Guesses at the 6 Cards

After reading the transcript of yesterday's Q&A it sounds like the last stretch goal is 6 cards.  I've got my guess as to what they are and have seen a few others guess as well in a other threads.  Thought it might be fun to have a single thread for everyone to channel thier inner Vanessa Long.

My guess (psychic vision): the 6 cards are promo hero character cards for Ra, NightMIst, Mr. Fixer, Expatriette, Setback, and KNYFE.

103K left until we find out!

Why those six?  No love for the Naturalst, the Scholar, or Chrono-Ranger?

I think it will go back to the beginning and be variants for the Freedom Five (plus Unity).

Alternatively, 

Lots of love for all 3 of those heroes plus Sky-Scraper, Omnitron-X, the Southwest Sentinels and Parse (my favorite hero.)  I picked these 6 because:

1. Ra is the only hero from the base game with only 1 promo, he is central to the OblivAeon story and Christopher answered to a question in the Q&A about Ra promo in the Q&A with " Perhaps. If you're good."

2. The Dark Watch Heroes because giving each of them a promo would mean each hero from Infernal Relics or earlier would have 2. Setback's only current promo was released before his deck and I'm guessing Christopher might want to make a new one now that he has the deck to go with. Plus Setback's mechanic is so unique and awesome if I were a game designer I'd want to find a fun way to change his game up (same holds true for NightMist and Mr. Fixer).

3. That leaves KNYFE which is basicly a shot in the dark. My reasoning was she's the hero whose goal was the most closely tied to stopping OblivAeon (other than Lifeline but he's 1. new and 2. already getting a promo with this expansion.

4. The heroes you listed all got promo's with Villains. Chrono's sparked lots of debate and its pretty hard to come up with another idea for what a Nataralist power could be be thats not similar to his existing 2.

Of course, I would never have guessed additional Prime Wardens promos or a Heroic Akash'bhuta so psychic powers aside I don't really put too much stock in my own insites into the mad genius that is Christopher.

edit: Also I would love those "Be The Gate" Heroes but there are 7 of them which makes them seem less likely to me.

Scholar seems unlikely based on Scholar of the Infinite incap side unless he figured someway to rematerialize.  Game wise I'm not sure how a new promo for the Naturalist would work.  Story wise I'm sure something could be figured out.  A Chrono-Ranger would have to be right before he renamed himself Renegade since his only promo looks like it would leave him in the condition we've seen for Renegade art.  Otherwise it would have to be CR from an alternate universe.

Thinking of that my guess for the promos would be some alternate universe versions of the heroes if they are promo heroes.

Eight, if you count ColdWaЯ.

Those are sound reasons.  I guess I get more caught up in total number of promos than the timing of their release.

(EDIT: It's only tangential to the thread, but I don't really think it deserves one of its own, so I am putting this here - my friends and I have been calling that batch of alternate heroes "The Gatewatch," as a silly Magic the Gathering reference, and named them individually as Akash'RoseBush, Redeemer Apostate, The Masked Mink, Spatial Scout, Breakthrough, Sky-Fire, and Cosmic Compiler.  Those last three in particular I felt the need to share.)

Heres my guess:

Ra, Nightmist, KNYFE, Setback, Expat, Fixer,

I don't have a strong opinion beyond this: I'd love to see another KNYFE promo.

I love all of these!

This is what my guess is (read: what I'm hoping). Especially since Legacy- who is practically the poster boy for the series- still doesn't have any promos that are actually Paul Parsons. Yes, some characters suchas Bunker and Argent Adept have had alternates that represented other characters, but they each have at least one that's still them. Legacy is the only one that doesn't have an alternate to show how he's learned, grown, or adapated to situations as a character. And the Freedom Five are the only major team that doesn't have a set of cards specifically dedicated to them as a team.

Maybe Iron Legacy as a reformed hero.

Alternate Villain cards for the Scions we have already seen.

Post anger management class Iron Legacy? I'd be down for that…

An additional six cards for OblivAeon, either

a) giving alternate setups for the game, or

b) creating a 16-stage final boss battle…the real Sentinels starts here?

(I'm still in the camp of the Freedom-V variants plus Freedom-VI Unity, but I'm not holding my breath on it)

What kind of HP & Power would you give Iron Legacy reformed?

I'd give him:

34hp

Iron Justice

Power:  Deal up to 3 targets 1 melee damage each.

Because with that deck it would get really good.  I know it is one more than F6 Wraith has, but Legacy base powers are those kind of powers.

My guesses (and secret fantasies):

1. Variant card for Ra: Leader of the Pantheon.

2. Special card for Ennead, to be placed alongside Ra when his variant form is used. Essentially an extra hero target providing more powers for Ra’s player turn.

3. Alternate card for Anubis, to substitute his card in the Tomb when the environment is played in Oblivaeon mode.

4. New instrument for Xtreme Argent Adept to replace his pipes: Drake’s Electric Six-string.

5&6. ColdWar + special setup card, standalone hero created by mixing specific cards from Bunker and AZ’s deck.

It's 6 new heroes yall, boom bam. 

Alright so outside of crazy person dreams I think expanding base set characters more seems logical for the end but we already have Visonary, Tempest, Haka, 

and Fantatic with brand new promos (Tempest and Fantatic in the xtream primewardens).  Zero, Bunker, Ra, Legecy, Wraith, Tachycon, and I guess Unity 

Glad to hear it!

Even Iron Legacy has 32 HP - why change it upon going Good?

I do like the power - an area damage Legacy could get pretty nasty.

This is the best thing I've ever heard.

Really, ending the line with new promos of the Freedom Five (plus either Ra or Unity, depending) does seem the most likely.  But where's the fun in likely guesses?

I REALLY can’t see the Xtreme AA playing pipes.

But can you see him playing Freebird?

Jethro Tull uses the flute, so there is some precedent.

I'm hoping for the Be The Gate characters

Which six?

I suppose if I had to pick from that set, I'd drop Skyfire (who seems to have a totally different power set than our Portja) and Akash (since she's just coming out).  The others could be tricky, but are probably solvable.

Would Christopher really put out an alt version of a character he'd just killed off? Ra's dead, man. Unless the alt's power is "lie there being dead", I don't see it. 

Rocking those shades, yeah.

Well, it would be an varient representing just before he got dead.  His incap side would be him being dead.

I think it will be Bunker, Bunker, Bunker, Bunker, Bunker, and Bunker.

No…He'd play BADPIPES!!!

I would love it if we got more Mirror universe stuff for the 6 cards that universe just seems like fun.  

Clearly the six cards will be 6 Oversized Scion cards for the Freedom Six after they have been enslaved by OblivAeon. ;P

I think a Captain Cosmic for every Lantern Corps.. *cough* err, color of the spectrum (minus green and yellow we already have) and then a promo for... Hmm, who else has a crapton of promos.... AZ? Bunker?

The current totals are

3: Bunker, Prime Wardens

2: Other Freedom 5 heroes, Unity, Visionary, Guise

1: Everyone else

Depending on how you look at it, we might have reached 3 promos for each of the Sentinels, too, but that's a little more debatable, since there are multiple decks involved.

But, yeah, those numbers are the shape of it.

The way I see it, each of the Sentinels has 43 promos. =P

You can also count Legacy, if you include Cleverest.

Unless it's Ra in those last few seconds before he dies.

So I'll say Ra, CR, KNYFE, Nightmist (Power: Allow any other Player to switch their Hero to a different Promo Card for their Hero), Scholar (a promo called Back from Beyond), and Guise (name of power Best Power Everer, no idea what it would be though)

Ra’s final words:

“Stupid rule #15…”

Ra's promo power should be

Power: Last Words

Forget rule #15 and deal all the damage

You could achieve that result (and more) with a power that said:

Last Words.

Power:  Choose one of your non-character cards.  Until the End of your next turn that card is indestructible.

I think that power will be used for Completionist Guise or at least that's my guess for his power. 

if you change “end” to “start” you can remove “non-character.” Kind of gives the feel of Ra at -4970 hp sticking around until the start of his turn to tell Fanatic he always believed in her.

Yes, but then it doesn't stop Rule 15 stuff from annoying Ra.

Unless I’m missing something, Ra deals himself damage at the end of his turn with solar flare. Using this during your power phase would still be able to prevent its destruction.

End of your next turn.

Right, either way Solar Flare would remain in play during the current turn and be destroyed at the end of the next. Regardless of which wording you choose its a pretty cool power, I’ll have to give it a try at some point.

Six oversized variant cards for Wager Master.

I think be the gate is still a good option for promos. While there's eight characters on that cover, two aren't hero decks right? So we'd have lady Chrono, akash, nightmist, guy fanatic (prob apostate), sky scraper and setback. Though an alternate freedom six is also likely except for bunker so maybe slipping in someone else. 

The other two look to be Parse/Captain Cosmic (which are both hero decks) and Ermine/Wraith.

My guess for the "Be The Gate" characters is that they'll be part of the mission deck included in OblivAeon.

Well, maybe the 6 cards ARE added to the Mission Deck...

My guess is the Freedom Five and Ra. All in their Tactics incarnations to represent a transition between the two games. It might just be wishful thinking on my part because I really want FF team promos like the Dark Watch and Prime Wardens ones we got. 

But don't their base character cards already depict them in the Freedom Five?

My guess is six cards like the mission card we saw being drawn "Infinity Cannon", possible a variant on that or just a card all of it's own to represent the reward.

OK, I'm going to take a different approach here; I think the 6 will be "What If" style promos, letting you play particular decks as other heroes.

A Ra promo which is Helena, whose visions came from the Egyptian Pantheon and led her to the fabled staff, alongside a Fanatic promo of Blake Washington, who came across the sword Absolution while excavating some European ruins. A Tachyon promo of Pauline Parsons', America's Fastest Legacy, who's added super-speed to her family line's powers... Finally, we can play as two generations of Parsons without needing a new deck. (Or maybe three; perhaps this Chrono Ranger is Jo Parsons, a quiet gunslinger who has developed a supernatural sense of impending danger, giving him the edge as he is sucked through time).

Etc etc, I dare say some of you can come up with some much smarter crossovers!

How about some lost in the past promos.

Probably five reference cards ("Start, Play, Power, Draw, End") and one extra copy of Retcon.

Even though their base cards already depict them as Freedom Five members, I'd still like for them to get a special set that specifically denote them as members, with their team name at the top of the card like the Prime Wardens and Dark Watch have. Given that they're the flagship team, I think it'd be fitting that the final tier of the kickstarter feature them.

And of course, the sixth card be Freedom Five Intern Unity.

I think they will be alternate universe cards where Christopher draws the art instead of Adam. 

https://twitter.com/arenson9/status/700753189562404864

We could be looking at this all wrong. Perhaps we should consider “Six_cards” to be some sort of enigma. 6 is basically a reversed 9…

while that could be the case I highly doubt it. It's more than likely just six cards. 

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Justcigar = 9 letters.

It will be a 6-card version of the revised complexity/difficulty chart.  The back will feature a drawing of Adam, Christopher, and Paul sticking their tongues out at us.

if one of the cards is a Ra promo could it be the (Ra?) one on iorn justice? Im not 100% sure that its even Ra but if it is then it doesnt look like any of the already existing Ra cards ,of course I could be wrong.

Did he type "six cards" or "six_cards" ? I'm sure we'll find out this weekend when we hit $1 million, but could that blank be something they are willing to fill in? Like sixteen or sixty? Or could they be six BLANK cards where you fill in your own thing?

Now that I type these ideas, they seem pretty dumb but I am still going to hit the post button.

Quoting the chat from livestream on Friday

Eulerpi: @Gtgchristopher want to share a little tease of what the final stretch goal is?
GTGChristopher: @Eulerpi Cards.

Eulerpi: @Gtgchristopher Well - technically that is a little useful. Maybe a shred of a hint more?
GTGChristopher: @Eulerpi Six cards.

Not to burst anyone’s bubble, but this doesn’t feel like a case where Christopher is being misleading. Six cards seems like the number.

Yeah. I agree. 

Less than 40k away. We will know soon enough.

Assuming Christopher remembered to leave the 1 million post with the gang back at GtG HQ.     Otherwise we'll be waiting for a few days after the big moment.

Pretty sure he said he pre-wrote the update so we wouldn't be left hanging.

we don't know for sure that it includes the million dollar update. But it might. 

I know. Just feeling a little snarky today. (Sorry)

He specifically said he was writing the million dollar update on Friday.

I hope each card is attached to a plushie.

All of Unity's F5 bots (life-sized, of course) along with Mr. Chomps!

My friend and I have been tossing around joke ideas for cards for the million dollar stretch goal, and one set he proposed was variants of the Freedom Five that are Unity’s bots.

…I had no idea how much I wanted that before he suggested it.

Actually new dark watch (or any hero) bots that could be substituted for the F5 bots would be awesome!

I don't see the last thing ever added to Sentinels being cards you swap in and out of a deck, given that's never been done before...

Mix and match Golems?  I'm in love.

What do you thinkg she would call them?

My guesses:

Dark Watch:  Mechanic Bot, Monacular Bot, Klutz Bot, Spell Bot.

(So it isn't what it is going to be, doesn't mean it wouldn't be awesome!)

I'm definitely entertained by the idea of a variant for each F5 member that's one of Unity's bots, but thematically that would imply Unity is singularly powerful enough to do everything the F5 does.

That doesn't seem likely.

Unity should have Bot cards for all the Heroes.

Then she'll need a Set-Up card:

SET-UP
Search Unity's deck for all of the Hero Bots. Shuffle them and deal five of them face down. Place the remaining Hero Bot cards aside without looking at them. Shuffle the five dealt Hero Bot cards into your deck. Draw 4 cards.

GAME PLAY
Any time a Hero Bot card would go into the trash, remove it from the game instead. Then place the top card of the unused Hero Bot deck into the trash in its place.

This would be really, really cool. 

And if we're going to go this route, there are all sorts of decks that could use this sort of "variant." New guns/ammo for ExPat! New Constructs for Captain Cosmic.

I am hoping, in fact, that the Mission Deck will have just these sorts of things, (we already know there is a card that will have the keyword "Gun") So maybe there will also be some "Mechanical Golem" cards or Construct Cards, etc. 

But, maybe we should start an official BGG Variant thread with this idea.

Some thoughts…

Prime Wardens:  Music Bot, Shock Bot, Angel Bot, Tank Bot, Build Bot

Dark Watch:  Gun Bot, Punch Bot, Fail Bot, Ghost Bot

SW Sentinels/Void Guard:  Heal Bot, Guard Bot, Shadow Bot, ESP Bot

OblivAeon Heroes:  Light Bot, Bird Bot, Earth Bot, Pirate Bot, Blood Bot

Everyone else:  Turducken Bot, Aim Bot, Shrink Bot, Matter Bot, Stabby Bot, Future Bot, Guise Bot

I think that's everyone…

What about Fire Bot, Trap Bot, and Capitalism Bot?
Edit: and btw <30k to go! Maximum Hype!!!

Wait...if you have a Guise Bot, then who is Turducken Bot?

The Naturalist I would assume.  

Man, I knew I forgot someone.  Those are good, too.

And yes, Turducken Bot is The Naturalist.

I won’t accept any name for Setback other than Plucky Bot.

(So glad this idea came up!)

"Sponge Bot" could also be a good one.

I know they said no more stretch goals, but I think this is great and should be the $2M goal. I mean why not?

Because decks don't shuffle well when they have cards of slightly different sizes in them.

I had that problem with the latest update, some of the cards left over from the previous update are like 2 pixels bigger than the new ones, and shuffling them is a nightmare.

Maybe the six cards will contain the answers to all the story line questions we've had in the tiniest print available so everything is on it.  

I think all 6 cards will be The Ace of Spades

A new hero with only a 5 card deck.

With a base power of "draw 2 cards."

Hero name: Conundrum.

That's kinda why I think it's plausible; SotM has a history of finding new ways to play with the format and introducing new concepts. A few ideas off the top of my head (please correct me if I'm wrong about when these were introduced, but fairly sure they all came in after the base game):

• Ambuscade added face-up trap cards.
• The Ennead added villains with multiple character cards.
• The Sentinels added Heroes with multiple character cards.
• Vengeance added a whole playstyle.
• Villains added a bunch of stuff, which I'll totally get around to trying out one day.
• Setback added their own token pool.
• The Tomb of Anubis added the prizes to give players extra abilities from outside their deck.
• Khagraa added a whole extra deck outside the usual Environments/Heroes/Villains types. (I don't know if the Title Deck technically counts as a villain deck, but still, you get the point.)
• Spite added the Safehouse and Drugs.
• Sky Scraper added swapping character cards.
• Unity added a hero based around cards she couldn't directly play.
• Chrono-Ranger and Captain Cosmic both added Heroes based primarily around playing cards into other areas (bounties for CR, constructs for CC).
• The Temple of Zhu Long added the idea of an environment hiding cards in your deck.
• Celestrial Tribunal added bringing in cards from the box to the current game.
• Completionist Guise in the box looks like adding specialist tokens, along with whatever the heck they're used for.
• As for Oblivaeon itself, it's already giving us a third (final?) playstyle, and the first full new decks for existing heroes (Void Guard).
• Oh, and going way back; America's Newest Legacy gave us alternate character cards for decks.

(Update: trimmed this down a little because, daaaaamn. I got carried away!)

I'm reasonably certain that somewhere in the distant past it was said by official word that they would not be doing a card swap idea.

Which makes it perfect fodder for us to play with.  

I'm not sure how a list of new mechanics previously introduced implies that any particular other new mechanic will be introduced. There are an infinite number of possible new mechanics, not a few...

It wasn’t meant to imply that it would be introduced, just to respond to the implication that, because it had never been done before, it couldn’t be; we’ve had a continual stream of things that had never been done before. It’s one of the things that’s kept the game so fresh, to me at least… Nothing’s ever felt like filler.

That's a false equivalency. With the exception of promos, which were introduced four years ago back when the game was still young, every single thing you listed was, at least, a deck of its own. New decks or new expansions play with new concepts, and that's great. Maybe one of the new heroes will have cards they can swap in and out of their deck. I don't think they will, but if you want to take that position then I won't argue.

But the fact that because new decks explore new possibility spaces absolutely does not imply that they're just going to start dropping huge new concepts on existing decks. Because half the things you listed are not hugely innovative, or entirely new, and half of the rest have those things as focal points, for decks or even expansions. Something as massive as customising an already existing deck is not going to happen with six cards for a single hero as an afterthought. It just isn't.

Anyways, I'm excited for Komodo Dragon Bot and Train Pun Bot.  Although Train Pun Bot is still overpowered.

Omnitron-U should actually be an environment.  An evil sentient university.

With that in mind:

Grand Dean Voss

Professor Information 

The Scholar- Full Tenure

Coach Unity (go Fightin' Bots!)

Pi Kappa Phi's Most Fratastic Legacy

Back2School Guise

This popped in my head when I read that http://youtu.be/VijD3WjREgw

I think you’re taking it as trying to be equivalent to a thing I didn’t intend. Yes, it’s a complete new mechanic they’ve not done before, not like the others. My point is that, at their times, the others were complete new mechanics unlike the others. If Khagraa wasn’t out yet and had instead been an announced for Oblivaeon, and speculation had been it would include a complete new deck, people may have felt “it hasn’t been done before, why would they start adding decks that aren’t heroes, villains or environments this late? Won’t happen”.

Yes, most of those have been their own, isolated decks (which I personally don’t see as a problem here… Again, new mechanics do new things, of course there’s an aspect of it that hasn’t been done before, that’s what new means), and I know you’ve said “excepting promos”, but if we don’t except promos, we have examples of cards from already-released heros getting replacements down the line that you swap in and out.

Ultimately, it’s a judgement call on if that’s close enough to make it plausible (if not particularly likely). Although it’s rather academic if MatchStickMan is right and they’ve said they’ll never do it… that’s the nail in this particular coffin.

So, how 'bout that Kickstarter?

I am a big fan of Train Pun Bot, but I respect this thread too much to derail it with train puns.

Oh! I know! Grim Dark Watch promo, or the version seen on Dark Watch Annual #2 (see there: https://greaterthangames.com/system/files/downloads/Hero%20Challenge%20Achievements.pdf , page 6 of the .pdf). Considering there'll be the Xtreme Prime Warden drawn in a similar style, it wouldn't surprise me if the last stretch goal is this. Plus a promo Ra for good measure.

Edit: The Xtreme Prime Wardens are seen on page 8 of the same .pdf!!! Never noticed this before...! This is certainly going to happen guys...

Nice Find! I both think and hope you’ve cracked the case!

In the Grim Darkness of the future Darkwatch... there is only Moore.

I am hoping for 6 villain promos, wven if it goes against the “every villain” thing from the Oversized cards.

Wouldn't that, even with a Ra promo, just be 5 cards? The four of Dark Watch and Ra?

I just noticed the Prime Wardens thing today, also.

I really like the idea of actual Freedom "Five" promos, with Unity finally making it up to the varsity team. It would be a nice way to round out the Freedom Five's story. I think, however, that this is probably unlikely given the previous stance about each Legacy promo being a different Legacy. I guess you could get around this by saying that the "main" Legacy does not actually have a promo of his own, but still …

BLM

P.S. I know Unity plus the original Five is Six, but I wanted to avoid confusion with the alternate timeline Freedom Six.

I was thinking maybe Pinion would be involved to round up the team, but I agree that she's probably not part of the Dark Watch around the time of Dark Watch Annual #2… I'm pretty sure about Ra though, Christopher's smoke bomb and all that jazz… I don't know about the 6th card then…

My initial thought was KNYFE but ending on a Legacy promo is starting to feel appropriate to me and I could easily see Cleverest Legacy being a decoy from the real Legacy we’ll receive.

America's Dimmest Legacy?

He wears gumboots and a handkerchief on his head, and headbutts things.

I'm still sticking with Ra, NightMist, Guise, Scholar, KNYFE, and either Naturalist or Chrono-Ranger.

But, I would love to see some promo cards for ObliVAeon in there. Not a lot, though; I'm running out of hard, oversized sleeves, and I don't want to have to buy a pack of 25 for 2 cards.

Think alternative Dark Watch promos may be likely. Both the Freedom 5/6 and Prime Wardens have alternate universe promos so feels like that would add good symmetry.

Otherwise, actual Freedom 5 promos would be good too. Issue with that being yet another Bunker promo and breaking the each Legacy being a different Legacy trend. Though, having one of the final promos being Legacy would make good "bookends" with the first promo being Young Legacy.

And either way, am pretty sure the 6th card will be Ra. Think that was kind of confirmed.

Also possible:

5 player aid cards for OblivAeon mode.
1 combined aid card for villain(s) and environments in OblivAeon mode.

This last stretch goal is supposed to be the last of the story they want to tell for SotM so a player aid seems odd for doing that and for the game on a whole at this point.  

I was actually a bit disappointed that so few of the goals are component upgrades (although I know some are ‘hidden’ or built into other goals).

Would still be awesome to have improvements like luxury tokens, etc.

I wonder if the 6 cards will add more options to OblivAeon. We know that we have 2 Character cards for him. So this could be other ways he attacks the Multiverse.

Or the cards can be some sort of story/campaign mode. That list the key battles.

I assume the luxury tokens would have leather interiors, sunroofs, and cup holders.

These days, cup holders are standard for all tokens, but yeah.

For whatever reason, however, I always wind up getting heavy-duty tokens with the towing package, even though I never take my tokens camping.

Well, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, right?

I get the cheap tokens.

I mean they are engineered to need replacing every two years anyway right?

I do like to give my tokens underlighting and I put a lift kit on the Tokens from Tactics, pretty fly.

And the 6 cards are: The Freedom Five and Ra!

For the most part I like the designs -- but Maia's outfit is bugging me, particularly the weird holes in the costume to show off her hips, apparently? Seems an odd choice for her.

I'm pretty sure those are white dots  as they have a wrinkle which matches the red part of the costume and not specifically showing skin though I could see why you might think that.  

I think it's her skin.

EDIT: Hmmm, it's hard to tell one way or the other.

My first thought was that its her skin and my second was well thats dumb.

If it's skin the Maia really needs to get more sun.  I think that it's the same color as her arms - that is, part of her costume.

Compare the colour of her neck to her arms and hips definitely different shades of white

Even if it's not meant to be skin (and I do not think it is), it certainly is an odd touch in an otherwise very tightly-designed look, which I find sad.  Still, full mask Rook City Wraith is neat.

With the exception of Ra, these look a little rushed to me, Bunker especially.  It took me a while to realize that he wasn't stuck calf-deep in concrete (I don't remember the issue in which Bunker's right leg got cut in half by an enshortening ray, but it must've happened ;).  I'm kind of hoping these aren't final versions.

I also agree about the hip spots on Wraith.  If they're skin, Silverleaf will be along soon to explain why they need to go. If they're white, they look too much like skin and so also need to go.

I'd be right beside Silverleaf in saying they need to go if it was skin, but I'm pretty sure those are white patches. It would make no sense to have holes there, and would make the belt pointless.

I doubt that is the final versions of them as there is normally more polish by Adam on the cards.   These look like he has the concept of what he wanted to do and to get them properly drawn but not enough for a final release.   Look at update 2 with the Void Guard revealed and then how they look on the Stretch Goal image on the main page. 

Anyone notice what's around Ra's neck?

Why do I think his power will have something to do with his staff…

Maia's belt is a utility belt, and has nothing to do with holding up her clothes--it's there to hold gadgets.

To me it looks the same shade as her neck and arms, and I agree that she needs more sun (unless it's the lighting of that cemetery?) If so, I personally feel like that's a pretty funny take on boob windows.

What does she have on her hands? They look like a stunning device, but melee rather than projectile. And where is she; we haven't seen a "Peaceful Hill Cemetery", have we?

ITs fitting that the final six promos are the freedom five and ra. However I'm not sure bunker needed another promo lol. And what about Unity? :O

My first comment on Wraith is she looks kinda Spite-esque. Between the mask and the cemetery I think that's the feel they are going for. 

I do wish we were also getting a Dark Watch promo set so all the teams got love. 

Now I wonder if I want the foil Villians. I don't like playing with foil cards, but the errata sounds nice. And I am getting the foil Heroes for the love of the game. 

I'm a bit sad its not Dark Watch as well.  I'm sure these promos will be so awesome I'll get over it once the powers are revealed.

We did get a Dark Watch promo with The Harpy at least.  

Which will allow for 5 Hero all Dark Watch games! Super excited for that deck and that promo.

I do wonder if the reason we got X-treme Prime Wardens rather than X-treme Dark Watch is because they couldn't figure out another Mr. Fixer promo power.

We've got 5 member teams for Dark Watch, the Freedom Five, and the Prime Wardens.  Now we just need two more for TermiNation and one more for the Void Gaurd...

Well, the members of termination are also part of freedom five/six so it's not really a team needing five on my mind. The void guard could be paired with the original sentinels team if really wanting to. And that could really illustrate the shattering of timelines and such. 

Or another Setback power.  The Dark Watch is tough in general, though it is a little sad that they all get left with alts which (going by statistics) are virtually all far worse than the originals, especially given that many of them are somewhat troubled originals, too.

I feel that adds a bit to their flavour though. None off the darkwatch are the big bad bosses of the multiverse, and yet they still make a stand.

Really Bitter Strike: Deal 1 target 5 melee damage. Destroy 2 hero ongoing or equipment cards.

Sour Strike: Deal 1 target 1 toxic damage.

Salty Strike: Deal 1 target 3 melee damage. Until the start of your next turn, increase damage dealt by that target by 1.

Sweet Strike: Deal 1 target 2 melee damage. The villain target with the lowest HP gains 1HP.

Umami Strike: Deal each target 1 melee damage.

I’m not sure where people are getting Maia’s hip patches are white from. They’re clearly a pale flesh tone, the same as her neck/cleavage and her bare arms… They’re definitely holes, and I was quite disappointed to see them especially after all the debates going on here surrounding Mindphyre’s design and her (admittedly far more gratuitous) costume gap.

Did someone cast Summon Silverleaf?

Oh. It seems like I have to be disappointed again.

Wraith's hip holes (yes, that looks like skin to me too) make me sad. It's not that I have anything against skin - it isn't skin itself that is a problem, and of course regular Wraith has much more on show, and I'm good with that.

It's just that this costume makes it very clear that Maia's gone commando. I mean it's impossible for her to be wearing underwear with those holes in the position they are.

Again, I have no problem with people not wearing underwear. No problem there at all. My problem is with a costume that looks like it was designed to show off a lack of underwear. Whether it's intended or not, the costume practically screams at you that Wraith chose to go knickerless today, and is that really an appropriate thing to be telling the whole world while you're doing your day job?

Personally I don't fancy Lycra/Spandex directly in contact with my genitals anyway. That sounds sweaty and uncomfortable and an interesting way to get yourself a UTI.

Put some panties on, Wraith. Or at least stop making it absolutely clear to everyone that you aren't wearing any, because at least some of us really don't want to know.

Again don't seem like they are skin tones and if you look at the wrinkles in them it matches up with the costume which should not be the case if it was intended to be skin.   I think the coloring could be made more apparent but it is not skin by my viewpoint.   

Edit: If we get confirmation that it is hip windows then I would agree that it seems out of place.  

Comparing the art in the digital game to the card art it looks like Wraith's skin is darker than the skin-like tone used on the Freedom Five variant. We know from the streams that Adam uses the palette from earlier cards to draw the newer cards, but he typically refers to the previous version of the same card (Redeemer Fanatic for Redeemer Fanatic, for example).

Anyway, even if it doesn't match it looks a lot like skin, so a different color would probably work better if it's not intended to be skin. I can't tell either way which means I am pretty much in agreement with Silverleaf atm.

Strike Three: Mr. Fixer deals himself up to three damage. Deal X targets 1 damage, where X is the amount of damage Mr. Fixer dealt himself.

Great power name!

Wow.  That would make Dual Crowbars insane.  Have Fixer deal himself 3 damage (bumped to 4 thanks to Crowbars), deal 5 damage to a target.  Then deal 2 damage to a target, deal 3 damage to another target, and repeat three more times.  Basically, deal himself 4 damage to spread 25 damage among enemy targets, as long as there are three or more enemies in play.  This would let him easily clear mob-heavy decks like Voss, Matriarch, Dreamer, and Final Wasteland.  Also would make him pretty dominating in Vengeance/Villains style play.  Add a Greased Monkey Fist or other damage boost and he gets even more crazy.  Interestingly, it does not break Jack Handle as much, since he doesn't actually hit himself, so he only gets one shot of damage off; though it does let him deal 3 damage to everything for free, which is still kinda ridiculous.

I'm okay with this.

The more I look at it, the more it does look like skin. I hope the coloring can be changed so that it doesn't look like that any more. There's no reason to have holes there. Everything else about the costume is new and cool, but I can't even begin to imagine why she would feel the need to have hip holes.

It is hard to tell but I think Wraith's arms and hips are costume, while what we can see of her neck and chest are skin - they just look a little bit more sort of pinkish than her arms/hips, which look more sort of grey. Maybe they need to be darkened a bit so they're more obviously grey or something.

Maybe that cemetery is where her grave is from her original incap?

The more I look at it the color on the hips and arms don't match the color on the neck and boob window.   It could be made clearer though.  

I made a thread where we can talk in more depth about the new Freedom Five costumes, if anyone wants to join me. :)

https://greaterthangames.com/forum/topic/the-all-new-and-all-differently-dressed-freedom-five-8593

Heck, I'd be happy to discuss any of the new costumes from OblivAeon over there!

I have some good news and some bad news.  The bad news is, after taking a VERY close look at the pixels, the hips sections and arm sections use the same color palette - all indications are that those are intended to be skin.

The good news is that I took that look whilst changing things slightly.

And, yes, of course I actually did this with the full image.  This is just showing a zoom in on Maia herself, because in order to get it under 500kb to upload it here, I needed to do that or compress it down it hideousness (that version is also attached, below).  I really need to track down some image hosting somewhere, now that I am apparently learning digital art exclusively to give pants to female Sentinels.

Does the hip and neck color match in the color palette?   I ask because I think the arms are clothed as well and is not skin.   I believe the only skin is the neck and boob window on the original image. 

It does match the neck.

Her breasts are in a slightly lighter palette - I guess the Wraith has the same condition as Vivienne from Dragon Age.

Alright it looked a bit different to my eye but if it is the same color I much prefer your version.  

i guess it's something to ask Adam on Friday if they don't say anything before. 

The un-hipped version looks way better to my eyes.

i absolutely agree. Let's get a sensible suits set of hero art and I'd buy that for sure  

I agree, I like Ironic's version way more.

That does look good. Though they might actually be better as white patches so that she fits better with the red, white, and blue theme. Having just red and purple definitely makes the costume stand out more as different from her team.

White or skin, I shall never want patches there, since they break what are otherwise really slick lines on that outfit.

However!  If you want a FV Wraith who looks less like Rook City Mk. II and more like she's sporting the red white and blue, here's something I just mocked up:

With the full art at a reasonable file size.  Slowly but surely, I'm getting the hang of this.

The blue I used here is so faded because, frankly, that was a lot faster than getting everything down as deep as Legacy's blue.  I could fix that with a bit of drudge work, but it's actually kind of growing on me.  Even when she's using his basic boots/gloves/cape colour scheme, Thw Wraith just isn't going to look at bright and clear-cut as Legacy.

I don't like this any more or less than the purple, but the purple does throw back to her Rook City outfit, which I think is nice. However, I am becoming increasingly convinced that it looks way better without the side holes/patches. You did a nice job, I have to look really closely to find where you filled in the holes, and if I didn't know they were there I probably wouldn't notice at all.

Enh.  I still think the upper left hip is kinda rough.  The rest are fine, but doing the biggest area first was a mistake.  I learned a lot from it, but as a result, the most obvious section is also the least-polished, which wasn't a great call.

C'est la guerre.

Full red and blue looks great to me. This will be my headcanon. Nice job, Ironic!