Final expansion speculation: villains turning hero

With the release of Villains, my wife and I had some discussion about a possible theme to show up in the final expansion: villains that become heroes. Omnitron has done this already, as has (sort of) the Dreamer. But we’re now inspired by the new art prints and character bios we now have access to. Especially:

• La Capitan. We know that in her later years, she wishes to undo the actions of her youth, helps Chrono-Ranger and sets him to this task. She may even do the final apprehension of her younger self herself, on La Capitan's Villains character card's incapacitated side.
• Pinion. We have known/strongly suspected that the Matriarch turns good and becomes a playable hero in the card game. She maybe appears on one of La Capitan's cards ("Cuando? Ahora!).

On top of these, we also have strong possibilities for villains who could be influenced to join the heroes:

• Infinitor's new promo suggests that he sometimes takes an active role in fighting his madness, WITH his brother.
• The Operative may harbor lingering loyalty to Mr. Fixer, her old master.
• Fright Train. We know he takes the mantle of Bunker at some point.
• Deadline. He's been working to subvert the cosmic entity.

If the “big bad” is a cosmic entity that threatens the entire multiverse, one might imagine that heroes and villains would band together. That might be an appropriate time to introduce some new loyalties.

Fright Train only becomes Bunker in the Iron Legacy timeline.  It is not for certain he turns a hero in the main timeline.  I do like the idea and I d suspect we possibly get two villains turned hero.  

The Operative's bio in Sentinel Tactics puts her pretty clearly still on the "villain" side, as does the URL:

http://sentineltactics.com/multiverse/villains/the-operative

However, the hero/villain divide seems to be a little less clear in the Sentinel Tactics timeline.

My guess: A scenario book. Kind of a campaign mode with some "Legacy" (as in Pandemic Legacy or Risk Legacy) cards added to the game that adds persistent effect to the campaign. (Example of what I'm thinking about: If a hero gets incapacitated during a fight, for his next combat, he has one fewer card in his starting hand.)

You could still play this expansion with just the base game, but with more expansions, you'd be able to access different part of the overall campaign.

Also a couple Villains turned hero for good measure (Pinion?) and Terminarch with its own weird gameplay (Perhaps a multi stage boss fight with mutliple decks?).

Maybe...?

With the Release of Chokepoint and the Celestial Tribunal, that now gives us 4 mini-expansion villains and 4 mini-expansion environments, but only 3 mini-expansion heroes.  My guess is that the final expansion pre-order will give us one more mini-expansion hero to balance that out (and I'm hoping it'll be Pinion, rather than an all-new character).

Pinion would be a wonderful addition. Then you could set up a story where her old self slips through time from the past, and she must face her former self. Wonder what her nemesis icon would be, though.

You know, I could see Citizen Dawn turning heroic for a time -- in the same way that Magneto occasionally flip flops to lead the X-Men every once in a while.

Perhaps it will a set that gives you all the cards you need to turn any one of the existing villains into a hero, so they can join in the fight against The Big Bad.

I'd also love a Pinion deck.

I don't expect to see new hero characters in the final expansion or as promo. Mostly because at the moment, all the existing heroes have a nemesis in the original Vengeance expansion. Adding an extra hero would unbalance this equilibrium. 

I do however like the idea of heroes working with the villains (probably only the villains of Vengeance and Villains) to defeat the ultimate boss. How this could be made possible; don't know..

It is kind of telling that no mini-nemesis has an unasigned symbol.  Obviously they could surprise us with a hero and do a mini-expansion of a V-format deck for them.

I agree that it is most likely that heroes are done.

That speculation has more or less been in place since Vengeance released. We knew Captain Cosmic, Sky-Scraper, and Guise because they had mini-nemeses on cards in the V5, but there was nobody else not already accounted for.

I wouldn't discount a new hero having the same nemesis icon as another hero.  It would make sense too for a villain who has turned into a hero as the original hero would still be wary of them.  

Yeah, we already know that villains can be each others’ nemeses, so why not the heroes? All that’s likely established is that the icon set is closed.

I'm praying to the gods of the multiverse that something like this be true.

(Villains Spoilers; some people have it, so it's probably cool, but I don't feel like saying it without warning) Gotta go Doc Scratch on this and hilight that white text if you want to read it!)

Because of Heartbreaker, in Miss Information's Deck, I don't think Pinion will be in Sentinels Proper. In playtesting, his nemesis symbols were just replaced with the words [Nemesis: Dark Watch], implying that he was the nemesis of the ENTIRE Dark Watch, but the final version has his nemeses as just the normal 4 of Setback, Fixer, ExPat, and NightMist. Of course, this COULD just mean that she isn't part of the Dark Watch during Sentinels, of course, but I would find that a little disappointing myself.

also, to add to team no more heroes, they said that every hero will have a promo by the end of things.  So if they add a new hero, it would also have the promo version in the same expansion, which seams odd considering that promo's almost always represent changes and progression for the character

*points out Setback variant coming out before the deck!*

Captain Cosmic too, I believe. 

Captain Cosmic promo came with Wrath of the Cosmos and the rest of the Prime Wardens.  So it is not out of the possibility to have new heroes and promos for them at the same time.

We do have this:

True. It just seems odd to me that SotM would end without at least Pinion being a playable hero.  

With the idea that all heroes will have a variant...

That would mean SKy-Scraper, Omnitron X and PArse are getting variants very, very soon. Maybe a new team?

The Outcasts!

You know, it might work something like the Representative of Earth card in the Tribunal -- you pick a villain card out, and it acts as some kind of support role (like, say, buffing his/her nemesis).

I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard of a new pre-order campaign for the last expansion yet. Wasn't it just a few days after WotC released that VotM was up for pre-order? Or am I not remembering that correctly?

I believe you remember that correctly. It was very soon afterward. All things considered I don't think it will be as quick this time around

Nor should it be, in my opinion; give the new expansion some time to sink in before springing another on people.

also, I think they are not likely to do another pre-order set until Broken city at least gets to the printer

Thats gonna be a long while off

True but they really can't afford to PR wise, given how much Broken City is already delayed, plus focusing on the RPG as well.  I would be surprised to see a preorder campaign before late Spring at the earliest

Yeah, they have a lot more on their plate now. Doesn’t stop us from speculating, though!

In particular, I expect the new play mode to take some extra play-testing. (I believe Vengeance was a little delayed coming out for that reason?)

I don't think that the lack of an unassigned symbol means it can't happen, esp. as Pinion becoming a hero would take place after most of the the cards we've seen so far.  Maybe Pinion's nemesis is a character to be introduced in the final expansion.

OR I could easily see GTG trhowing us a curveball with (the hypothetical) Pinion nemesis icon and having her be a hero without a nemesis or doing something with a different mechanic like Greazer where it's set to be a villain in play

So for you play testers what does a long while off mean? 1 month, 2 months, several months, next Christmas? I was thinking I might get my hands on the new expansion for my kids birthdays in April and May. Do you think that is possible from your past experience and where the testing materials you have now are?

Things are looking up. There's been renewed focus on Tactics playtesting as of today. I can't give you any definite timelines, though.

Doesn't it take about three months to get product back from the printer? Even if files were ready to send off right now (spoiler: they're not ready) getting the game for April would be cutting it fine, so my advice is to not get your hopes up.

The renewed focus is really good news. I think that they had a lot going on in 2015 which has made for a long cycle. I am hoping that in 2016 that the team will be able to shorten the production cycle and really crack things out! I will say that for me Villains was worth the wait, so if a little extra time is what it takes, then that is what it takes.

I doubt you're right, but I hope I'm wrong. That would be immense, literally a combination of my two favourite gaming things. Imagine you're halfway through a fight, and suddenly you get a new power to grant to someone, that they get to keep permanently and put out at setup by default? Imagine… Oh god… Imagine you screw up, and for whatever reason have to rip up one of your cards, never to be used again? "Right, choose a character in this battle, and a character in the box, and apply these stickers. They are now Buddies and if they're both being played, once per round, an attack on one can be redirected to the other."

Hell, you know what? I'll ante up. If GTG finishes up with Sentinels (card game, not Tactics) and hasn't made some sort of Sentinels Legacy (hah, just realised how relevant that name would be), I'll start up an unofficial fan project to make a legacy-style expansion, print-and-play. You can quote me on that.

It would be terrific to make a fan legacy-style game if GtG doesn’t do it themselves. We basically just have to write the legacy deck - okay, because of Legacy, I’m gonna call it the scenario deck on this forum - and players can write on or destroy those without touching their beloved official cards. For instance:

Hey, Buddy!

Write the names of two hero character cards in play below:

---

---

These heroes are now Buddies. Whenever both are in play, if one of these heroes would take damage, you may redirect it to the other Buddy.

What’s Goin’ on…Buddy?

Tear up the “Hey, Buddy!” card.

Players would just have to put all active scenario cards in play at the start of game.

Putting my original post title together with comic cover #9…

Progeny???

Sort of?

Maybe the next expansion will provide lots of alternate character cards for the heroes : different versions from different universes. In other words, "promos", but they will be part of the expansion. A good way to make heroic villains : give Fanatic's deck to alternate reality Apostate. Maybe even alternate villains, Scion/Cosmic version ? Anyway I want Metal Adept and friends :D

It would be great if the expansion was a "mini campaign" : the final boss can only be fought after succeeding in finding a number of "clues", items or allies through other fights/quests.

Reading through everything from the last few days I'm thinking that the obvious answer is that we are going to get two reformed villain decks, The Harpy and The Ennead.

The non vengence style expansions normally have two heroes, so I can make that fit.

Or and this is my looney theory, we're getting a bunch of team hero decks e.g. (Freedom Five + Unity, Dark Watch + The Scholar + The Harpy, Ra + The Ennead, Prime Wardens) so that all the heroes fight the Big Bad at the same time.

Then my head exploded...

Or possiby that the enemies of that hero are now enemies of the villain becoming that hero's unlikely ally?

While this seems like a great idea… this also feels like the direction of Sentinels; Tactics. I think a scenario book also stops the creativity point of the game. Takes the imagination away from the players and gives it to a book, instead.

The great thing about Sentinels is that the game is very open ended. It allows you to play as whomever you want and make the story yourself. Linking everything to a canon (even though there is a canon if you read carefully) makes the game turn into an RPG instead of a game.

Since we already have an actual RPG in the works, I don't think making those games collide is the best plan of action.

…Okay, possibly hero version of Baron Blade? Did not see that one coming. I figured he’d be fighting Legacy forever.

I thought Blade would be fighting Legacy forever too.  I mean, someone prepared to pull the moon into the Earth to hurt/spite/kill their enemy is so far on the other side of rational that I can't imagine how they think.  But maybe the total destruction represented by the cosmic entity is a step too far.

In terms of heroes and villains joining up, I wonder if there's any way to handle that without new decks?  When Vengeance came along with the villain team format, we got new decks, after all, not just a way to configure existing villain decks (which, honestly, would've been a bit of a pain every time one wanted to switch back and forth).  But maybe the Vengeance format is more congenial to villain decks taking on roles in hero teams, because they're more balanced towards the strength of one villain per hero.  Who knows?

I always pictured Baron Blade as a villain that would do anything to achieve his goals. While he is crazy, he's also very cunning. If this helps him survive, then he has a reason to fight with heroes. I would say this is a good reason.

Maybe you add the Villains decks, but change instances of "non-villain target" or "Hero target" to "Oblivaeon target"

I think Baron Blade is very much the type of crazy that says, "You don't get to defeat Legacy, I get to defeat Legacy," or "You won't destroy this planet, that's my job!"

I really can't wait to see hero Blade, should keep the same nemesis icon just so he can hit Legacy really hard (with Galvanize, Inspiring Presence and Nemesis bonus!)

Saving the planet and incapping Legacy in the same game. . . Priceless.

Glad to see my old predictions are coming true! Matriarch and Blade as hero decks were something I though was very probable for a long while now. 

Im very excited to see what we have in store coming up. 

We still have no clue about Apostate or The Host though. I'm kind of disappointed that we got nothing more of that story and that no one asked Christopher during the live arting thing I missed. Maybe we will get more on that. 

Adam mentionned he'd do a livestream every friday until the end of the KS (if I remember correctly). I'm not sure Christopher will be there each time, but one can hope...! :)

I wonder if the villains that team up with heroes won’t actually be playable, but their decks would run themselves Vengeance-style. The setup card would just say something like, “Baron Blade is a hero target. Swap all occurrences of the terms ‘hero’ and ‘villain’ on all cards in his deck.”

It certainly doesn't seem that way from everything we've read and deciphered. That would be a major letdown, in my opinion.

I think an older La Capitan would be a potential villain turned hero.  After she tries to deal with her younger self maybe she realizes that isn't enough to correct her mistakes.  

I would love to have that, and didn't people say there's seomthing on her VotM version's incapped side that alludes to older her? I haven't seen it myself, though, so I can't confirm.

She shows up on that incap side.   The older La Capitan is also mentioned in the information for Best of Times Chrono Ranger.  

I love this!  No one but the Baron being allowed to defeat Legacy, and all the rest - it's completely spot-on.

While it's more obvious that Legacy would be willing to work with Blade for the sake of a greater good, I have to wonder what it would feel like for Legacy to be cooperating with someone who has successfully murdered him in some timelines and his daughter in others.  He has to know that any moment could seem like the right one for Blade to stab them in the back, if it looks like the Baron could do that and still have Oblivaeon be defeated.  I mean, in the Iron Legacy timeline, I feel sure that part of Iron Legacy's rage is self-hatred at not killing Blade before Blade could kill Felicia, given that he had known for years that the Baron wanted to end the Parsons lineage, but never took justice into his own hands because (presumably) it was important to leave things to the courts.  Once Iron Legacy appears in the main timeline, even after he's dealt with, there must be lingering questions.  It clearly shows that the heroes need to be very careful in dealing with Blade, who isn't going to be any more compassionate or less competent in dealing with Felicia than with her father.

I will definitely be trying to take out Legacy the second I am confident of Victory if I play as Hero Baron Blade.  Maniacal laughter and all.

Christopher said 5 heroes in the final set.

• We know Blade and Harpy.
• We've seen future La Capitan, so that's a possibility.
• The Ennead was mentioned during the ARG as fighting on the side of the heroes (as was Anubis) -- and those could make for an interesting "hero". (Not sure how it would work mechanically, though...)

Who else could we get?

Fright Trian could become a full fledged hero instead of a promo for Bunker.  Proletariat is also high on my list of potential heroes.  

I wonder if we'll see a reverse of this as well in the final expansions. Any heros turned villain.

I'm wondering if parse, having had contact with the big bad and looking at her incap side, isn't pulled under Oblivaeon's control as a scion. Against her will of course. But somehow overcome, like angel becoming archangel in the x-men comics.

Maybe multiple scions, each touched by the big bad someway somehow and based on who they were before they each have a different way they must be fought?

My best guess for parse at this point.

That is both terrible and wonderful.  

The Harpy and Heroic Blade are obvious… I have to wonder if ALL of the heroes are going to be former villains, or if there are going to be done new ones in there. A heroic La Capitan would be awesome, and Deadline. Citizen Dad is out, unfortunately, as is CON. Good Akash’Bhuta is still on the table, though. I’d really like to see something with REVOCorp. I still feel like there’s more to be explained with them.

In the Q&A, Christopher said all the heroes would be characters we'd recognize (if we'd been paying attention.) Whether that means there will be characters from the artwork we'll finally get to meet or just reformed/transformed peeps, hard to say. But what we can summize is we won't be meeting anyone new.

And he DID say that when Voss inevitably returns, we may not recognize him…

Him as a Scion, or even ObliVAeon himself makes a lot of sense too, though. “What [he] cannot have, [he] will destroy,” after all.

Obviously just speulation, but I really hope Thiago might return as a hero, or even a villain (akin to Pixar's Syndrome maybe?) There was a lot of speculation about him earlier in SotM's lifespan, but people seem to have forgotten him (or they revealed what happened to him and I just didn't see it).

No one really knows, short of GtG themselves, of course. We speculated that he may be Tactics Ra, but I don’t know what ever came of that discussion…

Thiago?

The young boy in a Legacy t-shirt on Spite's Potential Sidekick card.

Thanks. :)

I also think that Fright Train may become a hero.

I noticed differences in the wording of the incapacitate effects of the Vengeful Five. Baron Blade's and Fright Train's incap effects refer to the start of their respective "villain turn". The other villain incap effects of the V5 don't have this wording, they just refer to the start of their respective "turn". But the clarification on the incap sides of Baron Blade and Fight Train is only necessary if there will be also hero decks of both of them, isn't it?!

I know a couple of people have said that about Fright Train, but my copy of his villain card specifically says "Fright Train's turn", missing the villain keyword. Baron Blade's does say "villain turn", though.

Not to discredit any of the theories; just wonder if mine's a typo from an early edition or something. Anybody with the text on their card got a scan of it for confirmation?

I'm not so sure that Baron Blade's card saying "villain turn" actually hints to anything. If Baron Blade will be his very own Hero deck, then he will be going by another name, for the pure purpose of what will happen if you play Baron Blade versus Baron Blade. Anything using "Baron Blade" would refer to both of them. Backlash Field is in play? Hitting either of the Baron Blades would trigger it.

Scion maybe but not OblivAeon himself.   Deadline was with the Enclave of Endlings for 700 years after his world was destroyed by OblivAeon before he noticed the events of Earth that would cause their extinction.   His background also specifically mentions how he wept as Voss destroyed a civilization but actions of Voss weren't enough to get him to try to stop anything.  So I could see Voss as a Scion but not OblivAeon. 

Random musing...

Facts:

Christopher stated every hero will have a Promo Variant.

3 Heroes (Parse, Omnitron-X, and Skyscraper) currently do not have Promos.

Oblivaeon will contain 5 new Hero decks.

Extrapolation:  Minimum of 8 new Promos incoming.  At least one for Parse, Omni-X, and Skyscraper, then one for each of the Oblivaeon Heroes.  Plus any additional Promos >G wants to hand out.

There will be 3 for Sky-Scraper, one for each size.

Does that count as three, though?

Sentinels counted as 4, at least in terms of card count. So, yeah.

If one of the heroes IS in fact a Baron Blade turned good... then he technically already has a promo variant. 

Omnitron-U was confirmed tonight on the Handelabra chat, Parse was revealed last Friday during Adam Draws Live. It would be cool if we saw the Sky-Scraper promo art this Friday when he draws. 

There would be three Sky-Scraper promo art pieces, which would be cool but take a long time.

I do not think Baron Blade has turned good. He may have a Hero deck, but that seems like it would be mostly to further his own goal. Take The Dreamer, she isn't bad, but she has a villain deck because at that point in time she is opposing the heroes.

Ha. OK... if it's in fact Baron Blade opportunistically aligning himself with the heroes just for this occasion because doing so furthers his own goals, and not because he has found the error of his ways in any manner, shape or form, he already would technically have a promo variant card and therefore there would be no need to create a new one to satisfy the claim that all heroes will have variants by the end of the story arc. So he wouldn't necessarily be counted when speculating how many promos are coming. 

But maybe one promo will be for an alternate reality Blade where he is good. 

Maybe the hero deck is the alternate reality Blade and not the Ivan we all have come to know in the main timeline? Someone pointed out how his costume is fairly similar to Unity's with the goggles and everything (though our Blade in Tactics also has those I guess). Anything is possible at this point.

Baron Blade's first appearance in the card game also wears the goggles, they are around his neck.

Now that would be a fun reversal.

Alternate Dawn, Voss, Omnitron and Blade hero decks, vs. Crime Syndicate-esque alternate Freedom Five.

I suspect that "hero" baron blade is just going to be called blade, to avoid name sharing confusion. 

I'd call the deck by his birth name honestly. Baron Blade is a moniker that I do not think would carry over to a hero deck.

Welp, looks like Oblivaeon will indeed have some kind of mission system, judging by the Kickstarter description!

And because no one has mentioned it yet Heroic Baron Blade will be named Luminary.

When I first read the name Luminary (as the Kickstarter page loaded very slowly on my phone) I was kind of hoping it would Dawn...

I'd really love to see a Citizen Dawn hero

I honestly think she's individually too powerful to play as a hero. Something would have to have weakened her to take her down to that level.

Maybe OblivAeon blocked out the sun…

I am sure a cosmic entity attacking the planet could justify all sorts of ways to lessen her power.  

While I have no expectation that Dawn will be a hero, I just want to point out that Iron Legacy has a much higher power level than Legacy, despite basically being the same character.

That is to say, decks are as strong as they need to be, hero or villain.

I ntoice din the KS video that "old friends come to their aid" and shows a picture of Infinitor.

Could Infinitor be a hero too? Yes, he has a villain promo where he acts as a hero, and needs to overcome his insanity, but i doubt that this is a coincidence.

There's an element of World of Cardboard with Iron Legacy, though. He's not stronger, per se, he just doesn't care about holding back any more.

I think that part is specifically referring to the Infinitor Promo, which will probably be released officially with OblivAeon. 

Hah, nobody has speculated about that. Nigel Lowsley (the brother of Hugh Lowsley, aka Captain Cosmic) might well be a hero. He wouldn't be called Infinitor–I think Christopher clarified in one of the Q&As that Infinitor is definitely evil, but Nigel is not.

Keep in mind that the Infinitor Promo villain has not "officially" been released. Being incidently included into the big oversided card pack doesn't seem like the fitting intro promo villains should get, and he still needs a small card version.

Yeah, Christopher did mention things like "no hero named Matriarch" and as you mentioned that Nigel is not evil. 

I hope this si the case, he may be like a combination of unity with minions and captain cosmic. 

Perhaps, but don't you think he'd cut loose on Oblivaeon if driven to it if that were the case?

Iron Legacy is as strong as he needs to be in order to be a villain. Legacy is as strong as he needs to be in order to be a hero.

Yeah, I still need an explanation for Kismet's mask too xD

Looks like the closest we are getting to Nigel as a hero is a Captain Cosmic promo where he and his brother were forced into a fusion dance.

Look like the Box Heroes will be

Luminary, Harpy, and now Akash Thriya!

Ambuscade is getting a mini-expansion hero deck, as well as a Revocorp build hero! Benchmark's suit is almost 100% similar to Revenant. Hmmm

So the image on the 400K stretch goal is Deadline, right?  So he'd be the fourth villain turned hero in the expansion, as speculated by many.  Be interested in who the fifth will be since it can't be Infinitor  (or Ambuscade)

Edit: and the 350 looks like La Capitan to me

Two more box heroes to reveal.  Who is the next villain turned hero due to the desperate situation.  

350k Is La Capitain. Calling it now!

400k Looks like deadline to me as well!

Yeah I was editing as you were posting, I agree about La Cap being the other one

I dunno something about the 350 reminds me of Miss Information... I'm not calling that, just saying. I kinda hope it's La Captain, but I want to hedge my bets.

It's the curly hair. That and the wrist bracletts its a dead givaway to Capitain.

I said this in the kickstarter chat, but it's worth bringing up here:  Luminary is from the base set. Harpy is from rook city. Akash'Thriya is from infernal relics. 

The two "normal" expansions that don't have good turned villains are Shattered Timelines and Wrath of the Cosmos. So I agree with La Capitan and Deadline being the two new heros

Stuntman would qualify for Mini-expansions as well since that is what Ambuscade is, and if Benchmark is supposed to be Revenant then he covers Vengence.  La Capitan would then cover both Shattered Timelines and Villians.  Deadline covers Wrath.  That's all the expansions (refering to mini-expansions as a group of course.)

and stuntman mini-expansion representing the mini expansion villains

Pretty sure that's Gloom Spite in a wig.

I think the implication of Infinitor being good has been explained in Cosmic's new variant where he and his brother are now one. So technically that's both brothers.

The hair does throw me off, but I'm on the boat with it being Capitan, considering it looks like she's holding a sci-fi gun.

Million Dollar Stretch Goal:
        "Anubis & the heroic Ennead" mini-expansion Hero Deck, with promo for itself, and for Ra (Ra: End of Days)

Calling it right now.  (Mostly because I think it's my only hope at this point of seeing any of that.)

Bracelets? But no version of La Capitan we’ve seen so far wears bracelets. Normal has that fancy jacket, villains has gloves and future version has a sci fi bracer thing on.

The hair style looks to be a closer fit for Miss Information’s too, and that hint of glow effect makes me think it could be her using her reality warping powers.
Before she became a villain she was very closely associated with the heroes, so working alongside them against such a huge threat could make sense.

I’m also intrigued about when the Sentinels are going to show up again, and what state they’re going to be in. It doesn’t sound too good for them currently.

Personally hoping for La Captain.... but after checking the card art again the hair looks nothing like the old version of La Captain's from her incap and alot like Miss Information's.... I guess we'll find out tomorrow but I'm starting to feel like it may be her.

Im starting to second guess myself.

VotM art shows Miss Info with similar curly hair to the shadow on the stretch goal page. But Capitain also has kinda curly hair at the ends.

The Shadow is holding something. It could very well be that stone-ish mask Miss Info was wearing. It has a similar shape

I personally hope for a La Capitan hero not Miss Information.   Comic wise with her drawing being at least like Kang the Conqueror we should have a hero version of La Capitan.

One thing to consider, the silhouette is most likely a variant of the standard character. The standard could be an older version of La Capitan, while the variant is a young one.

Also, I am hoping that each of the hero decks in OblivAeon is a villain from the core game and each standard expansion. That would leave us with either La Capitan or Kismet, both of which I would be happy to have as playable character.

Technically, it could also be The Dreamer-- or, at least a much older version of her, given that shadow art.

But yeah, I'm in the camp of each expansion being represented by a hero, since Stuntman/Ambuscade would cover Villains and Benchmark from Vengeance (given the Revenant connection). So, I wouldn't be surprised to see La Capitan/Kismet/Dreamer and Deadline tomorrow.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand the "Heroic Dreamer" idea?  We already *have* a heroic version of the Dreamer.  Its called "The Visionary".

Visionary is from a different timeline than the Dreamer. The Visionary was a subject in Project Cocoon while the Dreamer was not. The Dreamer may grow up to be a very different person than the Visionary, with different personality, goals, abilities, etc. That's what I was thinking would be interesting. It doesn't appear that she'll become a hero in OblivAeon, but who knows.

I just thought, another reason why Miss Information might join the fight - her powers and existence as a villain is entirely based around the multiverse, it’s possible she might be reliant on it even and without it she could be powerless… No other realities to draw from.

I think she is still too young at that point. Doesn't a still very young Dreamer influence Mangrove to turn good in the Tactics timeline? 

I'm surprised how tightly Miss Information has been wound into the SotM storyline given that she was originally the winning entry in a fan-made villain contest, meaning that Chistopher didn't think her up.  But she shows up in Tactics and also maybe as a hero in Oblivaeon.  Not bad for someone who wasn't supposed to be part of the story in the first place.

You are thinking of Kismet, not Miss Info.

No, Miss Imformation was the runner up.

Whaa?  All this time I thought it was Miss I who was the submission.  I guess it all makes much more sense now.

EDIT: wait, if she was the runner up, then my point still stands - she was a fan submission, right?

I assume Parse would always have been around otherwise, like Setback was, but I struggle to see who her nemesis would have been if Miss Information hadn’t been chosen.

With Setback, if Kismet hadn’t been around then Revenant is more than prominent enough in the setting to have likely been his main nemesis.
I can’t see anyone like that for Parse, Highbrow doesn’t exactly stand out from all the other masses of minor nemeses.

Could Parse have been set to be the create a hero nemesis whoever it was going to be?But Kismet seemed so appropriate for Setback that Revenant got bumped out in favour of her, leaving a space for Miss Info?

Either way, she certainly has done well for herself.

Wager Master was the originally intended main nemesis for Setback IIRC

Probably ninjaed but confirmed from the last update it's La Capitan and Deadline turning hero.

1. Not too young to be a villain.

2. For a known time traveler, age shouldn't really be a factor.

I'm silently hoping there's a hero version of Kismet, but her deck-stacking stuff isn't as uncommon to heroes as it is to villains, and she might end up too much like Visionary. Maybe if they focused on the way her deck-stacking is directly tied to how she deals the majority of her damage, or did something interesting with Jinx cards...

This should be canon: Alt La Commodora’s black spot should be in the shape of a pearl.

I can’t wait to play La Comodora. She looks bad—! Just like whatsisname, from that movie.

So this is probably the lineup of villains turned hero. Still kinda wondering what happened with the Ennead based on what we learned in the puzzle hunt, though.

My guess is the Ennead will show up as part of the finding allies from completing missions mechanic we’ve yet to hear much about

I really hope that they show up in some form. Ra was the first Hero I played and after 400+ games, playing as Ra in 200+ of them, he's still my favorite.  I really want to be able to play out Ra's final charge with Anubis and the Ennead at his side.