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Pydro
2015-07-06 17:43 UTC
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Speculation: I expect it to have NightMist get the Rod of Anubis at the very least, although I doubt it will be that straightforward.
Of course, I won't know until August* as i'm waiting for Apple to approve things.
*=mild hyperboly
Villian: Spite
Environment: realm of discord
heros: nightmist, DW expatriot, gung-ho legacy
Triggered off a headless lash into an oblivion. Legacy was immune and expat was long dead. I think nightmist had the ongoing out that heals when she casts a spells and the amulet for discarding for health. Legacy had pretty much everything out.
i had only played around this character once before so I'm fuzzy on card names and was to dumb to take a screen shot, sorry.
I just tried this, but headless lash did not chain into oblivion, sadly. No unlock. I also did not have the healing ongoing or the amulet.
Was Spite flipped? I did it when Spite was still in serial killer mode.
He was flipped.
My my guess is that it is either the specific chain or the oblivion damage numbers...Since the unlock lets you stack the deck with her power. Guess I was lucky!
If getting the heedless lash to chain into oblivion is part of it in any way, Her card "Astral Premonition" (which is usually discard fodder) could help with that.
You might have been lucky. Did you win on that Lash? Or was it just damage?
I've tried Lash when flipped and again, no chain into oblivion. No unlock.
I tried just the Oblivion spell and no unlock.
Pretty much the same set up. Fight is still going though. I'll keep going. Thanks for the tip!
Do you mean the redirecting amulet (elder gods) or the healing necklace (starshield)?
The ongoing that heals is master of magic.
it was starshield.
the unlock was not the killing blow. I had a long slow grind until i eventually won.
Could it be using the Robin Sparkles numbers of 1, 2, 3 and 4 in a single round?
I triggered 1 2 3 & 4 in one turn and no unlock.
(realm of discord vs. apostate)
geneticdrift-
Just tried heedless lash into oblivion, did 18 points of damage to flipped spite, no unlock. So there is a piece missing for sure. Had all of Legacy's buffs and nearly all of Nightmist's. I should note that I won on that lash, but I'd be upset if you're not supposed to win with the lash because setting that up took forever!
I had beaten gloom weaver, ennead and spite before, so I don't know what might have been missing. Was there a distortion in play, maybe? Sometimes the environment cards matter
Maybe it is sparkle related? Maybe I am not remembering the numbers because it flipped double 4s...it seems to auto play doubles.
i lost twice to apastate before playing spite. I had beaten all of the villains upto this expansion but I have yet to beat any new villains
arg I wish I was paying attention better. I wasn't trying to unlock anyone.
Could be sparkle related. I'm pretty sure it played doubles here, but it might have been 3s. Honestly, I don't fully understand how I even hit for 18. Nightmist's is kind of a mystery to me on how she deals damage. Heh. I'll keep trying this combo, though it's brutally boring to set up. Ugh.
Maybe it's just that you have to flip doubles with Oblivion? If so, that will be tricky to set up.
could be. Lash has to reveal oblivion and oblivion has to reveal doubles. I'm pretty sure I showed doubles, since the "choose your damage" didn't pop, but sadly, I can't go back to check cause I won. Heh.
It's not flipping with doubles, I've done that, I've done that and the Unlock post on the Steam Forum had a 2 and 4 on the Oblivion
Doing it in the Realm of Discord is probably pretty important, given DW Nightmist's bio.
Someone else has done it now, using oblivion to get a pair of 4 sparkles. Expaitriot was on the team. Handelabra will probably update it on their site soon, i see that the dark visonary has been updated.
http://sentinelsdigital.com/forum.html
Maybe it's something like "put three cards with a spell icon of 4 in the trash one turn"
It's more than 4/4 oblivion in the Realm of Discord, maybe you need another dark watch on the team.
Also, weirdly did a 4/4 oblivion (technically a 6/6, thanks Legacy), and killed all of Apostate's relics, AND apostate... and despite killing the artifacts first, he flipped to infernal emissary side.
I've been playing one match for a while. I used Oblivion 3 times after Spite had flipped. Had Master of Magic, Amulet, and Necklace out for all three. First two times were 1 & 2 and 2 & 4. Third time was a Heedless Lash into an Oblivion for 2 2s. When that Oblivion was cast, Nightmist was under 10 health. No unlock.
Who was on your team Arcanist? Any dark watch members?
Also, Maybe we need more than one oblivion with a 4 in it to be played over the course of the game?
Expatriette, either dark watch, or normal seems to be a fairly stable constant, according to the unlock screenshots over on steam.
I unlocked it here: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=479259850
No Dark Watch. Nightmist, Legacy, and Dark Visionary.
EDIT: Tried it again, with the three Dark Watch. More or less the same setup. No luck.
Unlocked with a 4/4 oblivion on gloomweaver in the realm.
expatriette, argent adept, tempest and dark visionary on team.
master of magic was out for NM, but nothing else. No amulet.
My theory: expatriette must be on team with nightmist, master of magic must be out, and an oblivion must flip 4/4.
my other theory is the same as the above, but it must also be in the realm of discord.
Also, it was the first and only oblivion I played. So it isn't multiple oblivions.
Thanks pete. The first people who got the unlock reported having done it with a 4/non 4. So unless that was a bug, there's something we're missing. I might try another theory on a different computer to see if I can get it again: putting several 4's into the discard pile in a single round.
I had the perfect set-up for a 4/4 Oblivion and no unlock. Time Flies was out and AA played two Vernal Sonatas to let NightMist stack her deck. Expatriette was on the team (not Dark Watch). Maybe I have to kill GloomWeaver with the damage?
That's exactly the same thing I had...I think time flies was out, and I had regular Expatriette too... I had stacked with 2 vernal sonatas as well. I didn't finish off gloomweaver with the damage...and I think the villain doesn't matter anyway.
so there's something else going on...
Geneticdrift unlocked her while fighting Spite, so it seems unlikely (especially as Dark Visionary required that you fight Gloomy, and I think that they like to have some variation in the conditions). I incapped the last of the Ennead with a 3/4 Oblivion, without success, so I doubt that that's it either.
I also tried a 4/3 oblivion, on the off chance that it was the first number that had to be a 4, and we were just missing it without the double 4s. Although that wouldn't be reasonable play outside of double 4s, so maybe not. Either way, it didn't work.
Did you have master of magic in play?
Yes. Which actually made it difficult to test my other suspicion, that she has to be injured. Nightmist is a ridiculous tank.
I notice that you (Natediggadoggity) have NightMist at full HP, could it be something like playing an Oblivion and still having full HP at the end of the turn?
EDIT: I also see that Steam user Cheesypie had NightMist at full HP
Poring over several of the other recent screenshots on steam, There's been a couple nightmists at 17, one at 13, and another at 20 hp, so that's not it.
Just thought I'd log a failed attempt. My theory based on what we've heard was that it might be some combination of:
Dark Watch Expatriette on the team
Realm of Discord
Master of Magic
Using Oblivion to "clear the board" and win
Managed to do all that. No dice.
And it's not just a 4/4 Oblivion in Realm of Discord with Expatriette on the team, either. Vs Akash'Bhuta, started out with Master of Magic, Amulet of the Elder Gods, and Elder Ring in play. (Ended with none of those in play. Kiiiiiind of forgot there was an Imbued Vitality on the field. Whoops!)
Other teammates were Legacy, Argent Adept, and Tempest.
Spite and Gloomweaver ARE kind of Dark Watch nemeses, maybe it just has to be one of them?
Throwing this out:
Realm of discord
Expatriette on team.
Use an Oblivion that deals at least 25 total damage.
or some x number of damage.
Is it possible that the spell value of the Oblivion played matters?
I did a 4 oblivion into a 4-4 to kill Gloomy w MOM out on the Realm with Expat. Nada.
I think choice of villain, spell power on Oblivion, and how Oblivion enters play have all been effectively ruled out as factors. In theory, it's possible, but it would have to be some really convoluted scenario to allow for that. At this point, I think probably either Expatriette and Legacy both have to be on the team, or it has something to do with the damage output.
I didn't have legacy on my team when I unlocked, but I'm pretty sure all unlocks have had Expatriette.
I think all unlocks have:
been in in the realm of discord
had Expatriette on the team
unlocked after Oblivion has been played and resolved
now these conditions alone don't seem to always unlock, so there's something else missing--perhaps with how or what kind of oblivion has been played. Or maybe it is something else.
I like the idea that it may be dependent on the amount of damage Oblivion deals overall. Darkwatch Nightmist is supposed to be more powerful than normal Nightmist. It also may be she has to kill a bunch of targets with it.
I unlocked her, but I have no idea how. Here's everything that was going down.
GloomWeaver vs. Legacy, Dark Watch Expatriette, Argent Adept, and NightMist in the Realm of Discord
At the beginning of NightMist's turn, the following cards were in play:
GloomWeaver: Grimoire of Curses, Bag of Bones, 2x Chosen Disciple, Cursed Acolyte, some number of Zombies
Legacy: Incapacitated
Dark Watch Expatriette: Assault Rifle, Submachine Gun, Pride, Prejudice, Hairtrigger Reflexes
Argent Adept: Inspiring Supertonic, Rhapsody of Vigor, Akbunkh's Drum, Musaraghi's Harp, Eydisar's Horn, Sarabande of Destruction, Alacritous Subdominant, Counterpoint Bulwark
NightMist: Amulet of the Elder Gods, Master of Magic, Tome of Elder Magic, Crimson Pin
I played Oblivion with a magic value of 1 and flipped two 4s: Astral Premonition and Mists of Time. I killed a ton of targets, I redirected the first instance of Oblivion damage dealt to NightMist with the Amulet.
My theories are that either a) It's just the amount of damage that is done in the turn or the amount of targets killed, not necessarily 2x 4s. The 4s might just help by increasing the damage.
b) I haven't seen anyone else mention it in their unlock so I'm probably wrong, but might it be that you have to redirect the damage with the Amulet? Edit: In fact, looking at the screenshot above and seeing that NightMist is at full health, I'd like to officially make this one my recommendation. Someone else try it out and if it's true, I hope it's enough to get in the Hall of Fame :)
Just to be more clear: Try playing Oblivion regardless of the magic value and then use the Amulet of the Elder Gods to redirect the damage that would be dealt to NightMist.
Well, there was one guy on the Steam forums that mentioned his first Oblivion didn't get him the unlock, but the second did. Is it possible that it's Expat on team, Realm of Discord, and just Nightmist deals at least X damage total? Since Oblivion deals so much damage, it's likely to be the trigger, but maybe she just needs to deal a ton of damage and/or a ton of damage to RoD targets?
Got it on a second try. I think how much damage is relevant since it was boosted.
Just noting another fail here. Nightmist, Expat, AA, Greatest Legacy, and Tempest. Fighting Gloomy in Discord. Imbued Frailty was the only environment card out.
Played Oblivion (4) with a 4/4 combo. No unlock.
A couple things might matter. I used Reclaim from the Deep to put one of those 4's on top of her deck. Don't know if that "invalidates" it or something. Probably not though.
There were 2 Profane Zealots out. The first Oblivion sweep killed one, the second killed the other. If total damage matters, this brought my total down some, but I didn't get the exact numbers. There was also Gloomy's Drum out, so then it would've been something like 19 to villian targets, then 20 to heroes (Legs was immune to infernal), then another 14 to the villians again, 2 targets killed. That's a total of 53 damage, which makes me think min damage might not be the key. Oh yeah, and then the zombies. Screw it, I'm not mathing anymore. That's already a huge number in this game.
But if total damage is what triggers it, that could explain why a lot of early reports included Heedless Lash leading into the 4/4 Oblivion, for that extra kick. The minimum would have to be well over 60 in that case, possibly even over 70, which sounds absurd in this context. I know unlocks are supposed to be a challenge, but <insert expletive here>.
I've attached a screenshot of the board right before I tested Oblivion. I pulled 1/3, but Imbued Frailty and Legacy's boost meant that I was dealing plenty of damage. No luck. I think we can safely say that it's not a "number of targets killed" or "amount of damage dealt" requirement.
I reverted, and am now going to try and fetch a 4/x oblivion, and try wiping the field.
EDIT: Tried that with a 2/4, wiped out every non-character target (and Mr. Fixer), but still didn't work.
Question; does it have to be DW Expat, or just regular Expat? I think I'm going to scrap my current game with regular Expat and start over with the DW version to see if it makes a diff.
Mine was regular.
Just got it, using AA to put 4/4 on top of her deck, and then setting it off with Inventive Preparation. Realm of Discord, Apostate, DW Expat, DW Fixer, Fanatic, Nightmist, and AA. No environment cards out. Did not completely wipe the field. Amulet and Master of Magic both out.
To be clear, I meant amount of damage dealt total, like across the whole match, not just with a single Oblivion. When you finally got it, did you have any damage boosts and/or had Nightmist been particulary "active" that game?
Yeah, after reading through again I see people have done it either way.
I swear if someone doesn't figure this out soon, I'm going to screenshot the beginning of every one of NM's turns.
No and no.
What if Expat needs a specific card out? Like hair trigger reflexes?
Maybe it had something to do with total spell cards played in realm of discord
Has anybody tried Realm + DW Expat + Master of Magic + 4/4 Oblivion and had it not work?
I'm pretty sure by now that those conditions fulfill the trigger condition. Exactly how much of that is necessary remains to be seen. My guess is that Oblivion needs to play two 4s, but you don't need to get both 4s on the same Oblivion. And Expat probably doesn't need to be DW.
My expat was regular.
I tried that exact combo and got a 4 4 but I still haven’t unlocked it. Does it have to be the killing blow?
No. It wasn't for me.
My expat was incapacitated when I unlocked her.
My Expat was regular and was not incapacitated.
Has anyone tried what I suggested earlier just to rule it out? My suggestion was to play Oblivion but use the Amulet of the Elder Gods to redirect the damage from NightMist. It's what I did when I unlocked the promo earlier, but I'm not sure if it was related or coincidental.
Geneticdrift got it without having the amulet in play at all, let alone redirecting with it.
I just unlocked her while trying to get Dark Visionary...it was pretty random. Not really sure what I did specifically
Playing Realm of Discord vs Gloomweaver
Grampa Legacy, Expa (regular), Dark Mist, Wraith (variant) and Visionary
Had out that card that heals Mist when she uses a spell...activated Oblivion damaged Gloomweaver, his relic Grimoire of Curses and Ethereal Bonds from the Environment deck, by revealing Call Forth as the cost for Oblivion.
Yes. Managed to pull it off twice in one game. The second time I even made sure the Oblivion itself was also a 4, AND it was the killing blow. No unlock.
Abuscade, Realm, Dark Visionary, Argent, Nightmist, Expat (regular), Wraith (Rook City)
Just Master of Magics / Oblivion 4 + 4 did not work unless I missed something. That time I damaged Nightmist, then Expat.
Unlocked iwth Oblivion 4 + 4 w/ all four relics and master of magics in play, and an extra +1 to damage from imbued frailty in play. Damaged Villain, Expat, then Nightmist. Did not redirect damage to Nightmist. Unlock after the rest of the damages finished. No non-hero targets beyond Ambuscade, no decoy for Dark Visionary.
Just happy to have her...sorry that this probably does not help narrow it down.
Therapy afterwards for a long failed fight vs. Apostate trying to unlock (with Mr. Fix, which I think is busted) and this long fight against Ambuscade: Expatriette, up next, triggers Unload, followed by Prejudice, Pride, Prejudice, tactical shotgun. Sadly, no need to continue with assault rifle, submachine gun.
After many, many tries, I finally unlocked her.
... don't know how much help I'll help though... My team was Argent Adept, Dark Visionary, Legacy, Expatriate (regular), and, of course, NightMist.
... We were fighting Baron Blade(regular) in the Realm of Discord. I played an Oblivion (I believe it was a 3 power) ... For a 4/4 combo. I don't think any other villain targets were in play, but there may have been an environment target. Lots of damage increases in play ... galvanize, inspiring presence, her ring. I did also have her Master of Magic in play, but sounds like that's been ruled out? I also had two more of her relics in play. I didn't redirect any of the damage, but I think Expat had her flak jacket to shrug it off.
She may have done more total damage to her fellow heroes than villain targets, but I have no idea if that would be a factor.
She'd done a 4/3 Oblivion earlier in the same round I believe, thanks to Argent Adept.
That was the case with mine, too–but it looks like perhaps others have unlocked with many non-hero targets?
Just thinking outside the box: what if the unlock is just having all of the cards with a magic value of 4 in your trash? The 4/4 Oblivion could be creating a false correlation with damage when it's really just putting the last two 4s in one's trash.
Also, for what it's worth, I had been in Mist Form at some point prior to the unlock in my game. From the promo bio: "NightMist used her cursed mistform to reach beyond her native plane and harvest that energy." Maybe the unlock is being in Mist Form earlier then "harvesting the energy" to do Oblivion at the maximum power level.
Is it:
Realm of Discord
Master of Magic
Oblivion Flipping 4/4
Expat on team AND Expat needs Pride and Prejudice out
?
Or:
Realm
Master
4/4 Oblivion
Expat on team and needs Hairtrigger reflexes out
?
One more, then I'll stop shooting in the dark (though all of these were true when I did my unlock):
Realm of Discord
Mastor of Magic
4/4 Oblivion
Expat on team
Nightmist must be at 10 hp or above.
Ignore the previous three ideas.
Someone unlocked while Expat was incapped, and I saw an unlock screenshot with NM at 8hp.
I don't think so, but maybe. I just tried that card that switches your trash and your deck early in the game, mostly just for kicks. I'm pretty sure I didn't have any 4's in hand when I had to shuffle again. Might be worth trying though, just to be sure.
HOw many cards have people had in Nightmists’s hand when they did the unlock? Drawing cards = harvesting energy?
Is the additional thing that Mist-Fueled Recovery needs to have been played prior to the Oblivion?
Another shot in the dark, sorry.
Or that the damage from Oblivion needs to be boosted somehow?
Okay. I'm done.
Possibly. I played Mist-Fueled Recovery in between my failed 4/4 Oblivion and my successful 4/4 Oblivion (same game).
My unlock of DW Nightmist
1) Unlock happened just after I played a Oblivion and drew a 4/4 combo
2) Playing against basic Gloomweaver in the Realm of Discord
3) Team comprised of Grandpa Legacy, Nightmist, Visionary, & Expat (in that order)
4) Env had one card in play: Time Flies
5) Gloomy had 2 relics in play (Book & Drum, both damaged by but survived the Oblivion)
6) Nightmist had Master of Magic & one relic out (her Tome)
7) All four heroes were damaged, but none were less than 10 hp.
My friend unlocked it with Expat on the team, Master of Magic in play, and a 4/not 4 Oblivion. He said it was in the Realm of Discord but the villain didn't matter.
That would make sense in terms of the quote from the bio I used above (I had suggested Mist Form, but Mist-Fueled Recovery makes sense too. And I'm pretty sure I did a huge one the turn before my unlock.
It's not just pure damage. I just ran Legacy, Visionary, Nightmist, AA, and Expatriate in the Realm against Voss and had Nightmist do the lion's share of the work, she put down almost every bit of damage over a very long game. Never got a 4/4 Oblivion, had all the relics in play and Master of Magic. It must be either twinkle related, or discard/trash related... MHO anyway.
Got it. Not 100% sure on what triggered it exactly, but it sounds like what a lot of other people are reporting. Here we go-
Argent Adept, Tempest, Greatest Legacy, Nightmist, DW Expat, in that order.
Realm of Discord (pretty sure that's a must), Time Flies, Portal Fiend.
Gloomweaver, 2 Chosen Disciples, 2 Cursed Acolytes, 1 Profane Zealot, the book and the drum, and the Indigo Pin, on NM.
NM had Master of Magic and her book out. Might be worth noting that her deck was empty, 17 cards in the trash, the rest in hand.
Played Oblivion (3) to a 4/4 combo. Told it to choose the damage order for me since there were so many targets.
I heard the theory about Mistfueled Recovery earlier, which I normally don't use (Tempest and Legs keep my health high enough I don't usually need it). So I made sure to cast that a few times. One round while Time Flies was out, I even used the Recovery followed immediately by Oblivion and that didn't work.
It might have been due to hitting a LOT of targets, or possibly from an insanely high damage total (I'm not even going to try to calculate all that). I do know that in all my failures, I didn't use Mistfueled Recovery, so I'm leaning toward that theory. Also, since the description in her bio mentions fighting off a large group of enemies before returning to Earth, that may also be part of it. If the story has something to do with it, I did kill the Portal Fiend, which kinda matches.
My theory; use Mistbound Recovery at least once, cast Oblivion (maybe against a lot of targets), and kill a Portal Fiend. Has anybody else noticed if environment targets are a common theme? Not necessarily at the end, just at all. Edit: oh yeah, and Expat. duh.
I just got the unlock after browsing through the Steam discussions a little bit. They come up with 4 that we know to be true. (and was confirmed)
1 Realm of Discord
2 ExPat in the party
3 Master of Magic in play
4 Oblivion reveals 2 spellpower 4 cards
I also had Mist Form, Mist-Fueled Recovery, and Mistbound played all before I played my Oblivion. Perhaps one of those (or some/all) are the final requirement.
In my unlock, I played both Mistbound and Mist-Fueled Recovery prior to unlock, but had not played Mistform.
I don't recall exactly, but I don't think I got any environment targets before getting it. There was definately no environment cards out when Oblivion went off, but I think I had only distortions before that, too.
Just tried this, and it worked for me. Hadn't played Mist-fueled Recovery earlier, but it was one of the 4s I discarded for Oblivion. Also had +3 total to all damage between Legacy and the Elder Ring.
Maybe it's just "And there's a distortion in play"? I had Positive Energy Field out there. And she is supposed to tapping the weird power of the Realm of Discord.
Why do we think that Expat is a nessesary part of this unlock? Any guesses? Im kinda stumped.
Setback isn't available yet.
I thinkk someone somewhere (hard to follow all the threads) suggested that Expatriette decided to "recruit" NightMist to the Dark Watch after seeing her power fluctuations in the Realm of Discord.
Expat is the Leader of Dark Watch, might that have something to do with it?
We got it! Go team! Now, on to Fanatic! Has anybody gotten her at all yet?
sigh Just like Dark Visionary, I've fulfilled the conditions, but no unlock. What's wrong with my version? I'll try to get screenshots of this one too. sigh
I'm not sure what platform you are on Broccoli but I would highly consider reinstalling the game. If you don't want to do that then to wait on trying unlocks until the next update is released on the platform you are using.
Android
Pics sent from another attempt that satisfied the conditions without an unlock.
I'm not opposed to re-installing, but the computer scientist in me hopes I'll be able to help find the bug causing this, so I don't want to "change conditions" before that. I HAD stopped trying to get variants, but when I saw that the Nightmist unlock was "confirmed", I wanted to be able to demonstrate that more than one unlock was bugged for me.
broccoli, if you are sending a lot of screenshots please be sure to scale them down and/or compress them. I think some of your messages are being lost because the attachments are too big (over 10 MB).
Yup, I discovered that. I just attached a dropbox link to the task. If that doesn't work, I can scale down, but I wanted to provide as much detail as possible.
I was able to get the unlock by using Visionary, AA, Tempest, NM, and Expatriate. We fought Omnitron for an easy to control villian. Vis helps get Master of Magic out. AA uses Vernal Sonata and Tempest Reclaim From the Deep to stack NM's deck when the time is right. Easiest way I could see doing it.
Only problem with using Omnitron is the possibility of having Master of Magic "Sedative Flechette"-ed away. I've been using Ambuscade because, no matter how much damage he does or doesn't have, he doesn't ever destroy equipment or ongoings. Gloomweaver is good for the same reason (technically one of his relics and one of his pins can destroy cards, but it's voluntary-ish).
So, I think I just unlocked Nightmist with a bug. She only had one card left in her deck (a 4 spellpower card) and I still got the unlock (Expat on team, realm of discord, all other conditions met). It may be mistakenly recognizing that only 4 spellpower cards were revealed?
Yes, there's a bug where it can unlock when it reveals a single 4. Will be fixed in an update.