you are preordering will have EVERY VILLAIN Past and Future, So that this will be the ONLY set you would ever have to buy Outside of Veng. And that it may even Contain Villains that wont have "Decks" yet…

I considered that, but I don't think it's likely.  I'm sure that extensive playtesting is needed to nail down a villain card.  I can't imagine it being finalised two expansions early.

I guess we will just have to wait and see 

But Pre order is going good, Just by the Numbers they are tracking GTG has almost $10,000 in pre order sales already

I think the only normal deck we haven’t seen yet is the mini expansion which comes with villains. I think the final expansion will be a mega expansion and will come with either oversized cards or an equivalent, because it seems like it will introduce a new game mode that might need a different sort of character card

The >G folks have said that the final expansion will introduce a new mode/style of play to SotM. Odds are, it will need some special setup and cards to work. On the upside, it means Villains isn’t the dreaded final expansion, since it buffs an existing gameplay style, instead of adding a new one.

That’s what I am saying.

Just noticed that For Profit says it will come with 2 alternate Character Panels. Wonder which 2 characters will be getting a 2nd character panel.

Naturalist and more forms?

It sounds like pre-order bonuses, so I don't think so.

Plus we haven't even seen Naturalist in Tactics yet and adding more forms would also add more minis/tokens and this is just for character panels.

I secretly hope that the Villain promo deck is a bit of trickery and they finally release Mariarch as a hero. She's a villain, you see. Now that she's officially on a box as a hero, I'm itching beyond belief to play her deck!

Naturally, I'm just as excited to see what interesting mechanics a new promo villain will bring to the table, as these promo decks tend to test the waters a bit more.

Also, I would just like to point out that the FILTER guy, who I had previously identified as looking like Duke Nukem, is apparently named “Sergeant Steel.” Awesome name aside, that raises the question… If he’s Sergeant Steel, then what are his balls made of?

… That can’t be a coincidence…

Do we know for certain that Sergeant Steel is the FILTER guy?

No, but it is implied that it is one of the villains on the front cover; it’s either him or the blue guy, and that guy doesn’t look like a sergeant to me.

Plus, FILTER has officers, so there’s that.

I think its the FILTER dude too.

But to be totally fair, it could be the girl in the blue dress with a face thats like…half stone/steel/some other grey colored material. Lets not discount her just because she is a woman.

I’m not, but look at how she’s dressed. She has a dress, long hair, and heels. FILTER guy is dressed like a military officer. I guarantee, that guy has to be Sergeant Steel. There’s just no other way.

But… But that would mean gender equality in a comic book universe. Is such a thing even possible?

Theres tons of military woman who love to dress up when not on active duty.

The thing is, the villains’appearances fit their names. If you had nothing but their pictures to go off of, I think it’s pretty reasonable that you could easily match up the names with the pictures. Baron Blade? Gotta be the mad scientist guy. Grand Warlord Voss? Citizen Dawn? Easy. Fright Train? Friction? Proletariat? GET OUTTA HERE!

I can see some of them getting mixed around, like Omnitron/Infinitor, maybe Ambuscade/The Operative, or Deadline/Progeny, but that’s only with thematically similar names. A name like Sergeant Steel has to go on a tough, gritty, buff military type. It HAS to. Biomancer has to be a creepy scientist/alchemist/necromancer thing. The Sabertooth lookalike is probably not going to be something like “Overseer” or “Mind Bender;” it will be something feral and vicious, to reflect his appearance, which reflects his personality, which reflects his play style. That’s just how design works; it has to fit readily, or it presents a cognitive disconnect for the player that is detrimental to the overall impact of the characters and their stories.

Edit to respond to the above: sure, military women can dress up off duty, but being in a villain group is hardly off-duty. She could easily have been Sergeant Steel, but in order to do so they would have made her look the part, as described in this post. As is, she will likely have a name related to her stone/ice powers, or perhaps a position of authority, due to her VERY fancy getup. Maybe something like the Cold Countess, or something less stupid, since I’m crap at coming up with good names.

Where did the name Sergeant Steel pop up? I don't recall seeing it anywhere...

He was mentioned in the preorder blog post.


For the villain mini-expansion, I'm hoping that we get:

The short yellow, beaky person on Rook city Wraith's incap (here).  IF we are following the batman-esque tropes, we are missing a Penguin archetype, so my hope is that the yellow one is a fence who sends out supervillain thieves (such as the "For Profit" crew) to acquire valuable items for him/her.

Such a villain mini-expansion would tie up a loose end (Rook city Wraith's incap) and could introduce some new elements like the For Profit crew (so we can see some of their story before they are put forth as an established, successful team).  We've met the Hippo (losing to Haka), we've seen the Mirror Lady (who seems to have it out for Setback), and we certainly know Heartbreaker encounters Mr. Fixer at some point. It seems plausible that they might star in a mini-expansion, either as Vengeance style villains, or in the deck of a full villain who prefers to remain at arms length.  

For the very final villain of the game, I've been wondering if they might do something funky like having the villain (IE, Terminus) be an entire playmat, with different spaces for the heroes depending on if their were 3,4, or 5 of them, and a villain along with- so your team would be fighting a villain inside a massive world-destroying thing to see if the good guys or the bad guys would be able to dictate the fate of the multiverse.  After all- this is a being that (presumably) has the power to alter space, time, and reality itself.  Can you imagine a more tempting prize?  Think of what someone like Citizen Dawn could do with that- she could wipe out all the normals in one go!  Baron Blade would finally have his vengeance!  Infinitor could finally make the voices (ALL the voices) stop forever.

You could have a playmat that altered the rules and had objectives.  Terminus could be a villain in and of itself (that you played on the playmat representing it's world-ending machine), or it could be a place for the villains to try and control, so that they could alter time and space to their benefit...

Any chance that the new Villain decks will have deck-sized character & setup cards as an option to use, or will they only have the oversized cards like Vengeance?  I know a lot of people really like the oversized cards, but there are others who prefer the smaller versions.  Having both as options would be ideal.

For Vengeance, they only made the big cards, and they said they have no intention of making the small ones. It might be the same for VotM.

Could we get a fix as to what will come out first as it will affect my preorders. I wouldn't mind tactics being delayed to ship together with Villains but would mind the other way around. Thing is your post hasn't been clearing that yet. thanks for the answer.

edit: never mind. you want chronological order and they arent int hat !

I would bet that the Minions+ Maps will be first, considering some KS backers are waiting for those and they don't need playtesting.  I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the Tactics stuff before the Villains stuff just because I think the PT time will be longer for Tactics

Aren't there scenarios for the maps? Surely they need playtesting?

Was about to say the maps don't come with scenarios but think I remember them saying they are printed on the poster along with the map, maybe they did some testing themselves on those and the testing from the other scenarios helped in that process. Though hope they don't come out unbalanced like the GSF expansion did, don't remember any testing for that one, just the core game. I don't even use that expansion anymore unless we are having trouble with the opposition and need a huge boost.

The maps have scenarios.

According to Adam this is Aminia Twain’s new look.

WHAAAAAAA?

I didn't see that coming!

Wow, those checmicals really did a number on her.

...and a letter.

Wow, maybe I'll actually enjoy fighting her now

Just wait until… that other thing! That I'm not supposed to say anything about. That one.

I think Villains is the last time we'll see normal villains.  I think that's what the whole "oversized villain cards for every villain that has ever or will ever be made" thing is about.  We know we have about two more years left in the game.  In 2015, we get the Villains expac.  In 2016, we get an expac with a bunch of heroes and a gigantic world-ending villain with completely different mechanics than normal villains.  We are in the end times.

At least, that's my prediction.

This prediction is so good it has it's own page!

Wait, I just ruined it.

All jokes aside, I like that Idea, although it could just as easily mean that all villains from now on will come with big cards.

"End-times?  I have seen many times.  These are merely your end-times."

For the life of me, I can't think of the source of that quote. What's it from?

It's from OX's deck on Defensive Blast.  Had to look it up as I recalled something like that for OX

Ctrl+F didn't find what I was trying to search for for some reason. Thanks!

Well THAT'S interesting…

Also I was pretty sure that was her when we first saw the Villains box. Cool! I don't care for her current deck, but the concept is pretty cool and I'm interested to see what's happened to her.

Wow… I did not see that being Miss Information… I love it

[quote="jsz2"]

Fanatic - 

Haka - Ambuscade

Ra - 

Tempest - 

The Visionary - 

Expatriette - Hammer and Anvil

Mr. Fixer - Heartbreaker

The Argent Adept - 

Nightmist - 

Omnitron-X - 

Chrono-Ranger - Plague Rat

K.N.Y.F.E. - 

The Naturalist - 

Parse - Miss Information / Aminia Twain

The Sentinels - La Capitan

Setback - 

Captain Cosmic - 

Sky-Scraper - 

The Scholar - Bio-mancer

Unity - 

Guise -  

[/quote] New information added (although as before, the nemesis placement is just an guess based on previous nemeses and known information.)

I think that's very likely, but I wonder if it's at all possible that his nemesis might actually be Tempest.  Tempest was captured by FILTER when he arrived on Earth, but subsequently escaped.  Maybe Steel is a FILTER agent who's made it his mission to recapture Tempest.

"I'm innocent!"

"I don't care!"

As Miss Information was an alternate timeline version of Aminia Twain who came back from what she assumed was her death and was a little pro-active about getting her revenge in early, I'm wondering if this appearance in Villains is possibly another timeline version of her post whatever traumatic incident she went through? Something pretty major must have happened to give her that new look.

Looks to me like she's wearing a mask over a heavily scarred half of face. In which case the bath in irradiated cyclohexane Parse gave her on Data Mining might be the cause.

It's either a mask, or that is actually what the chemicals did to her face.

With the face and that dress, it kinda strikes me as an emma frost/diamond form kinda vibe

In a comic book world, you can't walk away from a chemical spill without it altering your DNA or giving you superpowers. I'd say it's not a mask.

Also looks like she's gained some funky new powers, what with her eye glowing and everything. EDIT: And her eye colour changing!

OMG! I bet as she was scarred while at the Pike Industrial Comlex that the first villainous act she performed with her new powers was stealing the c from Checmicals. It wasn't errata, it was foreshadowing!

Is that Ra after he gets infected by Plague Rat?

NEWS FROM TWITTER: The following was Tweeted with the caption "The question isn't who is going to let him; it's who is going to stop him.", with a previous tweet suggesting this is from Broken City. Looks like we have our Exemplar!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7-DkAvIAAAWSEU.jpg

Well he's on the box, so that's gotta be him.

Maybe I've been asking this in the wrong places because I've yet to get a response...so I'll try it here...

I don't have the resources to go in for everything now. I would love to attain all these things at some point. Are all of the items on this preorder going into retailer distribution? The scenario maps? The Oversized Villain Cards? I am trying to make the best decision I can now in hopes of completing as much as possible later. (I didn't get in on the original kickstarter for tactics so I don't currently have anything tactics but would like too. Getting the first game and expansion is part of what limits how much i can spend here now on this.)

I understand the promo cards never go into distribution, but can I assume the mini expansions will since all those in the past have. (Will the tactics promo cards ever be rereleased the way they've said the card game promos will all be rereleased as an unlimited pack some day?)

Thanks.

The SotM promo cards will be hard to get for most for another 2 years or so once they release them all in a pack after SotM ends.

Everything else will be around for retail, including the maps and oversized cards and all that jazz.

I am not at all sure about the Alternate Characer panels for Tactics though and how common or hard to get those will be.

The scenario maps are the only thing that I don't think will be on sale again right away. I may be wrong about this, but for certain the mini expansionw ill be, the over sized villain cards will be, and even the Promo's will get the promo pack at the end. 

I'm not an official source by any means but from what I understand everything will be available for purchase later (direct fom here,) and everything but the Oversize Cards and the painted minitures will be available at a retailer (and I'm only saying that because I don't know for sure that the cards and minitures will be there, it is possible they will be.) 

Also, if I'm not mistaken Broken City should have everything necessary to play Sentinel Tactics without the need to buy Flame of Freedom. I understand if you want to start at the beginning of the whole adventure, but you could prioritize what's in this pre-order, be able to play it (apart from the maps,) when it comes in, and get the original Tactics things later when it is more viable for you. 

FYI, I got my current pack of Oversized cards from Cool Stuff when I was first getting into SotM and ordering everything at once, so I would expect they will make their way to at least some retail distribution

My understanding (from somewhere...) was that everything would be available to retailers if they want it, but retailers might not bother stocking up on some of the side items like overside cards, expensive painted minis, or tactics maps.

So even the Promos for Tactics will have an unlimited pack someday?

I've seen comments about them wanting the tactics promos easier to attain then card game promos but i don't see any way to get them short of ebay at this point. But if there is an unlimited pack some day that works for me. I've just never seen them confirm that same plan for Tactics.

Find a FLGS participating in Multiverse Month near you, and you can get some Tactics promos this weekend!

It wouldn’t surprise me. GtG hasn’t said a ything yet about tactics promo, but it wouldn’t surprise me. They are at PAX south right now but I’m sure Craig will answer when he gets back

https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/558663363505684482/photo/1

It seems Adam is our only source of updates until PAX is done

One of Exemplar's gang, perhaps?

Could be a new hero.  We did technically get a new hero in Beacon and Ra.  

To me it looks like she has the same issues as Infinitor. In the sense that she might not only have his powers but also the voices in his head.

Hmm, pulsing with nearly out of control energy that seems to be radiating out from her and crushing things in its path…

Is she just moments away from shouting "My name is not Akira!"

She doesn't like Proletariat, that's for sure!

She looks like the Idealist, with that hair and the Domino mask.
 

But if I had to peg her as a character that has been named and confirmed for BFBC, I'd say MindFyre.

I'm guessing she's a time-traveler.  Adam's artwork seems to be very inspired by this poster from the Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles series…

Nailed it! Not just Sarah Connor Chronicles, but all Terminator time travellers show up in that pose.

I immediately thought older Idealist, I think that would be the right age range

Beat me to the punch. I was about to say that that's got to be the person from Proletariat's Defensive card.

Adam said she's new, so not Idealist. Mynd Phyre could be it, making her a villain…

My gut says she's a hero though, we haven't gotten any new heroes in Tactics and I feel like we will at some point

More stuff

https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/558713670784786432/photo/1

Looks like another member of the crackjaw crew!

Also thank you for being so generous today Adam!

I think that guy looks more like Mangrove with the less-human look and the wooden limbs, personally. Meaning Nightmist can't be far behind!

fingers SO crossed 

If I were randomly guessing I might be inclined to say that "Green Gal" was a new Vanessa Long traveling back to deal with a new future threat.

Considering that by Tactics whatever happened that allowed Visionary to travel back in time has been stopped, it's unlikely to be a new Vanessa.

Of course, I will admit to the fact that without Iron Legacy to contend with, Meredith could have invented a time machine.

Counter just hit 1000 for Villains!

I see that Wrath and the mini-expansions are now available in some UK online retailers.

I have such a big sad right now.

They usually aren't in until the Wednesday though

sad? That should make you happy as I would think it means the shipments from GtG has finally gotten past France 

The problem is that they could have sent so many copies with their last deliver to Esdevium (the UK's biggest board game supplier) which could have been released to stores.

And given that that was about 2-3 weeks ago, it could have nothing to do with getting through France.

That's if they sent early shipments to EU distributors which we don't know if that was the case.   My impression from the initial delay sounded like only US stores got sent anything early.  

I'm pretty sure we'll hear about it when they finally get to ship stuff to the EU. I haven't heard anything...

What bugs me is that we payed for individual FedEx shipping, if I recall correctly. This was later mentioned to be replaced by a trial that could mean cheaper shipping to the EU in the future. As this cheaper shipping seems to have been decided on in the current pre-order, is this trial (and the undefined time we have to wait) still needed?

On a positive note: I am calling that the current pre-order will include Chrono-ranger, Parse and the Sentinels as hero-promos, due to their nemesis getting a revamp. Furthermore, I think that the Naturalist, Skyscraper and the Scholar will get their promo with the "End of the Multiverse as we know it" expansion. Should the Matriarch already become a hero in SotM, she will not neccessarily get a promo, as she is currently not a hero.

Paul mentioned that the shipment to Esdevium left a few weeks ago, as it’s B2B rather than a consumer sale it wasn’t subject to the same customs declarations. Our pre-order consumer parcels are still in the >G warehouse.

Indeed. While I understand the reasons, and it's hardly >G's fault, couldd't help being a little annoyed at this when I saw it.

Hmm, while I do agree that if The Scholar really is important to the big finalé he'll probably get a promo there, I also think he's quite likely to get one opposite Biomancer. So I reckon my chips are on him as well as the three you called out (which might be eight cards, but I think the Sentinels promos will miss out Writhe - seems the best way to make the deck play really differently).

If the conversations my coworker had with FedEx on the phone to send equipment to Amsterdam is any indication sending B2B is not necessarily quicker or easier.  

I really think skipping on any of the Sentinels for their promo is a bad idea. Too many of their cards would have the effect lowered by missing a teammate. For example, if Writhe was gone 13 cards would have some sort of diminished effect or be strait up worthless (his signature card). That's just under 33% of the deck. If <G lessens the amount of character cards for the Sentinels, I'd put my money on combining characters onto one card. Like have a Medico/Mainstay character card and an Idealist/Writhe card before eliminating one character from the team. And if they end up eliminating Writhe from the team like I've seen in speculation on the boards, they'll do that in Tactics.

I've done the pre-order because the wait for Shattered TImelines to come back in to stock with UK retailers is incredibly annoying (still no sign of it on GamesLore or Leisure Games…), so the delay doesn't bother me as long as I get it reasonably soon. It is a bit daft with it hitting retail before the pre-orders are delivered though!

remember, though, that the Sentinels
Promos could potentially be mixed and matched with the originals. I agree that they should all get promos (especually Writhe, who has in my mind the least useful power), but they don’t necessarily need to in order to keep their deck fully functional.

I think a three-hero team could work, if you give them discard-heavy powers. Sure, some cards are less good, but if you can throw them for powers then it's not really a problem, as long as those powers are also giving you some card draw (although since The Sentinels have the single best draw card in the game, that's not a big problem).

Any chance you can put up when the pre-order ends on the front page?

I can finally join this preorder next week, but until then, I have to decide if I should back for Tactics or not. On the one hand, I've only managed to play the base set one time and I felt a little sad when I won by incapping both of my opponents characters at once thanks to Visionary Ether Twisting and Beacon's double hit + all ranges greater than needed double. It's quick and dirty by design, and I'd definitely like to try it out again, especially in a full three man team. Having a playable Matriarch would really pump up many people I know into trying it out sooner rather than later. We all love her design and flavour, even if we rarely if ever break out her villain deck. In reality, I fear that would be the prime and possibly only reason for ordering Broken City, though. I don't need more variety for a game I've pulled out all of once since getting it via KickStarter!

I may have to pass. Thanks, team, for this chance to stream my thoughts! Here's to hoping she'll make it into the card game, though it seems she might not and her heroic swap happens after the Sentinels arc.

YMMV, obviously, but I would give Tactics another chance.  The depth of strategy for each character is really quite impressive.  I say this who had only gotten to play the production copy a handful of times before demoing at PAX South this weekend and seeing the different things that brand new folks to the game would try.

Also, Setback, The Hippo, Chairman Pike/Exemplar, and possible Miss Information! That's just awesome!

I fully intend on playing Tactics again! Several more times, if the table can finally agree to try something new. From my initial play, it seems like a decently light tactics game, the strengths coming out when there are full teams and multiple players, I feel. My one play was two players with two characters each, not much of any thought put into team building, either, beyond 'Visionary is my favourite character, I am bloody well going to play her now.' Was anyone else taken aback when she was never selected in the tournament? From playing her once and reading her cards, she seems like a great character to have around, both offensively and defensively. Anywho, that's neither here nor there.

I am terribly excited to see what kind of mischief The Great Hippocalypse can bring to the world of Tactics! It's very interesting seeing the transisition from card game to table top game, and that is the biggest factor in my wanting to pick everything up now, but my fear is simply the whole lot becoming little more than decoration.

I wonder now that we have crossed over 1000 sales for villians and 200 for broken, and they are back from pax south, that we will get a small tease at what the promo cards or mini-expansions will be.

I would expect to get some updates this week, but I'm sure they're still recovering from the weekend

yay just placed my orders. Now time just needs to speed up so stuff starts arriving.

Twitter has offered up a little bit of Slaughterhouse Six art:

https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/560457453608132608

I don't think that those are on the VotM box.  Is the entire S6 in Ambuscade's deck?

mmmmm wonder how the Slaughterhouse six team is going to play into this. maybe we are not getting one villian miniexpansion but maybe six that are on a team?

If it's like the V5 there will nemesis cards in each of the villain decks. 

I don't will get a repeat of that format with every deck but I would expect some to have multiple minions (La Cap, Filter guy).  Ambusacde could have that or it could be one character card with all 6 of them on it, or something like the Ennead

You know the Ennead as a Vengence style deck would be fun. The question for that would be which Ennead would be the main guy and everyone else be in his deck.

I'm kind of hoping we eventually find out who the two guys on the right are.


Those guys are from GSF a techno dwarf and Sulph Orc 

Is the one on the far right one of the Sulph-Orcs that's a ship captain in GSF, Boroghul the Ragged?  The other guy looks like a Techno-Dwarf to me, but neither of the existing ship captains.

Edit - that's what I get for starting a reply and then pausing to look up the ship captains...

Ah, so not Sentinels related. That makes more sense.

Also of note, for those who don't have Twitter, Adam gave the names of the S6 as "Fred, Mikal, Ansel, Aislin, Sean, and Raymond." The subterfuge we have come to expect is still there.

Well, if you go from left to right, "Ansel" lines up properly with Ansel G. Moreau (Ambuscade) and Aislin (which is often though not always feminine) lines up with the female villain.  That might have been an entirely straightforward answer, albeit without using the supervillain public names.

The intent of the question asking for their names was the villain names.

What you want is irrelevant.  We now have their names.

Moral of the story: Ask better questions 

I didn't ask the question. I lurk on Twitter. I can pass the blame along to my friend though.

Ehh, I asked the question. I’m not mad at the response.

I wasn't mad. Another person asked as well. If anything, I was just trying to be light hearted about the whole thing.

Ok guys. I'm ready for a update! Bring me some tastey information to chew on!

I agree. It's funny that they continue to have these pre-order events around major gaming cons (in fact, is there another PAX right toward the end of this campaign, as well?). Oddly planned, in my opinion. As someone who is still on the fence about whether to allow more Tactics in my home, I would love to see what these really entail.

With the sheer bulk of what this preorder is about, I don't see why they can't have an update every day. I'm not asking (nor demanding nor any other requesting verb) for that necessarily, but I see that there is enough content to allow for that. Certainly an update is due by this point.

Yeah I'd like to see more nuggets of information out there whether it's about Tactics or SotM expansions 

It makes a lot of sense from a business perspective, because you are at cons to introduce your products to a new audience, so having a pre-order on lets you potentially sell some of that to the new folks as well (especially ones who want to own all of the things)

Craig just comfirmed this in :

https://greaterthangames.com/forum/topic/completist-question-oversized-villain-cards-6568

Actually, that makes perfect sense! Great point. Although, it also makes sense not to leave us all hanging, haha. Couldn't they have had an update written up and ready to go to release at some point during the con? I'm not angry or upset, but we are all so invested in this game (and world) that we lap up any information with great joy.

In fact, they just did an update on the Tactics KS page and I thought, 'Woohoo, this is it!' But it turned out to just be everything I already know is happening…what a tease!

I am certain that this comment

lead directly to me reading this comment 

as "Tacos or SotM expansions".

…

I have nothing valuable to add this conversion so I'll just let myself out.

Mmmm....tacos. Let's hear what GtG has to say about tacos

I want to chew on McNuggets of information as well.

Tacos are a vital aspect of the Multiverse. It is the hard shell tacos that provide structure and order to the fabric of being, while the soft shell tacos supply all that is chaotic and changing. We are but the stuffing, with the few and supreme being the tomatoes and sour cream.

All together you get one really tasty Gordita

taco bell was yummy for lunch. 6 tacos. yum.

I tried eating that many once, but it didn't end well. I don't really wanna taco bout it.

In the multiverse I think I am the topping left on the sideboard that no body wants.

Ronway is the grated cheese.

Damn it, grated cheese!

Silverleaf showed up. More gouda cheesy puns are on their way.

There's no whey I'd get involved in making cheese puns.

Silverleaf derails another thread.

I believe Citizen Hammer and Citizen Anvil will be one deck. 

I'm not sure that EU shipping for the new pre-order is being calculated correctly.  Maybe some bugs in the new system need working out?  I posted about it here: https://greaterthangames.com/comment/98068#comment-98068

More from Twitter:

https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/562294893930762241

Looks like the character from Light Speed Barrage is finally going to make his grand appearance.

Yeah I've always called that guy Solomon Grundy.  

You have to imagine he will show up in VotM somewhere right? Really have to wonder where he would fit in. Maybe since he is shown in the sewer in Tachyons deck he could appear in Plauge Rats deck. But I'd expect him to show up somewhere 

Maybe the Red guy with Green Fists who shows up in the sewers will be there too? Maybe as Tempest's nemesis? Or KNYFE?

Plague Rat update https://greaterthangames.com/content/villains-of-the-multiverse-story-update-tales-of-the-plague-rat

Does that mean this Plague Rat deck might have Setback as a nemesis instead of CR?

So it’s a different Plague Rat.

I was thinking the same thing. And if he has a different nemesis, then others may aswell.

How so?

Anyone else not seeing the picture? All I see are the words "Displaying Revocorp Promotional Picture" and empty space. I want adams art!

And it sounds like its the same Plauge Rat. The original was captured by RevoCorp and enhanced. Same Rat. Just he's no longer self employed 

Can anyone see the picture properly?

I cannot see the picture.

*Cast Summon Craig*

I like the idea that now the villains have different nemeses. It's fun for both flavor and application--now the gameplay will be mixed up with the nemesis differences. Neat! So I wonder who the new nemeses for all the repeat villains are.

Hmmm…maybe not. I guess Setback was the original nemesis before Chrono-Ranger.

I dont think plague rat himself will change nemeses, but rather he will have revo employees in his deck which will have setback as a nemesis.

I can see it, but it looks a lot like the Cursed Acolyte....weird.

So, it seems that at least a few of the villains will be members of the "RevoCorp Recon & Execute" team. And that Baron Blade may have something to do with RevoCorp, as Setback's backstory says the Baron was responsible for the experiementations that gave him superpowers, while this post suggests it was Revo...

I think every target will be Setback's nemesis. We know that he encounters Slaughterhouse Six doesn't appear to like Setback much. Setback hooked up with Citizen Dawn's daughter, so Citizen Hammer and Anvil are sent to take care of them. Setback also assisted in the fall of the organization, angering The Operative.

Haven't figured out how La Capitan or Aminia fit into it yet.

That's what Plague Rat looks like, now. He wear a sandwich board around everywhere.

And it says “will work for Setback”.

Apparently, he is taking a new approach to hunting.

THe pic is up, Plague Rat is working with the Ghost Busters! Yay!

Why are the Ghostbusters working for Revocorp?

Who else would you call?

That was....unexpected.

Although, now we know about the Arena pic.

Well. A Ghostbusters cameo. That's pretty funny. I like it.

There's something strange. The new Plague Rat is member of a team. We know that Ambuscade probably is the leader of another team, the Slaughter House Six. And La Capitan should be a member of her crew, no ? Citizens are a team, too... Nick fu... I mean Sergeant I don't remeber his name looks like a member of a FILTER team...

If they are "Vengeance style villain" with their team members in their decks, it would mean that the heroes have to fight a team of teams... And why would these different teams ally together ?

Or can we dream that VotM is not collection of 10 vengeance styled "team member" villains, but a collection of 10 vengeance styled teams of villains ? Then the villains would be not Plague Rat, La capitan, etc, but RevoCorp R&E, the Citizens of the Sun (sans Dawn), SS6, F.I.L.T.E.R 's Howling commandos, the Time Crew, Amina and the Office Revolution ? Please, please, give us 50 decks :)

My guess is that Revocorp serves as a front for a lot of villainous activity.  I'm guessing that Revocorp will supply any supervillain with:

1. Top-notch research facilities, custom designed.

2. Equipment and supplies (chemicals and compounds)

3. Research personnell that are as efficient as they are sociopathic

4. IT and physical security

5. Total confidentiality

What does Revocorp get out of this?

Well, I'm thinking that revocorp gets access to any material that is produced that the villain is willing to part with during their research.  Even things that Baron blade would consider failures could be invaluable for a clever company.  In teh event of the villain's capture, revocorp swoops in and cleans up anything that seems valuable, then torches the place (physical self-destructs in their equipment, computer viruses, chemical reactions, etc) so that their hands are clean.    

My guess is that Setback came to their attention when they supplied Blade with parts.  Then they sent Revenant to capture him.  Eventually, they succeeded (maybe when he had temporarily given up as a hero).  This might explain why Dark Watch Expat was on the roof of the Revocorp building- she was being overwatch for breaking Setback out.

My thoughts exactly.

Ambitious!  xD  As much as I'd wish for that, it's more likely to just be an extension of the existing Vengeance style, with each deck having its own nemesis but also containing mini-nemeses for other heroes.  It'd be interesting if Plague Rat's mini-nemeses were all for Setback.

wait? what? who is Citizen's Dawn's daughter? and who would the father of this daughter be? and where is this said?

Expat is the daughter of Citizen Dawn.

Expat = Amanda Cohen

Dawn = Dawn Cohen

Bios!

Expat is Citizen Dawn’s daughter, and Dawn killed her father for not producing an offspring with power (side point: the father was originally in Dawn’s deck, but taken out before the final version).

ok then that begs the question, when did Setback have a relationship with Expat?

I'm going to assume that these four--Hero Busters?--take the role of the nemesis cards in the Vengeance decks. So instead of Plague Rat having other villains in his deck, he's got these four guys helping him instead of other villains. It's not like Plague Rat could run around and recruit other villains. So these guys are the tough villain targets in his deck. At least, that's what I assume they'll do.

When it started and how is anyones guess. Can't really tell. But it's safe to say that they are in a relationship during the time the Dark Watch team is up and running.

I don't believe it's been stated directly, but it's heavily implied by the art in some of the cards.  And I think… I can't find it now… but when people were discussing it an another thread, someone from GtG posted a sly link to Love is in the Air on YouTube.

It has been confirmed, Pydro knows where.

It's never been said "on paper", but yeah it's been confirmed in person with GTG a few times.

I'm pretty sure there was forum confirmation somewhere. But I've been known to misremember things like this.

Courtesy of the wiki entry for Dark Watch Setback:  https://greaterthangames.com/comment/54473#comment-54473

this is from a thread called "shipping"

To which Christopher responded:

The mouseover text on the question mark is "A CLUE", and it takes a curious viewer to "Love is in the Air" by John Paul Young.

You are, of course, free to draw your own conclusions.

Thanks for the link.

Yes!  Thank you!  It makes me smile to think of those two being together.  :)

Adam posted this as well https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/562662246346944514/photo/1

now the question is there any other heroes or villians that are together. would be awesome to have kinda like a batman/catwoman type relationship in the sentinels universe.

I personally prefer these things to be nice little features on occasional sidelines (Legacy and his wife, Tachyon and her wife, Setback and Expatriette), rather than nearly every character having a designated "love interest" (loathesome term).  As such, I like the fact that the Batman/Catwoman archetypes have ended up with two characters who are rivals (Wraith and Ermine), without there being a romantic element involved.

Or is there???

A few things

1st: confirmation that Revocorp is evil, finally!!!

I do love the idea of them being middlemen instead of being out right owned by someone like Blade or the Chairman. The problem with their new strategy to go after Setback though is that this will totally blow their cover since the F5 know Blade was behind Setback's medical experiment.

2nd: I wonder if these guys (the Revocorp Recon & Execute team AKA "Ghostbusters") will act more as plague rat's handlers than anything else. Remember Plague Rat is not a friendly being, or even terribly rational. They are obviously controlling him to prevent him from turning on them. I imagine each will do something different but also have an ability so if they aren't on the field plague rat goes beserk. Then you have a choice keep them out or deal with beserk rat.

Tangent: It says they captured the Rat, but we know the heroes and Chrono-ranger all went after him in the sewers. Does that mean in canon the heroes lost and Revocorp swooped in to finish him off or did the heroes hand him over to revocorp without knowing their true nature?

3rd: Major Tangent: Re-read Setbakc's bio. Just realized that Setback caused the Traffic Pile-up in Megalopolis... which almost makes me hate him a little

Very unlikely our heros just handed Rat off to RevoCorp. A very standard comic storyline usually involves heros thwarting whatever plan a particular villain has in mind while they still managing to escape to fight another day. Plauge Rat has probably popped up more than once, beaten, but never truely defeated. 

Actualy, I think that Revocorp is in the perfect position to maintain their cover, and play both ends against the middle. 

What do we actually know about them?  Let me pose what we know (and suspect) in two ways- a way that highlights their efforts as a "good" company, and a way that paints them in a negative light.

Positive:

1. They contain dangerous physical specimens, like Plague Rat and Omnitron components.  They have rapid response teams to hunt down the mutations and meta-enhanced wildlife that are so often the byproducts of supervillains.

2. They perform valuable chemical research to develop cures and means of controlling virulent diseases (like the Rat Plague).

3. They develop new techniques in gene engineering, cybernetics, and specialized prostheses to help individuals born with ailments live full, healthy lives.

4. Individuals with powers that they can't control, who are a danger to society can still live comfortable lives in their secure facilities while top-notch scientists try to find ways to help them control their abilities.  Setback is a case in point- the man has caused traffic pile-ups, and he's even tried to conspired with his thug friends to try and assassinate Revocorp's heroic CEO as he was testing his full-body prosthetic exosuit!  That suit was going to be used to cure orphans!  With diseases!

Revocorp!  Designing the future!

Negative:

1. They fund supervillain thinktanks, so that they can reap the rewards of their mad brilliance.

2. They help criminal empires, paramilitary groups, and private citizens gain powers through genetic manipulation, and cybernetics.

3. They imprison superpowered people and creatures to exeriment on, or to control.

4. They are accumulating relics of power, like Omnitron components, and experimenting on them without proper safeguards.

5. They actively participate in criminal schemes and supervillain affairs, up to and including attempted murder.  After all, it was a Revocorp missile aimed at Setback in Wrong time and Place!

Revocorp!  Designing…The Future.

So, this is what I can think of for Plague Rat:
He starts out with 4 handlers in play. These all have effects like healing him, increasing his damage to heroes, dealing damage themselves, and giving him DR. Maybe they have 7 or so HP each.

Plague Rat’s character card says, "at the end of the villain turn, play the top X cards of the villain deck, where X = 4 - the number of handlers in play.

These cards will be an assortment of one-shots that deal damage to EVERY target, one-shots that revive handlers, and ongoings that provide any variety of buffs and the like.

Advanced mode: damage dealt by Plague Rat to hero targets is increased by 1, or maybe made irreducible.

This represents his handlers guiding him towards attacking the heroes, keeping him alive, and fighting with him, while also reigning him in and keeping him from going berserk and damaging his allies.

That's strange.  Who would've thought you could use a disease to cure an orphan of orphanism.  

Thats only because other companies aren't  daring and  visionary  enough to dig up their parents, use cutting edge technology to return them to a semblance of life, put them in a full-body exosuit to reverse tissue necrosis (and contain the smell), dowload a simulacrum of their brain engrams (or a 90% accurate version for the recently dead!) with their patented AI technology, AND provide free housing and schooling for the grateful children in the Revocorp Youth Program.

Why do you think their CEO is called Revenant?  

Disappointed that the Egon substitute is more like his film counterpart and not all blonde and curly, like the comic books (which would be 'more' appropriate).

But huzzah anyway!

In your neighbourhood.

Who you gonna call?

Saul?

5....more....days....

He-Man! Bonus points if you know where that came from

Color me confused.

"He-Man!  He-Man!  He-Man!"

"...and it don't look good..."

Kids's parties can be so cruel to out-of-work Ghostbusters :D

Great points, but I was a little vague and apoligize.

I meant blowing their cover to the Heroes. Obviously the general public can be swayed and Revocorp will likely continue to be profitable. My point was that if Legacy and the Wraith didn't know about Revocorp before this, they do now… Does this make Revocorp this universes Lex Luther?

I think they compare to Oscorp more. With Revenant being their Goblin.

Is there any defined time-scheme for all the updates during this massive pre-order? For example: every Monday an update for Villains, every Wednesday one for Battle and on Fridays one for Profit?

Especially since there is less than 6 weeks left and there is still a lot of mystery to cover (even when only half the content of each product is revealed).

more than likely we will not find out all the info during the campaign. normally they streach it out until the product is actually shipped. so there is a lot of info that will come out after the fact

Do I need to place multiple orders to get mine when they are ready?  IE: Villians when done so I can get it, then Tactics when it's ready later on?

Yes.  Otherwise they would lose money on shipping 

K just verifying 

A picture update's just been posted, if anyone's interested...

https://greaterthangames.com/content/sentinel-tactics-update-some-fun-new-art

What happened to Nightmist? Did she manage to get rid of her curse? Or was she consumed by her own powers?

I wonder why Expat went back to her original hairstyle after the original DW promo cards.  Also, I hope there is more story on the Matriarch on becoming not only a hero but apparently the replacement for Nightmist. 

Oh, something that's been bothering me.  I remember hearing that if Mr. Fixer doesn't have his hat, it means that he's dead.  And DW Fixer doesn't have his hat, implying that he died and was somehow brought back.  But now he has his hat back!  What does this mean?

He's alive! ALIVE!!!

Well, yes, I gathered that.  But is he somehow "more" alive than when he was DW Fixer?  Previously, I had assumed that "no hat" + "still a character" meant "back from the dead".  But now I'm wondering if DW Fixer wasn't entirely back…

If so, what brought him back the rest of the way?

Well the incap side of DW Fixer has him getting stabbed again, so my guess is after that recovery got him back to his normal self. 

Zhu Long is currently the best guess out there. Reference Zhu Long's flavor text in the V5 Baron Blade deck. 

Do you have Tactics? My guess is that her disaperance is closely connected to the Miststorm from the Uprising expansion scenarios.

Maybe... the Dark Watch promos take place chronologically after Broken City? Nightmist returns, they kick Matriarch off the team for her completely unexpected betrayal of killing Mr. Fixer, Mr Fixer comes back from the dead to continue kicking ass anyway, and Expatriette forgets to get a haircut?

Fixer beat the crap out of Unity to get his hat back.

Please don't let Nightmist be dead, please don't let Nightmist be dead, please don't let Nightmist be dead...

Very well. Nightmist is undead.

I can't get over the awesomeness of playing as hero Matriarch.

Hmm, Nightmist gets killed off so that GtG doesn't have to pay Richard Launius royalties.

Matriarch is a villain.

Not sure what Lillian will call herself as a hero.

Raven.

Highly doubt it

Nevermore is still my favorite speculative name. Think PWatson first came up with it (sorry if Im wrong there)

This is a distinct possibility, not the threat of lawsuit, but if there is shared ownership of Nightmist that could be a major factor in her not being in Tactics.

Based on the fact that she has a falcon friend on the box cover, I hope Lillian's army consists of birds of prey this time. Falcons, eagles, hawks, owls, etc.

That would be amazing! I want Tactics birdies!

Of course I'd also like to see her with a bunch of unexpected birds like a penguin, a kiwi, an ostrich, a bee hummingbird, a flamingo, and one of those little African things that fly into crocodiles' mouths to pick out bits of meat. The Naturalist finds it hard to floss in non-human form.

I hope she has a Bird of Paradise, then you can turn it on its side for any token you want.

Adam posted another pic too https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/563463082811219968/photo/1

Aside from Mister Fixer, the rest at least tried to have a very similar look. Black going up the middle and spread out to the shoulders. The women have gold on their sides, Setback with white. They even were the same gloves! But not Mister Fixer... I wonder if there is a story reason to that, perhaps Mister Fixer doesn't want to get all dressed up super hero like, prefering the more... Laxed clothing style. They were at least able to get him in the same color scheme, though is Mister Fixer aware of this?

Maybe they told him it was the same color scheme.

This hasn't been brought up yet, but does anyone get the feeling Expat is going to be downright nasty in Tactics?

She is equal parts Bunker and Ambuscade and is going to reck people.

Wait… Bunker and Ambuscade are Expatriette's fathers? 

Plot twist!

blinks That's… quite the mental image you've conjured.

Bunker is Expatriette's mother.

http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1152.html

I really like that team side-by-side pic.

Mr Fixer in white really strikes me with a Gandalf the White vibe, what with the whole back from the dead (?) thing.

Am I the only one seeing the reverse "Citizen of the Sun" symbol on Expat's zipper?

From the very first playtest I did of Tactics I thought Expat would be awesome in it and couldn’t resist thinking up ways she might work.
I’m really excited and looking forward to seeing her in it.

I'm excited about all of them!

I made my own versoin of Expat for tactics that is wicked.  It is based off of her original character, so shouldn't be anything like what she ends up, but she was awesome, her and my custom Fanatic are probably my favorite heroes to play.

I can't wait to see what the official version looks like, I bet it will be awesome.

I really hope she has a Hazard space generation power like HairTrigger Reflexes, and her base power is her pistols for two shots.

She'll almost definitely have a sniper rifle that grants her incredible reach, at the trade-off of only hitting one target. Different guns will give her attacks that let her hit different amounts of targets, and maybe ammo cards that you can play to give you bonus effects. Maybe you can play them for free during the Surge phase, and you have an extra supply of them like The Operative's poisons, but they are all one-shots, or can only be recovered with a power.

I suspect she won't have Bunker or Ambuscade's ridiculous defence.

She wont have her flak jacket?

Ambuscade only gets extra defense against melee attacks. And his stim patch is not that easy to use effectivly with only two actions. 

He gets +1 defense overall from the armor, then if he gets hit in melee he gives the source of the attack a -1 defense token.

Yup you're right

I bet she has an RPG launcher that destroys hazard spaces.

(Note that I haven't actually played Tactics yet, and have only the vaguest idea of how hazard spaces work)

I hope her RPG Launcher uses d20s instead of a d6s.

Being able to spend half the game off the board is also a form of ridiculous defence.

Yes, it is. However, neither is Ambuscade accomplishing any of his goals while vanished. It’s a trade-off. (I realize his mines, if placed properly, represent an exception to that.) That’s why you focus on the other members of his team for KOs, if you can. In a skirmish game, my opponent stacked up a pile of Defense +1 tokens on The Wrath. As a result, I left her alone to sulk in the shadows while my team focused on beating the snot out of Bunker and Absolute Zero. Going after The Wrath wouldn’t have been worth the effort needed to grind through her Defenses. Same with the Frenchman: if he’s playing heavy on the defense, punch the other guys.

Edited: Stupid smartphone keyboard.

Re Fixer's colours, isn't White a symbolic colur of death in east Asia? Appropriate for Mr Fixer's style(s).

I want Expat to have a power that shoots twice for low dice roll, and ammo that modifies attacks.

Like Incendiary rounds could give a defense-1 token, Cryo Rounds an attack -1 token, and if you want shock rounds, you could have it make her attack also work as a radius 1 attack.

Would love to see a turretbot-esque hazard generation, and her shotgun.  Have to have the big # of dice missing on 5&6 attack.

Man I can't wait.  

Expat is going to kick some serious ass. It's going to be awesome!

i love all of this but I'll add one thing. 

She has no innate attacks. Her only innate ability is always having Aim on her attacks. 

lets start the ban wagon now

I would be *all* about that version of Expatriette.  It'd fit thematically in representing which guns/powers she has "drawn", while pushing the idea behind her exceptional, near-superhuman aim.

I’d be more in favour of her innate attack being her pistols, they’re her signature weapons she wouldn’t be without them.
Also Ambuscade is without powers in Tactics, and he has an innate attack, so there’s no thematic reason for her not to.

Note that Ambuscade has powers by the time of Tactics.

Does he? I was under the impression he still lacks his powers and has become more reliant on tech.

He has powers in SotM too, it's just by the time of Tactics they're fading.

SotM

Yeah, I too read it as he’d lost them in Tactics, faded to nothing. None of his cards or abilities reference powers, it’s all tech based.

I assume that Villians will come in a big box (like EE), but can we gat that verified. I was thinking about getting the box dividers that have become available, but I need to know if there is a box coming that I can fit them in. Or at least move stuff to so I can put the dividers in the EE box. Anyone know?

More than likely it will come in a Vengeance box since there needs to be built in room for the oversized character cards that come standard with Vengeance format villains. This has not been confirmed but I'd be very surprised if its not planed that way.

I thought we had had that confirmed? I seem to think Craig confirmed it, but I don't remember where.

No.

No woodworking puns allowed.

It was.

Edit: From the Tactics Kickstarter comments- 

Creator  GreaterThanGames  on January 15

{sigh}

I just want to play it already.  I don't card if they stuff hand written cards with stick figures on them into a paper bag and drop it on the roof from the >Copter.

So, standard playtesting procedures, then?

Honestly, I’m actually MORE excited for Broken City and For Profit than Villains. There is just sy much good stuff there!

Ambuscade update from Christopher https://greaterthangames.com/content/time-for-a-hunting-party

this time it would appear The Naturalist is the nemesis for Ambuscade. 

The Naturalist is at the top of their list?  Does that mean that Ambuscade's nemesis is going to be the Naturalist?

EDIT: Ninja'd

We've already seen indications that Plague Rat might be getting a new nemesis.  Could all the recurring villains be getting new nemeses?

Seems to be the pattern so far. 

Interesting, he still has his powers…

Also, I want to start speculating on who their other targets are.

Heroes that would make interesting/unique trophies…

Sky-scraper, maybe… Tachyon for mirror lady, Absolute Zero (self-preserving?) Fanatic with her wings, definitely. Tempest, surely.

I imagine Setback is to some degree since the first appearance we saw of the Slaughter Six was on High Risk Behavior.  Haka would still be a target since we saw that cover in the Villain challenges as well. 

I figured this out a long time ago actually. I knew he would hunt Naturalist (or at least guessed strongly).

Lets look at Tactics.  Ambuscade - Quick Stim Patch - Flavor text:

"Now I know just how dangerous the monster is... It shall be mine!" - Ambuscade, Unnatural #1

Love to see the new story content...but honestly, I'm more interested in the extras, especially when it comes to the Tactics stuff. The extras are what will convince people to pre-order, rather than wait for retail. Otherwise, I don't see why people would spend the extra cash on the shipping. What's the hold up on explaining the new character panels or the promo cards? That's the selling point!

Yeah I would agree with that story content can be revealed while the product is being finished.  This still has a month left so there is certainly time left for them to reveal it.  

Adam posted an additional picture of the Slaughterhouse Six.  https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/565253693218779138/photo/1

I really like the Slaughterhouse Six from what I've seen.  Obviously they are an homage to Spider-Man's Sinister Six and I've noticed (as I'm sure have many others) that each original Sinister Six member (seemingly) has a direct analog in the Slaughterhouse Six:

Kraven/Ambuscade:  Big game hunters who get sick of hunting animals and turn to the "most dangerous game"

Manta Ray Guy/Dr. Octopus:  out-of-shape, sea animal-themed villains

Magma Guy/Sandman:  monstrous mineral creatures presumably with the minds of men

Electric Guy/Electro:  no explanation needed

Laser Bird Guy/Vulture:  no explanation needed

"Smoke and Mirrors"/Mysterio:  no explanation needed (and I'm officially predicting "Smoke and Mirrors" as her villain identity)

It's almost a shame that these ladies and gents will share one deck because it seems like they could be a threat all on their own.  The GtG guys really have a knack for putting a new and interesting spin on something safe and familiar.  I can't wait for this set. 

It might be that the most mercenary among them will appear playable in Tactics, after all. Bigger and better money, y'know?

Dang it, I've been Ninja'd.

I just saw the tweet and was going to call out the Mysterio reference.

If each person has a different target though here would be my guesses.

Ambuscade: Naturalist and Haka (I doubt he'd give up on Haka, instead he's trying to hone his skills. Or [if prime wardens is a good example] he beat Haka, captured him, and now no longer sees the challenge.)

Mirror Lady: Tachyon or setback (we've seen Tachyon beating Mirror Lady [leaving the crack in her mask seen in Tactics] but we've seen her beating Setback so it's 50/50)

Magma guy: Unity (she's shown fighting him and the idea of building metal versus melting metal appeals to me)

Vulture Guy: Fanatic ( wings are probably this guy's obsession)

Electric guy: No good guesses, my best move is Setback again but it's a cheap guess since he's the only hero shown with this guy

Manta: Also no good guesses, but the armband is making me think Wraith  for some reason

Sorry for the double post but I was just struck by a thought.

The similiarities between Magma guy from Slaughterhouse Six and Radioactivist are huge, so much so that they are constantly confused with each other. This bugs me, because Christopher and Adam are both too good to do something like that by accident.

What if they are the same person?

Radioactive powers might act like radioactive material, degrading over time and requiring increasing control and focus to hold onto human form. This ties into the Sandman concept. What would also tie in is this guy being a minion for multiple villians. Sandman (from what I remember) was always a thug, always working someone else's game. It would be fascinating if they turned out to be the exact same guy in two different stages of control.

Honestly, the only similarity is that they both glow orange. They look nothing alike other than that. 

Radioactivist: Wears pants / standard Human body dimensions / "veiny" texture to body

Magma: No Cloths / Skewed body dimensions / "Juggernaut" shaped head) / smooth texture body

Could they be the same person, with the Slaughter House 6 version being like a more degraded form of Radioactivist? I can't say "no" for certain, but I have strong feelings that they are two very different villains.

Now that I think about it... doesn't Manta Raymond fit the yellow profile on the back of Rook City Wraith's character card?

As for electric guy, I'm guessing Tempest. Natural lightning control, and all.

Magma guy MIGHT be Unity, but honestly I don't think she fits the theme of "unique trophies." I would guess Absolute Zero. He obviously has a heat problem, and AZ has a cold problem. Plus a permanently-cold, self-preserving corpse would be pretty unique.

Just got paied So Ordered the new Tactics stuff WOW I now have $250 in preorders, Hope that helps GTG

Nope

Manta has prominent ears, and no overhanging nose piece to speak of.  The yellow guy has a very smooth head, and a large nose (or nosepiece).  It looks like he is wearing a mask that comes over his eyes and nose, with a large beaky looking bit overhanging his (or her) lips, slanted forward and down.

UPDATE! https://greaterthangames.com/content/oversized-cards-and-promos-and-panels

Scholar, The Sentinels, Chrono and Naturalist. Nice!

*patiently waits for full Scholar art*

Hmm in my calculations its 4 more villains? Or i am wrong? Can someone do a precise count?

I am unreasonably excited about this.

The Idealist looks like she grew up a bit! Interesting! She also looks like that "new character" in Sentinel Tactics that Adam posted a couple weeks ago. Huh.

I wonder if you can play with a mix of the Sentinels promo cards and their originals, or if you have to swap out all of them. Very excited for a Chrono promo!

Yep that is right

To me, it looks like naturalist and (possibly) Chronoranger teamed up with the sentinels.(?)

I'm sorta iffy with the scholar also joining because of the colour scheme, although that could also be.

Don't forget I'm probably wrong about everything...

I'm excited for the new promo villains. There are 23 villain decks in existence. Add in the Operative and the 4 known promos (Blade, Omnitron, Spite, and GloomWeaver) and you get 28. With the new blister pack villain as another that gets us to 29, so those two new villain promos Christopher mentions in the link are not promo Gloomy and Spite but two brand spanking new promos we haven't seen with a small card. Who those could be is going to be verrrrry interesting.

EDIT: dshields, you forgot the Operative who has her own character cards and so is likely to get the oversized treatment and the bonus villain who is in a blister pack rather than part of VotM.

Now I'm kind of annoyed I didn't include the oversized villain cards in my pre-order. I wonder if they would let me change it or if I have to pay for shipping again :/

Looking at it again, Chrono kinda reminds me of Starlord...

Probably the headphones

EDIT: 2 in 2 days! I'm impressed!

I do not remember reading anywhere that they will be also makeing another mini-expansion villain with it. (Is that something you should not have said??)

The art is such a tease, but it all looks very solid.

Most excited about Scholar obviously.

Very interested in the Writhe's story and if his promo will address his suspected momentary loss of control.

Naturalist looks like he might have the best costume change of all the Promo characters ever.

I think he is meaning the mini-expansion villain in VotM preorder

Copy/Paste from the Pre-Order Announcment. Emphassis mine.

This expansion for Sentinels of the Multiverse adds ten Vengeance-style Villains and two Environments.

For every copy of Villains of the Multiverse you order, you will also receive three art prints, a set of 7 promo cards, a villain mini-expansion, and an environment mini-expansion!

There are 28 so far, including the character cards for the Ennead and the Operative. That leaves one for the mini-expansion, and 2 for the new promo villains.

Also, is it just me or does Writhe look like a solid black Guise now?

I think that all bald faceless people tend to look similar.  Dr. Medico looks basically the same as well, except he has a mask.

Medico had a mask before (didn't he?), but I think it might've been black rather than green.

All the Sentinels have green in the preview artwork.  Though Writhe is the only one where the green shows up as more of an accent.  Wonder why they went with Green as their team color.  I can't wait for more backstory on the new promos 

The Prime Wardens have a monopoly on all the other colours.

Because they are the newest team. They are "green" 

Perhaps that's old news, but I'm intrigued by the fact that 2 existing villains of Sentinel Tactics will join For Profit, with new character panels...

Ambuscade seems like an obvious candidate, since he already worked with the Slaughterhouse Six (including Mirror lady), and needs money to back his costly hobby. The other will surely be Proletariat, though seeing a hero of the people join a profit-oriented group would make me a sad panda. Can't wait for tomorrow's update... 

I'm 100% with you. Ambuscade and Pro are the most likely choices. I would say Operative, but I think she is too busy trying to run her own criminal syndicate to be a part of yet another group. And we already know Ambuscade and Pro are known to sell their services.

i was wondering if anyone thought that the smoke and mirrors character from the slaughterhouse six in adam's picture kinda looks like nightmist with red hair and red smoke......

Okay the front of For Profit has 4 characters on it.

The original box had 9 characters, and Uprising had 6.

I can't imagine them going with a villain team of 6 characters, and I don't think they'd show those 4 like that is they weren't all chracters.

So is For Profit a villain heavy expansion?  2 heroes and a team of 6 villains?

We already know 4 of the heroes in Broken City and at least 1 villain.

Obviously we don't have long to wait, but I will be sad if we get a new panel for Ambuscade, He loses his powers and becomes a major player?  That just seems wierd.

It would also be wierd for the first two promo panels to be non-major players in the storyline.

I was hoping for some of the underbosses to develop into their own decks, but they would need far more than Character Panels.

I will be very sad if Proletariat becomes a greedy capitalist criminal.  That would be really sad and a terrible way to develop a character.

His character in Tactics he's become a man whose Ideals are out of touch with the world, and is both hero and villain as he fights whatever oppression of the pople he finds.

That is freaking awesome, to go from that to fighting for money needs one hell of a story behind it or it is just bad.  I don't see that story happening between two mini-expansions.  You'd need some distance.

My secret, incredibly unlikely hope is that one is Maia.  Maybe she doesn't have the money to maintain the Freedom V the way the others spend money, and Legacy probably doesn't charge for saving the world.  Her heading up a team on the side just for funding, justifying it to herself that the FV is far more important than the harm her side project causes.

That would be awesome.

I think it is, yes. As a note, Adam did say either here or on Twitter that For Profit kinda changes up the normal hero/villain dynamic we are used to in a significant way. That response from him is starting to get a little more context.

So maybe For Profit is a team that can be either.  That would be cool.

As for Pro and capitalism. We have seen that he is willing to do work for cash in Uprising. But what wouldn't surprise me is Pro having a lot of friction between other members of For Profit gang. Imagine if someone tries to pull a "Im the leader so I get a bigger share of the profit" card. You think the communist is going to agree with that? I imagine we will see a bunch of infighting between the villains of this set. That would make sense in context of Adams comments about it.

How many shares does Pro get?

As many as his clones can carry.

The shadowy figure tells Proletariat it has been a highly equitable business transaction, but what that transaction is isn't described.

Proletariat doesn't seem to be in it for money, he delivers the shards "as demanded" and then states he is always ready to work.

Whatever is going on there, I seriously doubt he is a mercenary in that interaction.  It doesn't fit his bio for tactics, or the way he acts.

wondering if we will get any hero decks in the villians set. Would be nice especially if preorders hit a certain amount. They are on track to easily be over 5000 this time around.

Edit: nevermind i cant read when it says currently the count is around 1700

Update

https://greaterthangames.com/content/for-profit

This is the coming of the Hippocalypse.

But really, I like the idea of For Profit being the "protagonists" of the expansion. I feel like I'll be rooting for these guys more than the heroes. They seem like really cool villains.

Now that is true fan service

The Uprising expansion had six characters in the box.   Is the promo verions of Ambuscade and Operative there in place of two other characters?   

Also, I can see the Hippocalypse being auto banned In the tourneys.  Just too much awesome coming from that.

HIPPOCALYPS !!!!!!!!!!

Beck Blast seems to be new. I wonder if she will show up in the FILTER deck in VotM with Sgt. Steel and other members of their strike force?

Glamour. We finally have a name for our villain. The bio makes it sound as if there have been many different people that took up the Glamour title, as this is the "lastet" Glamour. I'm surprised the bio didn't mention her working for Ambuscade in the past, but that might be because it was a different Glamour than the one in For Profit.

I wonder if we will see Heartbreaker in SotM somewhere. Being an assasin and being shown stabbing Fixer, maybe he will show up in the Operatives VotM deck?

Ambuscade is said to have worked against other villains in the past. I would like to know more about that angle of his character and which villains he has gone up against.

Should I start the hype train for an Operative/Ambuscade villainship? 

Oddities: Doesn't it seem weird that Operative (being one of the best assasins we have seen) is working with Heartbreaker? Becky Blast is an explosives expert while Ambuscade has a ton of experience in that department already. What do Heartbreaker and Becky Blast bring to the table that Ambuscade and Operative can't? 

Becky Blast will clearly bring the sass that Ambuscade lacks.

I really like this new team. Of course, I'm always a fan of more canonical teams, so that way we can have more team vs matches in Tactics. Can't wait to pit Dark Watch vs. For Profit (minus Am & Op) and see who's better.

Ambuscade probably tried to hunt Deadline at some point, seeing as he's a new, alien life form. I could see Ambuscade being interested in hunting the last of a certain species.

I'm wondering this as well. 

Will "For Profit" require the Uprising expansion? If For Profit features Operative and Ambuscade in their scenario books, it seems we would need both power cards AND tokens for both characters. Seems like a waste for those who already have Uprising to get doubles of the power cards?

If For Profit only contains character panels for Operative and Ambuscade, then it should be noted that Uprising expansion is required. 

And does this mean that the "6 characters" included in For Profit include Ambuscade and Operative, or are there 2 hero characters also being introduced?

We've already seen 1 of the new characters in Adam's art. https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/558713670784786432/photo/1
And here's new art of another character. https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/565946433451622400/photo/1

The 2nd one is getting attacked by Hippocalypse so it's probably a hero. While the 1st has some similarities with Mangrove it doesn't neccesarily mean that it's him. Though Adam did say "For Profit redefines the hero/villain dynamic you may be used to" so we may see more villains that just the For Profit team.

In the second picture, it looks like the lady from the Enclave of the Endlings (Not Jansa, but the smaller target). Can someone pick up my slack and remind me of her name? It'd be neat if she came back as a hero.

EDIT: Looked again, I don't think it's her.

WHO IS THIS?!?!?!

Major Edit: 

Could it be a major coincidence that this new character has the same hands and feet as Deadline? Same skin color? This dude has a much different head and sports a tail...but there are some striking similarities there? 

Could this be an atlantean? Or related to one of the bad guys we see stabbing tempest in his Prime Warden incap art? 

This guy reminds me a lot of Ma'alefa'ak from an art perspective. That is the nemesis of Martian Manhunter. Tempest draws a lot of inspiration from Martian Manhunter. Let the speculation run wild my children.

I'd forgotten about the one piece from Adam which I believe is speculated to be Mangrove.  

I think the Dinosaur person may be Karnal, from Exemplar's crew.

Also, could Hearbreaker be Tony Taurus?

Karnel seems like a random shot in the dark guess. Any reasoning there?

Tony as Heartbreaker is a pretty damn interesting theory though

According to the post today, For Profit does not contain  character panels for Operative and Ambuscade. They are promo character panels that come along with it in this pre-order.

The bio made it sound like Operative and Ambuscade would figure into the For Profit scenarios, thats the reason I asked. I guess it depends on how the Scenarios are figured out.

Hippocalypse, that is awesome.

An Operative that loses her insane near death bonus will be interesting.

And for Ambuscade. . . he went through several innate powers, wonder if one is making a comeback.

From the For Profit page:

now they've been contacted by a new client who wants significantly more dangerous work from them... but is offering a LOT more money!

We already see art of Ambuscade hunting in swamps in Tactics. Maybe RevoCorp needs these two creatures for something? Assuming RevoCorp is the new employer, as it's kinda hinted as much at the end of Uprising. 

It could also be that Dark Watch or the Wraith is offering them money to prove that Revocorp is up to no good, or to help break up Exemplar's organization.  Pitting the villains against one another is the kind of thing that I could see Expatriette planning.

It could also be that Revocorp is hiring them to continue accumulating articles of power from the other villains- sending them to steal Oblivion Shards from Dawn, or to pilfer Baron Blade's tech! 

That would definitely be "changing up the hero-villain dynamic."

What if the heroes with it get scenarios for villians to work against?

I'm not sure I would put Tony (as a Noir PI) on either side of the law, just his own side. I'd like to throw in the unnamed detective on Quick Draw into the mix as a possible candiate for Heartbreaker, he was definitely on one side of the law at some point.

Could Heartbreaker be the mini-expansion villain?

I really like this theory. Playing the villain underdogs (though Ambuscade and the Operative are nothing but underdogs) hired by a hero to face an even more villainous threat could really be a fun side story and change of pace.

Of course, the possibility of pillaging Revocorp's riches would also be a strong motivation…

I want to play a scenario where you are trying to steal something from Stinson's lab past the FV security.

That would be wicked.

What heroes are we expecting to see in Broken City and For Profit?

The four members of Dark Watch on the box. Minus Exemplar and his five goons and the four members of For Profit, that still leaves room for 2 heroes from each set for a total of four potential hero characters.

We can assume NightMist won't be reappearing on the team anytime soon. And while I would love to see Haka and Tempest in Tactics, they seem like they belong to a future expansion focused on the Prime Wardens.

Chrono-Ranger would be cool but we already are getting a gun-wielding hero with Expatriette. Possibly still on earth, Sky-Scraper would absolutely awesome with her size-changing abilities, but would also be problematic in that she would require extra minis. I could definitely see some individual members of the Sentinels as their own characters. I believe Adam posted a picture of someone who looked kinda like the Idealist on Twitter.

I would personally love an 11th hour reveal of Nightmist for Broken City. Unlikely as that may be. 

Think about it, we have the Dark Watch up against Pike and a small army of superhumans, they're outmatched and outgunned. In comic book lore, the moment when they're on the ropes/all but defeated is the perfect moment for a missing and possibly dead former member (let alone one powerful enough to turn the tide by herself) to return, kick ass, and rejoin the team. That would also open up Voss to return in the Prime Wardens set. 

Oh well, wishful thinking and all that...

It would be neat to have Nightmist stuck in mistform unable to turn solid again

Well, we do know that there are 3 extra minis in the mini pack. I was thinking The Sentinels (with one character card and a shared health, a la proletariat) but Sky-scraper would be neat too. It would still leave one more un-accounted for. Nightmist and Mist Form, maybe?

He also said "Someone new to Sentinel Comics!" in that post meaning they have never appeared before. Idealist also has blue energy, not green.

Actually, now that I think about it, the extra 3 minis could just be Glamour’s. She does have that thing with mirrors, and all.

FANATIC!

would be awesome.

But that's probably for another main box, teams and all.

Parse or Naturalist would work.  Naturalist would need multiple minis, 3 to be exact. . .  But then so would The Sentinels.

Naturalist might get four - his 3 animal forms + human form.

He needs an extra figure, just in case there's a fixed point happening.

I was going to point out how there are 4 heroes getting promos, and 4 previously-unknown villains in VotM, and at the very least we know that The Scholar and Biomancer are nemeses, so maybe there is a correlation there…

But then I realized that one of them is The Naturalist, who apparently is the new Ambuscade’s nemesis, so there goes that idea.

About the two still unknown characters in For Profit...

Could one of those be the Captain Cold feminine wannabe seen on Tachyon's Hypersonic Assault? After all, she appears here alongside Glamour and Heartbreaker (or is it him?).

As for the other characters in Broken City... Could it be that Spite (or whatever his new name will be) now has two different forms, with two different minis? One would would be covered in purple flames (as seen on the cover of Broken City), while the other would be his "normal" form, like seen on Tachyon's Sucker Punch?

Speaking of which... On Visionary's Foresight, we see a purple-flamed Spite (if it's him) seemingly killing the Seer. That is surely linked to the Broken City campaign. So perhaps (though it's unlikely) the Seer will appear here, possibly as a hero ?

The purple flame guy is probably one of Exemplar’s goons, who are all named after (and therefore probably themed after) Spite’s drugs. Pike invented them, after all.

Their names are Karnal, Grudge, MindPhyre, Cyst, and Demon Hand. Guess which one purple fire man is.

Until we get confirmation, you could be right. When you're speculating, you should be more concerned with being interesting than being right.

Sure, but I would be surprised if those weren't linked with Spite in any other way (once again, the purple flame guy-demon hand?- look too much like Spite to be a completely different person).

Could it be that they ALL are what remains of Spite, diffracted into different beings by the conjoint action of Gloom's Magic and Pike's drugs wreckage ? Each would represent one aspect of what used to be known as Spite... A magic one (demon hand), a bulky one (Grudge ?), a difformed one (Cyst or Karnal?), a psychic one (Mindphyre)...

Ok, that was just some stupid speculation...

100% agree. And everything you said was interesting!

Thanks to both of you.

By the way, after re-reading the presentation of Broken City, it seems(a bit) more likely that Demon hand and co would be clones of Spite (since they are "genetically" created, or something like that), each being differently modified, especially by an heavy exposition to one of Pike's drugs. 

Edit : (ninjaed) And Foote's speculation is far more interesting than mine! 

As for the missing hero in Broken City, I call the Alchemist!!

Each name has some sort of connection either through art or name alone to all 5 of Spites drugs. It could be that Spite himself has diffracted into all these different bodies. My guess is that Pike has had time to perfect all 5 of those different syrums after seeing the "success" of Spite, and used them on 5 new (maybe old?) individuals.

Looking at the current set of Tactics cards, we see Spite twice (Tachyon and Wraiths cards). I kinda speculate that Visionary's Foresight also has Demon Hand or Mindphyre because it looks like Spites face, but we can't know for sure. Whats interesting is in Wraiths Throwing Knives we only see the mask and no body. What if all 5 of these new goons even look like Spite and wear the same red mask? If the Battle for Broken City box hints at anything, is that these goons strongly resemble Spite in looks and in name. Tachyon could be punching Grudge while Wraith is actually fighting one of the others (we never see a body to compare it to the one Tachyon fights remember). Flavor text also never specifically calls Spite out by name.

Just something to think about.

Probably none in For Profit actually. Consider this:

https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/558713670784786432

Now, Mangrove could be just a scenario character true. But if Mangrove is one of the 2 remaining characters (and we do have card art of Ambuscade sludging through a swamp in Tactics remember), then possibly the other remaining character isn't nessesarily a hero either.

As for Broken City? My guess is on Naturalist and the new Sentinel Comics character that was hinted at here: x.com

Yeah, green energy girl has to be a lock for Broken City, otherwise Adam is flat out misleading us, and that usually isn't a thing.

Second, Naturalist makes a ton of sense.  Especially if minions aren't mini's like in Flame of freedom and uprising.

Yup, green energy girl is most likely one of the new heroes, though she doesn't strike me as visually interesting or distinctive enough yet (unlike the For Profit cast, for example)... She could just be a minion, too (wishful thinking, since I so want to see new versions of old heroes).

From Adam's art, it is likely that she comes from the future (Terminator reference in her pose, though she isn't naked...). We also know that she is "new to Sentinel Comics"... Which could mean that she's an entirely new character (of course), but (English not being my first language, I could be -yet again- completely mistaken) couldn't that mean that she's a younger version of a known older heroine ? The Sentinel Comics would be "new" to her, since it would be subjectively her first appearance... Stretching things a bit...

Anyway, she could also be a new person inheriting a known masked identity (like happened with Ra, and seems to be the case with Glamour)... Then the whole "green energy" linking her to Infinitor could mean that she somehow inherited his powers (in the future?), perhaps because she is his daughter ? Let's just hope she's a bit less insane than him... By the way, green energy is also a linked to the AA, but nothing in her appearance seems to hint at her being a virtuoso of the void...

And I would love to see Naturalist as a Tactics hero... Different shaped minis would be cool...

I have a feeling we won't see Naturalist until a future Tactics box.  On one hand The Naturalist's association with Argent Adept makes me think we'll see him teaming up with AA and the Prime Wardens.  It wouldn't surprise me if we end up getting a third (or fourth) base set box with Argent Adept, Haka, Tempest, Fanatic, The Naturalist and one more hero with a giant sized Akash'Bhuta and as well as either Deadline or the Ennead.

So why no Captain Cosmic? Because I think they'll save him for a another future box OR they'll do something like they are currently doing with Abuscade and The Operative, he'll be included but he'll come with a different panel in a future release.

My only concern really is what happened to Nightmist (or what will happen?) On one hand Nightmist is Richard Launius's creation…so I'm wondering if we'll see her return with the others of Dark Watch, on the other hand I could see them saving her for a future box with a magic powered hero/villain set and her background story is that she got caught between time and space while also trying to avoid Gloomweaver and Voss (or the earlier speculated Vossweaver?) Which also makes me wonder about the "End" of Sentinels of the Multiverse…(the story arc)

https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/566389530979074048

It looks like Spite might be making an appearance in Broken City and he has definitely seen better days.

I'm going to speculate that he's not very happy to find that there are five other druggies in his old stomping grounds trying to steal his thunder. He's probably not going to be too friendly with the heroes who repeatedly kicked his butt over the years either...

Well, it fits with the multi-Spite theory. This one would be... Cyst (or Karnal) ? Whatever it is, it's good news !

It looks like Spite from his flipped side in SotM.  I don't think the Spite image was a sneak peek but moreso commentary about his drawing of the drugged out Spite.  

No, these are definitely different pictures, for one, the regular "Drug-racked Monstrosity" Spite has a purplr background.

I'm pretty sure he meant that Adam was commenting on his newest drawing of drugged out Spite. My question is why he would draw drugged out Spite in such a complete, non warm-up sketch way if he wasn't going to use it for anything. Anyway, it might just be wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be cool to have every character from the original Rook City expansion (minus Plague Rat) show up in Broken City?

It may not be exactly the same though it is similar.  I still don't believe this was specifically a teaser for either preorder.

Maybe it was his drawing of Spite for Story Wars, some of that art was done before the kickstarter went live. 

Spites old body (the one pictured there) was destroyed when Gloomweaver possessed it to be the Skinwalker. I have my doubts this is from Tactics. But it could be 

Maybe now that the Idealist is older, she's branching out to form her own hero group - a group of telekinetic teenage girls who fight crime?  GEG (Green Energy Girl) could be her first recruit.

are we getting dangerously close to powerpuff girls territory here? 

Man, I hope so!

Rook City is coming up for Digital release, so Adam will be drawing all of rook city again.

Ooops, so true… In fact, such a drug-wracked Spite would a hell to turn into a mini for Tactics (not speaking of a pre-paint)…

Still, I would love to see him… Or that… In Broken City.

Oh, and I suppose Green Energy Girl is also the girl appearing in Proletariat's Defensive Sacrifice?

That's what it looked like to me.

Spite is surely long dead by the time Tactics comes around - he's an undead zombie thingy on his GloomSpite promo version thingy, after all, so even if he was still around, I highly doubt he'd resemble his former self so closely (his zombie version didn't, after all) ;). I reckon the possibility of it just being a redraw for the computer version of Rook City is a good call :).

new update: https://greaterthangames.com/content/zhu-longs-operative

But who is her new nemesis?! We need to know!

But hot damn that new costume is just the best.

I would guess still Mr Fixer as I could see him dealing her mortal blow if it came down to it.   My second guess is Expat.  

Yeah, I said in the comments "I'ma go with Slim."

I've actually wondered who dealt that blow to the Operative. If it is the scene from the back of her card then I wondered if it was Parse, because the Operative is peppered with broken arrows.

This is interesting though, seeing that she was brought to Zhu Long that means the healing vats either weren't enough or were unavaible (perhaps destroyed by the heroes in the same attack that wounded her). However, she's still planning on returning to Pike's side at this point which means he and the Organization still are around to be dealt with. It could be the reason the Operative is still around after the Organization fell is becase Zhu Long had her away at the time, leading to her actually not knowing what happened to Pike and recreating the Organization in Tactics. Could it be possible that Zhu Long did it on purpose? Perhaps he felt Pike was a direct threat to him since he was also a near immortal with powers over death, so he found a way to sabotage Pike and remove a rival, as well as taking Pike's protege for his own.

Well. . .

If the Operative is active, the heroes can't win.

So she is taken out of the picture, and the Organization falls.  She finishes paying off her debt, but can't find the Chairman and starts rebuilding the Organization.

She fails.  Then joins For Profit, as Pike Returns.

The story of Broken City and For Profit will be interesting.

There’s nothing to suggest she fails, for profit and whatever alliances are made can all be in aid of her setting up her organisation.

From the For Profit update:

 the failure of her attempt to gain a foothold in Megalopolis

I posted this two weeks ago, but I didn't want to draw extra attention to it in the meantime due to all the troubles GtG were experiencing with EU Shipping for Wrath.  Now that's finished, though, I'm sure they're happy to hear about more EU shipping problems.  Right?  :D

• 0-10lbs: $40
• 11-20lbs: $45
• 21-30lbs: $50
• 31-40lbs: $55
• 41-50lbs: $60
• 51-60lbs: $65
• 61-70lbs: $70
• 71-80lbs: $75
• 81-90lbs: $80
• 91-100lbs: $85
• 101-110lbs: $90
• 111-120lbs: $95
• 121-130lbs: $100

• For Profit: $29.23
• Broken City & For Profit: $57.95 (additional charge for Broken City = $28.72)
• Villains, Broken City, & For Profit: $64.08 (1 copy of Villains added to the order costs $6.13)
• Villains x2, Broken City, & For Profit: $69.33 (1 copy of Villains added to the order costs $5.25)
• Villains x3, Broken City, & For Profit: $78.09 (1 copy of Villains added to the order costs $8.76)
• Villains x4, Broken City, & For Profit: $91.70 (1 copy of Villains added to the order costs $13.61)

First, The Operative agreed to work with him. After her loss of status with the fall of Rook City, and then the failure of her attempt to gain a foothold in Megalopolis, she was ready for a change of pace. Taking money and keeping it for herself seemed a lot easier than her previous assignments, and actually working for herself was just the change she needed. 

I'm starting to wonder if VotM will have a theme of villains working for other villains.  Plague Rat is working for RevoCorp, the Operative is working for Zhu Long, and although Ambuscade is technically independant, he does have other villains working with/for him, and he got his powers from other villains (RevoCorp?).

And if Miss Information's new look didn't come from an accident in her battle with the heroes, I'm betting she got some upgrades from someone else as well.

Estelindis: Send a message to warehouse@greaterthangames.com and someone should get back to you ASAP. Yeah, I have no idea how much these are going to weigh, but that doesn't seem quite right. Unfortunately, I don't know what GTG is using for those calculations or if they're getting the numbers from another source.

Would you share any response you get? I'm in the north of England and I'm might interested in the shipping charges.

Adam posted an image dealing with today's update again. https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/567393975049261057/photo/1

I feel sorry for the Sentinels 

Particle man, particle man…

EDIT: I first thought Particle Man, but Spider Pig fits better.

Rabit, I don't expect a reply today - I think it's a holiday in the States?  However, if there's no reply for a few days, I will follow your suggestion and email them.

slaaneshi611: of course I will share any response I get!  :)

I like how Writhe looks more surprised than anything else.

If the EU shipping works anything like Canada's, there should be a separate flat rate shipping option to select besides the regular one.

Edit: If I choose United Kingdom I see a preorder flat rate, but if I choose Ireland I don't get that. So..... ask Craig & Jodie =)

I would like if one of the environments in Villains is what we see here. Maybe Zhu Longs temple is in the Himalayas?

Thanks for the suggestion, MigrantP!  I'll fire off an email.  I was kinda wondering how something like this happened, but it makes more sense if it's only for some EU countries, or maybe even only one.

Edit: Email was clearly the better approach.  Within two minutes, I had an answer promising to look into it.  :)

I think that the vats aren't so much "healing" vats as they are cloning tanks.  "Bio-mimetic" with the emphasis on "mimetic".  Sure, you could probably use them in a medical capacity to make skin grafts or grow new organs, but my bet is that the Chairman's plan involved growing new copies of Spite, and OD'ing each clone on one specific drug.  That way, insteasd of one maniac on all the drugs, he has 5 maniacs on one drug each.  

So- Demon hand is likely the purple fire one on the Broken City box (and the Visionary's "Foresight" card), we've got another on Wraith's "Throwing Knives" card (he certainly looks beefy), another (grudge maybe) being sucker punched by Tachyon, Cyst on adam's recent post...

My guess is, each has the red mask, since each one thinks of himself as "Spite".  And for all we know, they may all hate one another. 

Exactly

Narratively, that actually sounds really cool.

Didn't they already do that exact same narrative with Ra in Flames of Freedom though?

What?  A superhero who came back from the dead?  Multiple superheroes coming back from the dead?  Say it ain't so!

For the record, Craig very quickly sorted out the Irish shipping problem.  :)  I can now see just how delightfully reasonable the flat rates are.  For Broken City, For Profit, and five copies of Villains, the rate was still only $40.  In a rush of abandon, I increased it to 20 copies of Villains, and even then it was only $55.  So reasonable!   Looking forward to getting a big pre-order group together.  Thanks to GtG for making this effort for EU customers. 

Ra coming back in Flames of Freedom is before any of the villain shenanigans start. it's not really an 11th hour save so much as it's a "oh, you're back, and so is he..."  I guess what I was trying to convey was the idea that Nightmist wouldn't even appear in the scenarios until the end of scenario 1 or 2, turn the tide, and then the next scenario would be the heroes retaking Rook City from Exemplar.  it would be better if the packaging allowed Nightmist to be ina  seperate sleeve kind of like Risk legacy, and you don't even get access to her until the appropriate moment in the scenario booklet, but that's really asking too much. 

Risk Legacy? There's no risk, he has Danger Sense!

Risk Legacy? Baron Blade started by taking Australia.

Unless they change it up though the heroes themselves so far haven’t made scenario appearances.
There have been specific heroes appearing in the comic sections but when it comes to the scenarios you’re free to choose whoever you like. I’m not sure I see this changing as limiting player selection is usually considered a bad thing unless really necessary.

This comment pleases me so much.  :D  Iron Legacy would have no problem taking Asia and spreading out from there, though…  Blade wouldn't be safe even in Australia.

While Iron Legacy was taking out Asia, there was something else looking to take out Asia.

They used to call it the Moon.

I want a global domination game for Sentinels, villains only.

Play as Deadline and remove your opponent's country from the game. After all, it's for their own good ;).

Iunno, Ra's return read more like a "Hey, check out the new guy? Wait, is he a new guy?" The mystery and ambiguity was part of the structure of that reveal.

What I'm reading mackcrockett is suggesting is much more of a unvarnished last minute calvary save with triumphant music and all that jazz.

Was the countdown always there?

No, it just recently showed up in the past few days.

Update on the Dark Watch: https://greaterthangames.com/content/sentinel-tactics-dark-watch

The Matriarch is now "Pinion!"

Wow.  So Mr. Fixer did die, fought the Dark Watch then joined them, and at one point Pinion and Nihtmist were both in the Dark Watch at the same time.

Man I hope we get a hero deck for Pinion in the card game, if Nightmist's death happened early on in that bad decade Lillian could be a Dark Watch member before the card game ends.

Please!!  I want a 5 hero Dark Watch!

Also I think this spells the Matriarch as the focus of the end of the card game as being unlikely, it seems she is much more important in tactics.

It could still be, but it seems less likely now.

With his auto mechanic side, I'm surprised that Fixer didn't redub himself "Rack". Then the Dark Watch would have a Rack and Pinion.

Pinion

the outer part of a bird's wing including the flight feathers.

or

cut off the pinion of (a wing or bird) to prevent flight.

Taking all bets on which definition >G is using!

Pinion.

STEAMPUNK MATTY!

That's just your oPinion.

So you're saying she's the smallest gear in the Dark Watch?

Everyone knows that it’s the difference between a crow and a raven.

(Which actually seems fitting, given Lillian’s transition from villain to hero)

I'm not a fan of the name "Pinion."  However, as Silverleaf says, that's just my oPinion.  :D

Very cool to learn more about what happened to Mr. Fixer.

Also, this confirms, I think, that there will be other heroes (at least one more) in Broken City.

And Pinion fought alongside Nightmist. Does that mean she’ll show up in SotM?

That's our Christopher, wheels within wheels.

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m pretty geared up about this announcement.

Could the stand-alone villain we’re getting with VotM be evil Fixer?

The true nature of her mask? She is totally important to the big bad, especially considering how her powers are manefesting with teaching from Nightmist. She controls "eldritch forces", powers that are otherworldy. It's what I have speculated for a long time now. She takes over in the "magical ally" spot that Nightmist kinda held.

It looks confirmed that Nightmist has died. MISTSTORM! I'm tellin you guys. Keep an eye out for more information on that.

DW Fixer's dragon tatoo makes a TON of sense now, with the inclusion of Zhu Longs Operative. Operative was also reincarnated by Zhu Long, making her a servant of his. Hence the dragoon tattoo we see her sport. Her character card in the Organizations deck is probably after she regained her position as Chairmans right hand and before it was taken down for good by the Dark Watch. Likewise, Fixer was also reincarnated by Zhu Long, hence why he was fighting against our heros. Hence his dragon tattoo. His "undying rage" he felt after being brought back to life makes sense in context of "Bitter Strike" 

Who said NightMist died?

Who said she didn’t?

The loss of an ally and close friend shook the team, driving them their separate ways. However, they have reunited for a common cause: the Battle for Broken City. 

Maybe she is just no longer an ally.

In which case that dreaded miststorm that is causeing bad stuff is still related to her.

Which could be due to circumstance or personal choice.  If, for example, she became a ton of uncontrolled mist, that would be circumstance.  If she became a villain, that might be personal choice.

Maybe they lost her at the mall.

Yeah those surprise shopping trips aren't very fun with Spite.  

I'm surprised there was no mention of whether Setback and Expat are still an item.  

Lost =/= Dead

When the members of Darkwatch took a heavy hit, Nightmist donated her organs to save them. There's now a piece of her in all of them.

Maybe Scholar can somehow teach her how to control her forms like he can control his Mortal Form to Energy? There's still hope. We'll see what his promo art brings to the table.

I don't think she's either lost or dead.

The part about Pinion says Her magical abilities have steadily increased; from learning of the nature of the mask she wears to studying alongside Faye Diamond,

Faye is Nightmist, and that isn't past tense. I think she is still perfectly fine, just either no longer part of the Dark Watch, or not interested/able to help clean up Broken City

or maybe she's no longer nightmist, as in, the mist curse has left her, so she doesn't have the powers to continue the fighting as a hero, taking on a more side line/mentor role to the team.

Says she is no longer a close friend.

I wouldn't be their friend either after they ditched me at the mall.

You were showing people how to play SotM the video game, and there was a long line. I wasn’t going to wait.

Not a big fan of the name Pinion for Lilian... Though it does echo the whole "child at the center" theories in an interesting way. Now we know for sure that controlling birds was just an aside of the mask's power... Hope she'll still have some flock to play with, though!

And I'm amazed at how Adam's art is constantly getting better. Looking at those pictures, you get a great feeling of every DW's member personality... Thumbs up!

And Nightmist is now one of Exemplar's minion! You first heard it here! :P

x.com

Quote from Christopher on Twitter - "There will be birds."

Hm… I'm suddenly getting strong reminders of Worm.  I won't say more, due to major spoilers, but if you've read the story you should know what I'm talking about. (And if you haven't read the story, what are you waiting for?)

Do we see Nightmist in Wrath of the Cosmos, or chronologically later than regression darts?

Or did those regression darts take her powers.

It is possible she just isn't a super hero anymore.

She's on Progeny's Hour of Reckoning.

That's the one where she can't reform.  I wonder if she is stuck then between realms or in a Visionary like state of barely holding herself together enough to survive, but not enough to be useful in a fight.

But why are they no longer close friends?

Possibly because she can't manifest physically.

Sounds like fair-weather friends for a lady that turns into mist when moonlight hits her.

I agree with disliking "Pinion", mostly because it doesn't roll off the tongue very well. However, some of the things I saw while looking up the definition are really cool.

Small gear was supplied by Christopher.

MAtchstickman mentioned it was a birds wing and also is associated with cutting a bird's wing to prevent flight.

Other cool parts include:

Feather

To disable or shackle someone, or to be shackled "such as to be pinioned to one's bad habits"

With that 2nd defintion and the mention of Pinion having the ability of "ensnaring of any mortal" I think things not only got really awesome, but really dangerous.

Tangent:

"The loss of an ally and close friend shook the team, driving them their separate ways."

What if Nightmist isn't the one who was lost? If she is still seperated and dealing with her own issues that might explain her presence not being current but we have plenty of other heroes and side characters who could have been "lost". Chrono-Ranger is shown supposedly "lost in Time" him coming back in Tactics doesn't mean he wasn't lost for a long time. PArse is shown working with DarkWatch and we don't know if she's still around. Scholar same deal. Omnitron X, Argent Adept, Captain Cosmic, KNYFE, even Tony Taurus (who we suspect to be Heartbreaker) would be a major blow to Expat and team.

I like Pinion. It's birdsey but not just the name of a bird, which would have been easy to fall back on.

Pinion reminds me too much of The Dinner Game (for those who know the movie)...

Really digging the Dark Watch uniforms, they look individual enough to be Characters, but they are abviously a team.  Reminds me of 90's x-Men in that regard.

now stuck with the animated series theme song and fond memories...

Its telling that Christopher wrote that they went "their separate ways" instead of "EACH their separate ways". And yes, he's exactly the type of person who would choose his words that carefully.

My guess is that Setback and Expatriette went off to have adventures together (maybe thats why we have the "Lucky shot" series). 

Fixer probably went off to center himself and figure out what he was going to do (possibly running up against the Operative again)

Lillian probably went to (or finished) college.  She was a teenager, so the timing seems like it could work for her to spend 4-5 years in college, then another few studying magic, traveling, and getting into trouble. 

Nightmist... I don't know.  Foote has laid out some very, very good arguments for her turning into the miststorm.  Its also possible that she has been corrupted by the curse and is now bad, or she has assumed a more teaching role somewhere, now that the mists are their own thing (IE the miststorm)

As for the loss of the ally...

I think that something happened to Parse.  Either she is dead, or uploaded her brain (losing part of her humanity in the process), or betrayed the team in some fashion. 

We know that Parse was involved with the Citizens (Critical multiplier), the organization (arrows in the Operative's back and other cards), Spite (snap decision), skinwalker gloomy (updated intel shows the altar on gloomy's character card), Ambuscade (who was hunting Setback), Revocorp (she worked for them), Revenant (part of revocorp, and she fought Revenant)... Pretty much every single enemy of each member of Dark Watch is represented.  

If she died, or was enslaved, or became a quasi-sentient computer, or a brain in a jar, or turned out to be a villain- that would really screw with the team.

I'll guess that Matriarch played a pivotal role in both the appearance of (even if she was mostly unaware of the fact) and the ultimate defeat or removal of Progeny. If she helped with his (its?) defeat in any way, she'd have the praise she's always yearned for after all these years and could stand shoulder to shoulder with dear cousin Tachyon, which would very likely help her turn into Pinion, alongside NightMist going up to her soon after Progeny shenanigans to help her along the way. 

Control over a human, however, seems very likely to end badly in one way or another. It seems quite possible that Pinion will take this too far at some point as her next major story arc. Regardless, I'm sure Expatriette has contingency plans for her new fellow. She's not a stupid woman, and I'd imagine rather shrewd, what with her mother and all.

Here's hoping that we do manage to see Pinion in action in the Sentinels card game! If not in the final expansion, than maybe as a bonus Mini-Expansion after things wrap up. I can see the series continuing after its conclusion with further mini-expansions, really. No more boxes, but the occasional little wrap-up set? Eh?

I can say that I had become quite fond of the name Nevermore, however. IT seemed like such a great concluding statement for her new bio. Imagine: As  she looked upon her newfound friends, bloodied and battered after their seemingly endless fight against the Master and His Progeny, Lillian Corvus knew she would do evil deeds...Nevermore.

It's cute, right?

So Adam posted a new picture of Voss, saying he never thought he would draw Voss like that again...

https://twitter.com/GtGAdam/status/568816708699320320

Are we seeing a true Voss promo from a time before he gets banished by Nightmist? Could it be one of Biomancers Homunculus's?

Rampant speculation below folks!

Edit: also, I wanted to get my speculation in about the villain mini expansion. Toy Master!

We know the Dreamer has a nightmare about a toy master.  We've had discussions about the predictive nature of the Dreamer's various nightmares, so it seems entirely plausible that this version of Voss could be a puppet being controlled by someone else.  Perhaps the same person who turned Sky-Scraper into a puppet on her small incap?

This could also be related to Biomancer. Maybe he can make temporary duplicates out of scraps of DNA?   

Surely that was the Dreamer.

Here are some thoughts.

So, it's interesting that they refer to her as Faye, rather than Nightmist. Also, just because Lillian is studying under her doesn't mean she is in physical proximity to her.

My idea: She gets stuck in an alternate dimension or something (the loss of a close friend and ally previously mentioned, but she's not DEAD) and is tutoring Lillian from there.

Maybe she breaks the curse. She doesn't have powers any more, so Nightmist is gone. Faye can still be helpful as a mentor even if she doesn't have a good way to contribute directly in battles.

Even with the curse gone, wouldn't Faye still have most of her magical abilities?

Probably. She was using magic before she got cursed.

It’s also worth noting that neither of her incap arts show Faye without her curse. Neither looks much like they’re going turn into the miststorm either, but there you go.

Standard incap shows that she is bound, probably by magic.

The DW version looks like she is making a deal with the devil.

Hey! Don't go calling my lord names like that.

He likes Gloomster, O-G, and Funkweaver Gloom.

have we for certain established that Zhu Long reanimated Fixer? I thought that was asked of Chris back when the Dark Watch promos/Vengeance came out and he made it sound like Zhu Long had nothing to do with Fixer's return. At the time, the chronology was a bit mucky, and we didn't know that Fixer went evilish for a short stint, but it sounds from this that maybe Fixer was renimated by Gloomweaver, since the dark watch started looking into his death before the showdown with reanimated Spite and the finale against Gloomweaver. Fixer being brought back and brought to his senses may have been part of that story arc. 

just an alternate hypothesis to the Zhu Long one, if Zhu Long haas been confirmed through some means, just disregard this. 

I remember being told that Pike was not the one who brought him back, though worded to seem as if Fixer didn't die at all.

I think at least part of the confirmation was that Fixer didn't come back by using the Chairman's Lazarus Pit.

Do we have confirmation that the Chairman is even capable of resurrection rather than just providing longevity or suchlike? If he was seems a bit strange he wouldn’t just revive the Operative instead of her having to go off to Zhu Long.
Unless of course Zhu Long oversees the pits or something, but the dynamic described with the Operative then working for him separate to the Organization makes that seem unlikely.

It's never been officially confirmed, but there are far too many puzzle pieces that all point in that direction.

Take a look at the art for Dark Watch Fixer promo You can see Zhu Long in dragon form and an eastern background. Operative and DW Fixer both sport the same dragon tattoo, and I'm guessing this is a mark you get under his servitude. Speaking of servitude, we just found out Fixer was a bad guy for a while, fighting against the Dark Watch. Seems odd, unless it was because he was the servant of Zhu Long, just like the Operative. Take a look at Zhu Long in Barons V5 deck and read the flavor text. Not only is he still Fixers nemesis, but Long takes about life and death and how they don't really matter. Zhu Long, mechanically speaking, brings other nemesis targets back into play from the trash (bringing them back from the deck so to speak).

To your point, could it be Gloomweaver related? Sure, and its not a bad alt theory. But the Zhu Long theory has a ton of art and story to back it up, so thats where my money's at.

If Operative was slain in the fall of Rook City then she might not have a pit to revive in.

It seems like that battle is also where she loses the Chariman.  She bides her time, paying off her debt waiting for signs that her mentor is back, and when she pays of her debt, she still can't find him and tries to reform the Organization, fails and becomes a mercenary.

It would make sens for Zhu Long to come in and steal a prized asset like Operative right as the Organization is crushed.

I don't think your timeline is right.

 She would work her way back to her rightful place at the side of The Chairman, but first, she had to repay her life debt.

Also, the Operative in the artwork for the Organizations deck already sports the Dragon Tattoo, which I strongly believe to be a sign that you have been marked by Zhu Long's debt.

Foote, The Operative had the Dragon Tattoo from the begining, on her arm. Waaay before any indication that she was sent to Zhu Long. 

I do think the Dragon tatoo and Zhu Long are connected, but I'm not sure it's as simple as that. Not that I have any better direction to put it, however.

It could be a non-sequential series of events.  

Operative (incap) happens first (early in her career).

Then Vengenace-style operative (where she gets the tattoo)

The Opertive's standard artwork, where she has gone back to working for the chairman.

As Braith said, it could very well be a non linear thing.

VotM is supposed to fill in holes story wise. A lot of these plots are not really happening after the events of WotC, but are filler for a lot of time inbetween. 

HEY!

Its story time!

https://greaterthangames.com/content/exemplar-of-broken-city

As his chemically-enhanced body deteriorated, he supplanted his vitality with remnants of injections and stimulants from the now defunct Barzakh Wing of Pike Laboratories

Barzakh was the wing that did all the testing on Spite! My speculation skills are sharpening up over the years.

I hate to say it, but I'm finding it hard to be interested in Exemplar. He's just, I dunno, not gripping me.

I'd still like to know what exactly happened to Rook City that actually managed to make it into Broken City.  

His henchmen little more than children...

I get that Pike grew "clones" for lack of a better word, but what I'm struggling with is why.

The Chairman in Sentinels was a mastermind, but his "power" was almost entirely reliant on Talent. The organization sought out individuals of talent to form a near impregnable power base. The Deputy, The Fence, The Muscle, The Contract, The Informant, The Operative. Pike relied on intelligent people, people who could understand how the whole relied on the parts.

Now he's growing superpowered infants to work for him. Why?

My best guess is that he feels he was betrayed. That's why his madness is taking this shape. Perhaps the Operative left Pike to save herself, as did many of his people. If he feels lack of loyalty caused his downfall raising individuals directly and ruling with an iron fist might be his next tack. He didn't fail he was let down and now that can never happen again.

Megalomania. Pike could not accept that the destruction of his organization was his own fault, so clearly it had to be the failings of his lackeys. Thus, the only solution is to create henchmen that were up to his standards.

Check this passage out a little closer and I'll highlight what I think is relevant:

Exemplar holds himself to be the shining example of how man creates his own success. Hurdles and setbacks only exist to make the ultimate man even stronger. Graham Pike has left the trappings of the average person behind in exchange for perfection. Normal human morality and mortality are obsolete in the face of the works of a true visionary.

You should not let him grip you. You would be crushed.

So it sounds like Exemplar and his minions are going to the be the sole villains of Broken City. Could that mean instead of three seperate scenario books there is just one big scenario book? I'm really interested in figuring out who the 12 playable characters are going to be. We're haven't heard about any other villains besides the goon squad and the box art seems to support this.

So it sounds like Exemplar and his minions are going to the be the sole villains of Broken City. Could that mean instead of three seperate scenario books there is just one big scenario book? I'm really interested in figuring out who the 12 playable characters are going to be. We're haven't heard about any other villains besides the goon squad and the box art seems to support this.

Maaaaayyybeeeeeee?

What if he is the "true visionary" because he's been possessed by Vanessa's dark passenger?

We know that the Barzakh wing was experimenting on psychic enhancers. It's entirely possible that they supplied the drugs to Project Cocoon that created Visionary in the first place. 

Maybe the reason the girl with green energy is making an appearance is because young Vanessa is going to face an old, old enemy wearing a new skin...

Well he’s effectively a hobo with a chemistry set. We don’t really have any clue what his powers are and how he works, right?

Braith, my speculative powers are second only to yours. What a great idea. Bravo

Screw the Exampler news, why is no one talking about this more important posting.

> Speaking of crazy! Tomorrow (Wednesday, the 25th of February) I will be tweeting Sentinel Comics trivia questions every hour on the hour starting at 10 AM CST. If I get a correct answer to a trivia question within 10 minutes, I post a story update. I will be doing so ever hour, with the last question posting at 5 PM CST. That's EIGHT possible updates, all about the story of the Villains of the Multiverse expansion! You don't want to miss this - tomorrow is going to be an intense day!

It migth be enough for me to get a Twitter account!

Because Christopher made a separate post about it.

Yeah, a story update per question? That's a lot of updates! Geez!

So, I'm relatively new to all this, but I keep seeing people make a reference to something called Miststorm, and i'm very fuzzy as to what that is, or where people heard about it. The same thing with nightmist being trapped inbetween worlds and sealing Voss. Where is everyone getting this?

NightMist traps Voss on the card Mistbound.

Per correct answer, much different.

It is an environment hazard in Tactics. It is highly likely to be connected to Nightmist but it is uncertain the exact nature of the connection

Thank you all for clearing that up.

Inside 10 minutes of posting, that's different again!(not that I think we'll have any problems answering them in that time frame)

Well, on the villain side:

We have Exemplar 

We have Spite, in the various drug-fueled incarnations. 

I'm guessing that it is a singular character with 5 different "modes" according to which drug he is using.  1 mind, 5 bodies. Possibly even the original spirit of spite possessing the clones. could be 5 different characters, with different powers.  

I'm guessing that there will be at least 1 other villain, making it comparable to the core game.  We've seen Revenant (at least I strongly suspect it is) lurking at the end of the core game, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Revocorp making a bid for control.  Given the Spite connection, Gloomweaver or a more mystical villain (possibly the cult of Gloomweaver? Will the cursed Acolyte finally be the villain we all know he is?) is also a strong possibility.  Another possibility would be remnants from whatever horrific event happened to break the city (aliens, demons, etc, etc).  

So that is 3-4 playable characters. 

On the hero side:

We have Dark Watch, with all 4 members.  that brings us to 7 (or 8 depending on the villains).  

Wildcards:

We have green energy girl, who I supect might be The Dreamer.  She had a signifigantly different upbringing from the Visionary, so I wouldn't be surprised if her powerset was substantially different.  Maybe reality alteration?  Could be a hero, could be a villain, could be both depending on how in control of her nightmares she is!

We have Nightmist, who is suspiciously absent.  I wouldn't be surprised to see her make an appearance, possibly as a wildcard- sometimes a villain when her curse is in control, sometimes a hero.  

Has Plague Rat broken Revocorp control and gone back to lurking in the shadows of Rook City? I wouldn't be surprised!

We know that Zhu Long makes a return at some point (given that Fixer is fighting him in a comic that mentions the dragon's return)- we could see Zhu Long's ninjas, or the Dragon himself (itself?).  This seems like a longshot to me, but a possibility nonetheless.  

Thiago wants to be a hero, and we know that he lived in Rook City. If any place needed a hero, Broken City is it.  We have a self-made madman- maybe we'll see a self-made hero leading the orphans of Broken City in response.  

Time will tell!

New update! https://greaterthangames.com/content/first-reveal-citizens-hammer-anvil

I'm with you up until here. I still have all my eggs in the Thiago = new Ra basket.

New Update:

Since Dawn is after other Project Cocoon individuals, anyone think that maybe Visionary winds up as the Hammer/Anvil nemesis?

From the update it seems to be pointing that way.

Or Visionary's the mini expansion villain.

I hope she wouldn't be the mini expansion villain, also unlikely too I think, we've got more than enough variety from the various Vanessas already.
I'd put her as Hammer and Anvil's nemesis.

I think Dark Visionary and recently revived Mr Fixer are both candidates for the villain mini expansion.  

I'd prefer Fixer to Visionary myself.

Villain Mr. Fixer would be amazing in vengeance format, don't know if I like him as a stand alone villain, he's cool, but he's not that powerful.

Hasn't it been insinuated that even when Dark, The Visionary is still a hero, just far more brutal and careless than she ought to be? That's not to say that Vanessa herself isn't already pretty brutal with her few attack cards. Cerebral Hemorrhage? Wrest the Mind? She has a propensity for fiddling with others' brains in her free time.

It's wholly possible that I've missed some tidbit where Dark Visionary seperated or took another form or what have you, but I'd think it safe to say with The Visionary, Dark Visionary promo, and The Dreamer, we've concluded the playable Visionary(ies) in SOTM card game. Though she is my favourite, so the more the merrier.

I think if we see anything Visionary related it would be a promo for the Dreamer, which would be cool.

That would be cool. Just about anything would be cool. If there was a Visionary spin-off game, I'd likely be a fan. Hell, there could be a talk show where all they do is stare, laugh, and snore and I'd be first in my seat.

Did anyone else notice in the Exemplar update the use of the words 'setback' and 'visionary' in the same description for him? It made me giggle, even though it probably is nothing more than vocabulary.

Bugbear sounds awesome.

Nightmist is being pointed to as the nemesis.

Hmmm. . .

So what is that little red glowing stone Gloomweaver is holding in DW Nightmist's incap?

I always interpreted that as either Nightmist's soul, or Joe Diamond's soul.  He has it in his original artwork as well.

I'm just wondering if they are related, maybe he found a pyramid to Gloomweaver?

Woul be awesome if between attempts to come back Gloomy tries to eliminate Night Mist.

I think Skippy is on to something.

Braith, I am with you, thats exactly what I was thinking when DW Nightmist first came out.

But this passage:

Hopefully, someone with a knowledge of the magics which both preserve and fuel  Bugbear  can find some way to prevent such an outcome

My guess is that DW Nightmist has substantial knowledge of blood/ritual magic, given that Promo Gloomy is all about blood magic and being fueled (and preserved) by consuming life.  

I get the feeling his nemisis could be Ra.   "Becoming partly magical themself" may be a reference to Blake Washington Jr. being transformed into Ra after grabing the staff, much like Bugbear's powers are tied to the stone.  Plus, he was in an old pyramid when he changed, implying some connection to some Mesoamerican god or gods.

I do see where the Nightmist theory is coming from, though.  I could definitely see that working.  My only issue with the idea is that the bio says Bugbear and his nemisis understand mgic on a "primal level."  Nightmist had to study extensively to learn magic, which doesn't sound very primal to me.  Certainly not as much as have the knowledge and abilities beamed into your brain after touching a staff.

Also, py-RA-mid?  Cleverly hidden by Christopher, but not enough to slip past me.

You make some good points, but I feel like Ra's power isn't usually referred to as "magic" the same way Nightmist's power is.  I'm not saying it isn't magic, just that it's not referred to as such.

The third reveal is Miss Information!

It sounds like Miss Information is going to have multiple nemeses, and that several of her subvillains will also have multiple nemeses.  Interesting!

I hope everyone gets subvillains. I really like the Vengeance style games since you have to take on an entire army of villains. But I'm really curious if she gets a new nemesis.

Nighmist is part (mystical) mist, doesn't get more primal than part of your being being magic!

And confirmation that Aminia is not Aminia(prime), that's new.

All of the new things are coming fast and loose! I, for one, am pretty excited to see how an unbridled Miss Information will perform with Scarlet Witch style manipulations of the world around her. Though I will always wonder about her new wonder bra. Seriously, she's practically doubled her previous size!

Many pardons for my boob-focusing-eyes.

Well, it isn't like they are hard to miss.

Call it the perks of her powers

Well, when you can alter reality…

And yet her face is still scarred...

If she was able to change her body I think she would have healed herself.

Aw, I was hoping Miss Info would change her name. I really like the look of her new design though, with the mask and, um, other changes. Any idea on who will be joining her to fight the heroes? Bring on the next update!

Priorities, man!

Also, does anyone else see half an eye in the design of her dress? Or is it just me?

No, I see it too.  I want to say that it's unintentional, because I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would put half an eye on a dress, but I don't know.

Maybe there is another copy of her with the other half.  

Or maybe it curves around the side and back, so that when she is standing sideways the whole thing can be seen.  

You guys can consistently make me a happy bugger!

So Biomancer is creepy as F***!

Looks like we finally have a source for the "solomon grundy"-esque guy we have seen in Tachyons deck and Wraiths Tactics art here as well.

Biomancer is going to be incredible. I am loving his design and backstory. I hope he is the villain mini-expansion.

I know Biomancer is Scholars primary nemesis, but Unity does have a ton of thematic foils.

Also, and Braith can back me up here, Biomancer would make a ton of sense with Unity in regards to the Dreamer and the projections, specifically toothfairy. We talked about how Unity is quoted in Toothfairy and that Toothfairy is interesting to Unity because the art shows the fairy consuming biologic organic material. Idk.

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On another note, I thought the mechanical clones of heros/villains (as seen in Legacys Tactics art and Argent Adepts deck) was related to Biomancer for some reason. Since this is likely not the case...where are these robotic clones fitting into the story (if Biomancer already deals with organic clones)?

We've seen a villain with 6 nemeses; why not 2?

Totally possible!

It seems highly plausible to me that Baron Blade made his own Doombots.  

Is there a link to this Biomancer page of which you speak?

https://greaterthangames.com/content/fourth-reveal-biomancer