Completionist Guise Variant Unlock Discussion (early edition)

Ok, before anyone gets too excited, at the time of writing this variant is not actually available.

However, this Monday I saw a notification that I had to redownload my Season 1 content, and I was curious why, so I checked the heroes. The only one that indicated it needed to be redownloaded was Guise.

Rather than make a post simply pointing that out, however, I decided to go ahead and make the variant unlock discussion post for it, because!

My guess is, Handelabra sneakily updated the game with his unlock condition, but hasn’t enabled it yet. I also suspect that it will become available once we discover La Comodora’s and Lifeline’s unlock conditions.

I am also pretty sure the community has already discovered his unlock condition.

I’m pretty sure it’s: Unlock every other hero variant via their respective achievements.

If it’s not that, it may be that, …and play at least one full game with each of them.

… I guess we won’t know until it happens, but I wanted to put it out there anyway.

My guess is it won't be that simple. I think Christopher is going to throw us a curveball for the last unlock.

Maybe beat Oblivaeon with Guise active at the end of the game, after Santa Guise has been incapacitated.

Play one full gaming using every possible combination of decks in every possible order.

Yeah, I’ll get right on that.

Calling it now:

Use the base power on every character card, including variants, then play "I Can Do That Too!"

Win a game at the Celestial Tribunal with Guise and four other heroes. During the game, at least one variant of each hero in the game must enter play as the Representative of Earth.

Any traction on the "careful collector" component of Guise... win a game in which none of the non-Guise heroes gets damaged?

It'd be hilarious if it was tied to something completely unrelated to the past unlocks.

Something like:

Collect at least 20 Mint grade Weekly One-Shots

Ugh, that would be terrible! New players wouldn't be able to unlock him for 20 weeks!

At least.

I think there's too much thinking-inside-the-box here for Guise. I predict the unlock condition will be:

Win one game of Sentinels of the Multiverse the Video Game, one game of Bottom of the Ninth, one game of One Deck Dungeon, one game of Aeon's End Digital, and  one game of Spirit Island [whatever the non-tabletop-tagline will be]. Then, high-five your [insert device-appropriate name here], shake it like a maraca, enable microphone access, and yell 'Woo hoo!'.

I don't want to have to buy all those for my phone. D: I don't think it could run any of them.

Considering ODD isn't yet out for phones (soon!), Aeon's End for desktops is in beta, and Spirit Island has little if any progress made on it at all, no, I'm pretty sure your phone can't run them.

What if it’s just, “also own a hard copy of the card game,” and the way it checks is to ask and make you promise you’re telling the truth?

Maybe we’re overthinking it, and Completionist Guise is just given to anyone who has all the expansions?

Nope.

I mean, here's my guess, strictly on story challenge:

In a game against OblivAeon, the Scholar (any version) must deal himself damage that incapacitates him to flip Infusion of Power in Guise's (any version) play area, while both are in Dok'Thorath Capital.

When I can, I'll try it.

They did just release the Completionist Bundle, and while I doubt they would make us pay $70+ to get the variant, i wonder if this isn't a hint.

I suspect we may need to get all of the content available for our given platform, including foil packs. I doubt it includes soundtracks, as the mobile app doesn't offer a way of buying them directly, but it could be.

Then again, I would be surprised if no one had filled that condition so far, and I'm pretty sure no one has unlocked him yet.

The only thing I have left is the foil villain pack, so I can try after work. But I'm not buying the $70 bundle.

An alternative idea is that you need every other achievement. I only need one more (Infection) so if someone wants to help me test that, I'd appreciate it.

Also, since Redirection Misdirection is apparently really, really rare (even though it's easy if you're specifically trying for it) it may be keeping people from that.

According to my game (Android) only 0.7% of players have it, but I don't know if that includes all platforms or just Android.

Apparently getting a Mint on the Weekly one shot creates a registry log, but it looks like it doesn’t work if you haven’t got all other variants unlocked. Not clear yet whether it works if you unlock some with the button or not or whether you need other achievements as well (I also only need infection). And there’s at least one more step after that that hasn’t been solved yet…

Ugh, it's gonna be one of THOSE. Gotta get all the variants, I'm like 90% sure.

Then we probably need to get, maybe, 3 mints. Hopefully not in a row? But starting now.

https://puu.sh/DsAiB/e8a0f38441.png https://pastebin.com/DSS3MYNc So this is a partial log. I unlocked Completionist at the start of Guises turn. I've got no clue what I did in this game to actually get it, as it's such a short game and I've done a couple games with Santa Guise already where he puts a lot of cards face down (don't have a hard count on previous games at this point), though it might have to do with Guise being first in line this time, as I had him later in the queue in other attempts.

There was a registry entry that showed up, "CuriouslyStrong", which only appeared after I minted the Weekly One-Shot after Completionist was released to the wild. After trying to mint it on another computer/account that *doesn't* have all of the variants available, CuriouslyStrong didn't appear, so I'm guessing it requires you to have all of the variants first (unsure if through actual achievements or just using the unlock button, and it might be related to having all of the achievements instead of just the variants, or it might specifically just be hero variants...there are a few things to test on this).

There was also an entry that showed up after the unlock popped up, "YouFoolThisIsntEven". Might mean you can get them in either order, since they're separate entries that aren't numbered? Dunno.

I think "YouFoolThisIsntEven" doesn't refer to even and odd, but the first half of the phrase that ends "My final form."

Ah, I didn't mean the words themselves meaning you could get them in either order, just the fact that it's not a numbered entry, meaning you could get "YouFoolThisIsntEven" before "CuriouslyStrong". Could have been clearer on that.

I think it's a red herring. "You fool, this isn't even [related to my unlock condition.]" (Actually it probably is a DBZ reference, but I still think it might be unrelated) As evidenced by the fact that you triggered it AFTER unlocking him.

Also, that's clearly an Altoids reference. Small, White, and Curiously Strong is (was?) the tagline for Altoids Mints.

I think Guise got into the code and put a bunch of distractions in there.

Perhaps the solution is something i had come up with, but hadn't had a chance to test yet: have one copy of EACH CARD face-down (or just in play, including face-down) at the start of your turn. Whether that means "one of each of Guise's cards" or "one of each unique card from every single deck" is another issue entirely.

That couldn't be it, though. Guise only had 11 cards face down, and he has 16 unique cards in his deck. He also had Lemme See That in play, which could account for one more, but that'd still only be 12, not 16.

As for triggering it AFTER I unlocked him, I don't know whether that showed up first or if CompletionistGuiseCharacter etc. etc. showed up first. It very well could be that I triggered getting YouFool, and having both that and CuriouslyStrong triggered unlocking CompletionistGuise. That seems to be the more reasonable line of logic here.

Ok, ok. All of his ongoing cards is what i meant. Which would make sense, actually; he's "bulking up" but it isn't even his final form.

So, this is my hypothesis.

In no particular order:

A.) Earn Mint on a Weekly One-Shot.

B.) In a game with Guise, have all of his ongoing cards in play at the start of his turn.

I hope it’s not get a MINT.

i do t think it will be or should be.

Alas, nope.

So you do t need a mint? Thank god

Why is that so bad? A lot of them are super easy. It doesn't have to be THIS one, obviously.

Because you only have one chance per week.  Also, rules for variants state that the conditions must be able to be met through normal play – one shots are not normal play.

Have we tested if it has to be mint?  Perhaps that registry entry could unlock upon gaining a one-shot cover in any condition...

In addition, it limits the people to get it. Let’s say they are not there when the one-shot is easy? What if they miss it? What if the game crashed and prevents them from getting it? What if the One-shot is especially hard? Many people say it’s super easy, but I got near mint on the termination one with chokepoint. 

Skill is required to get some unlocks, but it shouldn’t be absed on a possible time limit.

If getting a mint one shot is required then this will be the first unlock I won't be achieving, and I kinda hate that.

One shots are a separate collectible thing I decided I didn't want, I'm not going to be forced into it now. I just don't have the time nor inclination to try to unlock something every week, and having one and none of the others will bug me immensely, especially as it is completely impossible to get the others now.

I'm waiting until the full unlock condition is announced and I really hope that getting a mint one shot is just one option if it is part of it and can be skipped for something else.

Very unlikely.  Altoids are sold with the tagline “Curiously Strong Mints”, so it makes no sense to gain CuriouslyStrong without a MINT.

The community has discovered the official unlock condition for Completionist Guise! Since Guise is very particular about the purity of his collection, the only way to get him for now is the real way. It's possible he may change his mind later, but he's pretty stubborn. I'm not stubborn! I'm principled. Also, I'm the best!

First, unlock all other variants via their story challenges. Then, in any order, earn a mint cover on a Weekly One-Shot, and activate the special form of Guise or Santa Guise.

Dammit.  Gotta wait until next week, as I failed this one.

Also: special form?

You might still be able to get a mint online for the one-shot, since Local and Online are separate and I’ve seen a lot of people not consider the Online half.

As for special forms - you need either form of Guise in the first position. Then, with Santa Guise, if you have two cards face down in each hero play area and have Lemme See That out at the start of his turn, he’ll end up in a full Santa outfit instead of just the hat. With base Guise, people are still trying to figure it out specifically, but it seems like having at least one of each card in your trash at the start of your turn after having played Best Card Ever. Not sure if that’s all there is to it, but we’re working on it.

Well, that's a bit of a bummer isn't it.

Can't say I'm happy with those choices really. Guess I'll just have to accept my collection will be incomplete, which kinda sours all the time put into the previous ones.

is "unlock all other variants via their story challenges" for what you have purchased, or for everything ever ? ie, is he available if you have Base + Mp3 and unlocked those variants ?

All other variants.

got it thanks!

So, sure enough, it was YouFoolThisIsntEven for the fact that you needed a special form, and CuriouslyStrong for a Mint.

Well, see you next week. (I'm not even going to try this one again.)

Weird. That is not working for me to get Santa Guise’s special form. Don’t see the santa suit, just the hat. Not sure what I am doing wrong.

So this won’t be available unless you do his unlock ever or will be available like the rest over time?

Eventually there will be an unlock button but when it’s uncertain. 

Well, this unlock will annoy a lot of people.

Hopefully next weeks unlock won’t be as hard

Wait, what unlock are we expecting next week?

They probably meant Next week’s One-Shot.

Because this week’s was brutal.

So we still have to figure out La Comodora to be able to do this.

I forgot to mention Guise needs to be in the first slot for it. My bad. Will edit original post.

Slight problem with this one: I’m on mobile, and I can’t remember if I got the unlocks for every character or not. I only got a Game Centre account after I started playing, so I can’t use those achievements to track it...

The achievements sync up with the variants. You can trigger a resync from the options menu.

Huh, I've got all other variants unlocked, and I got a mint in this week's One-shot when it went live. But I didn't get any unlock when I activated Santa Guise's special form (with the special sound effects and everything) last night. Do you have to do it on the same day as the Mint or something?

Possibly “when it went live” is your downfall. You need to earn a mint after Guise was available to unlock, which was the day after oneshot was released so possibly you were too early.

Ooh, yeah, that would explain it… that’s what you get for being eager, I suppose

Sync Variants & Achievements will never remove either of each. It will only add those necessary to make them match.

Okay cool - I’ll do that before I start working on Guise then!

This is frustrating. 

All variant achievements done. Got a Mint on this week’s One-Shot. Got the special form. Nothing. 

Checked the character select screen. I can’t even see a locked variant for Completionist Guise. Which I assume means I have to wait another week before I even have the chance to go for the unlock again. 

EDIT: Ugh, the update didn’t work properly. That’s why. Cool, guess I have to wait another week anyway. Fun!

REMOVED MY COMMENT.

Misread that the two peices can be done in any order

If you don't see a lock icon for the variant, you need to update your game.

I know. Said that in the edit. Somehow the update got interrupted.

I have all the promos, I updated my game a week or two ago, minted this week's one shot, then got Santa Guise's special form. No unlock yet. I do have the lock icon for the variant (though I did not double check until after my attempt). Any idea what might have gone wrong?

You might want to double check your achievements to make sure you have all of the variants via their story challenges, instead of with the cheat button. If you do have them all with the achievements, are you able to check your registry, by any chance? If so, you're looking for two entries - CuriouslyStrong and YouFoolThisIsntEven. If you're missing one or both, then you need to get the Mint and special form, for the respective entries. If you're not able to do so, you might want to retry both now that you've checked for the lock icon. You can get the Mint online and it will still count, so if you've not done that one yet, you still have a chance on this One-Shot.

If there's still an issue and none of those work, then I'm not sure.

I also have everything at this point (got all variants via story challenge, with the Steam achievements to confirm it, then got Santa Guise's form followed by an online mint, and the corresponding pair of registry keys to confirm those), and didn't get the unlock.

Oh, online mint. Start a game offline, or a game with Guise online.

Yep, that did it (just starting an offline game, with Guise involved).  Thanks!

so I'm going back through the varians I initially unlocked with the button in order to get completionist guise, and I ran in to trouble with mad bomber blade.  Can you not use the Haka trick to destroy blood sweat and tears with savage mana? Or is there more to the requirement than just beat blade, then destroy blood sweat and tears in one round? For some reason it didn't work for me with savage mana, and I'd like to know for sure before trying to do it without, which seems like a massive hassle.

Oh. Of course "all other variants" includes villain variants. I guess I'll go work on those guys. I do have fun with Skinwalker Gloomweaver and Heroic Infinitor 

I think the "Haka trick" as you put it won't work because, while they're under Savage Mana, they don't have any card text. So you're destroying three villain cards, but they're not Citizens Blood, Sweat and Tears.

The Haka trick did work at one point but I don’t think it was intended to.  

Interesting observation: When you get the Mint may not matter. I have unlocked all the variants, got Guise's special form, he unlocked as soon as I minted this week's weekly one shot. Maybe the condition is something along the lines of:

First, unlock all hero and villian variants. Then, you must win a game while Guise is in his special form, as well as obtain a Mint on any weekly one-shot (in either order).

The condition was already discovered and announced in this thread.

Huh. I must have missed it when I Iooked at the first page. My bad.

Is this ever coming the ... well, the cheap way?

I really don't want to have to unlock everyone via story mode (I did all the earlier characters on my ipad, then when I got the game on steam and my pixel REALLY didn't want to go through it all again, so have been "cheating").

Yes but unclear when 

Still can't unlock him.  I'm confident that I have all variants (hero and villians), unlocked through gameplay rather than the quick button.  I got a mint on this week's one-shot (using somebody's playthrough).  I'm confident that I did Santa Guise's hidden form sometime after the update (but before the mint), so I was expecting the unlock.  Nothing.  So I tried another game to get the hidden form.  Still no unlock.   Hmmmm....

I'm playing on an ipad.  Incidentally, the Achievements button does nothing for me.  And when I try to sync it through Options, it just freezes forever...

Yeah that’s a rough one to check if you can’t get to achievements to validate.  

Sounds like you're not signed in to Game Center. Check that in the Settings app.

Thank you! That did the trick. Now I’m wondering how I’ve been playing this long without being signed in. (Darn, I’m going to have to play more to reach all of those achievements…).

It looks like it thinks I don’t have the Eternal Haka achievement. That should be easy to do, but then I have to get Guise’s secret form again (easy), and then another mint…

I'm a lazy completionist (and, frankly, not good enough at the game to hit the unlock conditions for some) and have been just waiting for the characters to be unlockable, but when I try, Guise says something like "Think of the Children" and doesn't unlock. Should I just be more patient and wait or am I going to have to dust off some guides and try to get him the old-fashioned way? 

Just have some more patience on the screen.  

I thought I wasn’t good enough to hit some of the unlock conditions. But with help from some guides, I pulled them all off, most of them on the first attempt. And I learned a lot in the process, helping me become a better player (especially against some of the harder villains). It also gave me something to shoot for rather than just a random game setup. I think it’s well worth it!

I just had something funny happen. I had to get a new phone, and when I reinstalled all my stuff not all of the hero unlocks I had achieved ported over. So, okay, whatever, I just started pushing the "unlock" buttons a bunch of times. It was funny to hear Completionist Guise complaining at me over and over as I did!

Me, too, Guise. Unexpected warranty claims are no fun!

So I’m seeing on the Steam forum that all three versions of Completionist Guise are in the digital game.

I see one after the unlock, and one’s the foil... where’s the third one?

Enable Collector's Art but disable Foil affects.