What is the Void?

I may have not followed the forms closely, Fotne might have writen about this, and if not why?

So we got the Virtuoso of the Void, I am sure Nightmist mentions it at many points, Spirt of teh Void, Curse of the black spot(I am sure that is Void) Nexus of the Void. And i am sure it is mention many times before.

So what is it? Can anyone draw any paralles. It can grant people power at a cost, It was always there, maybe off the coast of spain, and what does it have to do with the end story. What will the RPG say about it?

But the main question is why does the "Void" need a Virtuoso?

Maybe…

Akash'Bhuta , the villain, seems to have the goal to get rid of humanity / restore earth to its pristine, chaotic state. There may be a parallel with what Deadline tried to do.

So, could it be that Akash's goal was to prevent the attention of OblivAeon, like Deadline ?

The Virtuoso of the Void's function is to prevent Akash'Bhuta to reach this goal. Just like the Naturalist is more or less meant to prevent Deadline, his nemesis, from reaching his…

Could it be that the Virtuoso is in fact a pawn of the Void, meant to let the OblivAeon event happen ? The Void, from the few description we have, seems not to be a positive force - could it be an aspect of OblivAeon itself - or a power behind OblivAeon ?

The few things I've read about the Void in this KS campaign and before seem confusing - is it helping the heroes, has it plans of its own, or is it a trap ? Lot to discover…

Frankly because I havn't the slightest idea about what this all means. We are only just getting some connecting dots with this KS.

So we have this crazy island thing, a virtuoso, Scholar as a gateway, and there is a very small chance the Black Spot curse of La Commandora is also related based on how it looks in relation to Akash T's chest wound in her void state.

Before this KS I just thought Virtuoso of the Void was a fancy cool sounding title. Obviously its gonna need a closer look. Maybe we will get some good card art/flavor text to fit a theory around once this thing goes live.

Don't forget the Void Guard!

It looks like the Void is more like a force of nature and less like an intelligent entity. I'll bet it has some sort of ties to the Oblivion Shards, but I don't know what.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but this is my working theory: What if drawing power from the void is a way to tap into the most primal thing imaginable, the most ancient of ancient forces, the thing that existed before even existance did. If so, it would be a sort of Alpha to OblivAeon's Omega, fighting the ultimate end with the ultimate beginning? At first I thought it weird that a music-themed hero would be connected to the concept of emptiness and silence, but maybe we're looking at it the wrong way. He's the Virtuoso of the Void, because he fills the void. The void is absolute nothingness, and he uses it like a blank sheet of paper. What better place to produce the purest of symphonic incantations than the backdrop of utter silence? The beginning of the universe, where nothing exists, is a place of infinite possibility, and when he draws on that essence, it allows his music to do impossible things. Similarly, the Nexus of the Void is "an island which defies more laws of reality than it follows." Endless possibilities, it doesn't matter what set of natural laws reality originally settled on. Here, so close to the Void, all the other ways our world could have functioned are fair game. It's all undefined. Null and void.

Can we connect this to The Wager?

If you recall, before time was time and anything existed, there was The Wager. The Wager was that "nothing would happen". That sounds to me like there was nothing but the infinite void, and nothing would ever come from it. 

But something did happen! Time and reality formed. All of the "impossible possibilities" formed Wager Master. All of the "possible possibilities" formed the Multiverese as we know it.

Beings like Oblivaeon and Jansa could be beings from that Void. And the Nexus of the Void could be the link to all of that primal energy and power that was created when Scholar became the gateway between this reality and the Void. 

Ooh. I like this. Akash'Thriya sacrificed some of her essence to gain the Void's power. "But if she survives this, she will have to answer to the Void." So it's a power that you're forced to "pay back" eventually, in some way. We know there was a Wager that nothing would happen. But who made it, and what exactly did losing the bet cost them?

The incap for Scholar of the Infinite Void has him slowly disappearing.   Seems like these powers from the Void grant power but not without a cost.  

Hm...  I saw a magic system that worked kind of like that.  The main character could wield entropy* to destroy things.  Nothing was immune to her magic, because nothing is immune to time, but by the same token it was impossible for her to completely protect herself from the power she was channeling.

*entropy might not be quite the right word, but it's close enough.  "The unraveling of all things" is probably more accurate, but wordier.

Thats why I think the Curse of the Black Spot is connected to this. Sure seems like it's the same thing.

But I wonder how Scholar got mixed up in the Void?

My best is that we'll have to wait for the RPG to have more info on this.

I can do that, too!

How exactly do you figure that?

We will have a TON of art/flavor text from the decks Akash'T, Void Nexus, all four of the Void Gaurd, LaCommandora, Ft Adamant, ect. I have to imagine there will be some very interesting things to comb through in those decks. We will see those thing before we see the RPG in all likelyhood.

Something won that wager.  That is important to remember.

If that thing is Oblivaeon, then why is he destroying it.  Oblivaeon wants to be the only thing that exists.

Wager Master warns them of Oblivaeon coming (in his own way) and the powe of the Void is used to fight Oblivaeon.

I like where Alex was going with this.  The void being the nothingness of infinite possibility.  When someone won the wager a lot of that energy became the Wager Master (all the impossible possibilities) and womewhere the void still exists, and can be tapped into and used.

Scholar meets up with the void, and he can see and use ley lines and can alter the physical structure of things.  He builds the stone to do just that.

The Sentinels use shards to become the Void Guard.  Are they protecting the Void?  Fighting for it?  Using it?

IF the Void is energy of limitless potential, then Oblivaeon is most likely looking to destroy things to gain that energy for himself.

If the shards are able to channel that energythen it would make sense that they are coveted and extrememly powerful.

It also makes sense that someone using the void would start to be consumed by it, as the powe of nothingness flows through them it starts to turn them into nothingness.  The Void Island could be a manifestation of the Void's natural progression to return everything to itself, or it could be a result of the work Oblivaeon is doing.

I don't think Oblivaeon is the Winner of the Wager.  I think he is trying to undo the effects of losing the wager.

I also think that Nightmist, with her training to use magic understands harnessing the power of the void better than the others.  When she harnesses the void to pull parts of different realities to our own she becomes trapped in her "mist" state, which is probably not water vapor.  Others are being consumed, probably because they are harnessing the power without the knowledge of how to do it.

The intrinsic power of all existance (being born of the void) would lend itself to the blood mage Deadline, who can see the ley lines that shape life and learn to use the actual energy of life itself to boost his harnessing of the ley lines power.

This is all crazy and new, and I can't wait to get more stuff to work from.

TL;DR:  I think Oblivaeon was on the losing side of "The Wager", and agree with the void being the limitless potential of nothingness.

Hey Skippy, see my new Footenote post. I am turning to the side of OblivAeon being the one who lost the initial wager as well.

Just did, and commented to add some more thoughts.  This is going to be awesoe as we get to piece it together.  (or at least try to)

I think the Host won the Wager, but I have nothing to back that up.

The Curse of the Black Spot seems like it blatantly drawn inspiration from Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest, where Sparrow owed Davy Jones his servitude upon the Flying Dutchman in exchange for his Black Pearl for several years, and he was also marked by a black spot.

If we take this parallel literally, perhaps La Commodora made some sort of deal along the same lines, for her La Paradoya Magnifica. And when her time was up, she was hunted across the cosmos. Or time.

But I'm just wildly speculating, and I'd love for this to be a thing.

The black spot predates Pirates of the Caribbean. “The curse of the black spot” is, however, suspiciously similar to “curse of the black pearl”

In Treasure Island it’s used as a mark of death… pretty sure the black spot is pretty common in pirate stories. Not sure if Treasure Island is the original source or if it predates that. My guess is the latter.

 Wikipedia says that Treasure Island invented it, but that it might have been based on a real tradition of presenting condemned traitors with an Ace of Spades.

Maybe, but she grabs a live grenade and makes it fall apart in her hand.  Can you do that?  :D

LA Capitan (and by extension La Comadora) is frustrating for me in terms of timeline.

She snuck onto the ship disguised as a boy. To pull that off she would have been… what 10 to 14 years old?

She was effected by the "Void" she fell in, it was in the ocean so maybe an early form of "The Void"? Or but art for the event is on Time Cataclysm, so maybe it is the beginning of the Singularity OblivAeon is creating.

This leads us to "Curse of the Black Spot", the Time Energies effected her, perhaps taking a massive toll on her body perhaps the curse is something else entirely. To cure herself she has a hi-tech compass which seems reminiscent of the compass from Pirates of the Carribean (which pointed to the persons greatest desire). It looks like she's at least 18 but probably older, so it is safe to say this takes place ten years after she gets the ship.

My best guess is that she went to the Nexus of the Void to find a cure for the Black Spot.

After curing herself, or being cured by one of the heroes, we get her in her early piracy career. Perhaps Chiquito is from the Nexus, being the only companion she's had in many years alone. He could have even grabbed a piece of Omnitron-U during the conflict with OblivAeon or the Aeon Men. Correction: Looks like Chiquito appeared in the Final Wasteland on her first trip. This early Captain is defeated and given by Chrono-Ranger to the Elder LA Comodora.

She somehow escapes from her older self, gathers her crew, and becomes the Captain we all know from Shattered Timelines.

After many years and many defeats she abadons her crew, eventually runs into Chrono-Ranger and hires him to go and grab her younger self. Then after securing her younger self she goes and helps fight OblivAeon and save all of time and space.

Alternatively, Black Spot could take place after She is captured and given to the older captain. La Commadora transfers the terrible Black Spot to her younger self, who goes hero while trying to get a cure, then in retalation for how she was treated by herself gathers her crew and becomes the captain we know and despise.

As the "Black Spot" is a Commodora variant, I would rather think that the "curse" of the black spot happened AFTER her piracy carreer with her crew - it's the beginning of the Commodora, and the end of La Capitan. Time travelling finally affected her, and she had to go on a quest to find a "cure", quest that changed her.

Edit : the update's text seems to confirm she was La Capitan we know before gaining the black spot :

"To Maria Helena Teresa Fafila Servanda Jimena Mansuara Paterna Domenga Gelvira Placia Sendina Belita Eufemia Columba Gontina Aldonza Mafalda Cristina Tegrida de Falcon’s reckoning, it has been a long time since she first started sailing the timelines. The passage of time is strange on those seas, though. However, time has come for the villain known as La Capitán.She could not be within time but not part of time for long. Can La Comodora survive her own origin story?"

Hopefully we will get more information once we get some flavor text as to what this black spot was.   I imagine it's tied to OblivAeon to some degree.

Hmm, I thought "her origin" refered to the origin of th captain, her first adventure. But if this is what gave her insight and wisdom and allowed her to move away from villainy and into heroism… I could see it.

Still have the issue of the Capitan escaping from the Comodora to continue her villainy for quite a few years. Why ask for her capture only to let her escape?

I wonder that as well. To me the promo La Comadora looks to be in between Villians La Capitan and Regular La Capitan.

Reading the description of Chrono Ranger's promo it says "The folks on the ship fixed up his arm and his badge, and the captain of the ship just asked for one simple thing in return: fix the mistakes of her youth. Apparently, she'd made a mess of things when she first got that ship"

So what if the "mess" is not piracy in itself, but getting the Black Spot, she wants Chrono Ranger to stop her younger self from doing whatever she did to get the Black Spot, so Villains La Capitan is pre Black Spot, once Villains La Capitan gets the Black Spot (or avoids it) La Comodora is not so worried about further pirate shenanagins and lets Regular la Capitan continue on. Probably still focusing on a way to stop her past self from ever getting the Black Spot. (though it may be a fixed point and she can't stop it)

I always took La Capitan as Paradox immune, She is the only Maria Helena in all time lines when ever she fell though time or what not. But then I saw ¿Donde? ¡Aqui! and I made me question that though. Is that her bringing her self or a multiverse double with her. I like the only one Maira in all timelines story i keep telling my self.

What is Maria base power, just some vauge time/space travel ability. She been to many timelines and times, see ¿Quando? ¡Ahora!(Love that art Btw),why do we only get 1  Maria. while I beilve that all the Maria we have is the same person in the same timeline, it be cool if the best card in La Comondora deck is Her sending a Fleet of Marias to atttack. I mean La Comondora the  Commodore, a higher rank and means she is in control of more ships. hmmm well back to the void

Old Maria is in a time lock suit, what ever that means. How old is she? Does her powers give her extended life span? I do Belive that black spot if the void, It follows the same color and pattern as Aksh'T. We are going to get alot of info on the Void coming up, so excited.

Side note, What is a Fixed point, how important is it, and why is the dreamer picuted as it? What does the Venessas have to do with it all.

 The dreamer has a crytal like the void gaurdians. Is that where she draws her powers. That will make Visionary powers totaly different that The dreamer power. What beign leave a power gem in a teddy bear to cause massive amout of disruption and damage. If only we had a misspelled Villian to blame it on.

Heh.  That's totally the Capitan canon my group uses, too.

Nope. The latest livestream confirmed that Black Spot Comodora comes after both Las Capitan.

I saw that in the live stream doc. If the questions were specifically asked because of my theory then at least they led to some additional info. Even if it proved it wrong.

Because the promo Comodora is younger than the base Comodora, that means the base Comodora presumably still has the black spot. So she wears the timelock suit to inhibit the black spot from doing whatever a black spot would normally do to a person, yes?

When asked about more info on the void environment in the stream, Christopher said: "It's an island inhabited by planar beings who harness terrible power."

And in the kickstarter update it says:The Nexus of the Void features every biome known to humankind, as well as many unknown. Dangerous elemental creatures roam the island, attacking anyone they encounter without hesitation.

Maybe I'm off, but it feel like a nod to Spirit Island.

Christopher said that Black Spot Comodora is the origin story of the Comodora. We don't know much aubout that, but that she is affected by the black spot and tries to find a "cure" of some sort by going to the Void Island. What happens there is still a mistery. The Comodora suit could be a way to contain the Spot, or could be a special technology to keep time travelling after OblivAeon's defeat. Or both, or neither.

I hope we will learn more about what happens to her in the Nexus when we'll have the cards in hand…

she seems to wear the time locked suit to prevent happening to her what we see happening the Scholar on his promo incap art. He is fading away. It makes me wonder if he has a similar hole on his body that his clothes cover. Scholars constant use of oblivion shard powers has connected him deeply and in dept to the void in a similar way.   

If he had a spot, wouldn't we have seen it on his incap side where his shirt is ripped?

Depends on where it is

What if Chrono-Ranger gives La Capitan the Black Spot? She goes to the Void island and there becomes La Comodora.

Not likely as Chrono-Ranger was sent after a much younger version of La Capitan and the standalone La Capitan who is older is fought before we encounter a younger La Capitan.  

There's also an extremely mediocre Doctor Who episode in season 6 called "The Curse of the Black Spot" which I immediately thought of, I doubt that La commadora was influenced at all by that, but they are both about time travelling and pirates, so…

There was an amazing Dr. Who story about Pirates, but that was season 16.

The Season 6 episode was called The Space Pirates, and while not as good as the one 10 years later, it did have Jamie and Zoe, which makes it worth watching.  However I can't remember anything about a Black spot involved in it.

I should clarify; this is the new Doctor Who, it was season 6 episode 3.

The Void is the realm from which the Xel'Naga hail, and also wherein Amon lies trapped. What exactly the void is beyond that is never really discussed, but-

...Wait, that's StarCraft...

I tend to use Wikipedia's standard, which is the 2005 series is series 1 and the 1963 one is season 1, so Curse of the Black Spot is series 3 or season… 31 I think?

Curse of the Black Spot was in Eleven's second series, I believe? Nine had one series, then Ten had...three, I think (Rose, Martha, Donna) and the specials, then regenerated into Eleven who met Amy and stuck around for three series (two with Amy, one with Clara). I think the Black Spot episode was in his second series since Rory was present, though I may be misremembering and it was his first. Which makes it either the fifth or sixth "new" series. I can't recall how the numbering goes taking into account all the "classic" series so I would guess maybe around thirty (I think Nine's series was something like the 26th series counting from the beginning of One's).

Third episode of 6th series, precisely. Should be season 32 if I m counting right. Eleventh Doctor.

I doubt it has anything to do (except for the Black Spot reference to pirate tales) with the Void, though - without spoiling the story too much, the "curse" is not what it seems, in this episode. Though it would be an interesting development !

I've mentioned my theory on another thread, but here goes:

The Void is what existed before creation, and before the Wager.  It is not emptiness, in fact, its the opposite:  it is the primal chaos that contains the infinite possibility of existence.  Its the realm where Gods, capital G, come from, insofar as they can be declared distinct beings from the realm.  It is dangerous, but not because it is evil or hostile:  its just too much for mere mortals to bear.  The more you touch upon the Void, the more you are transformed by it, both in form and perspective.

Under this theory, Oblivaeon is one of the Void-born Gods.  So is Jansa vi Dero, and also whoever else made the Wager, if Jansa isn't that being.  Its also not coincidence that the Wager turned out the way it did, nor is it coincidence that except for Oblivaeon, all the Void-touched individuals are broadly positive influences on the Multiverse.  In essence, the Void "wanted" Creation and the Multiverse to happen.

( To make an analogy, if this were Lord of the Rings, the Void-born gods are the Valar.  Oblivaeon is Melkor/Morgoth.  The Void is Eru. )