Mr. Fixer is Soooooooo Weak!

Mandatory thread.

Oh not again...

OMG I KNOW RIGHT?

It's totally true! Everytime I play Mister Fixer, I only draw the same 10 cards! I never draw anything good and he is about as good as a fish out of water.

Apparently Christopher agrees with you, that's why he just got a buff.

Mister Fixer was totally weak because if I'd had that dual crowbar ruling a few days ago, I might have won against The Dreamer. ;)

Mr. Fixer vs Magicarp.....Magicarp wins!!!

Plays Grease Gun

That dual crowbars buff is awesome. I crushed the matriarch and plague rat with it this morning. that infection damage looks so sweet when it hits him for 5 damage

Yeah. i had him hit the operative for 25 damage, and then the next turn hit the chairman for about 30, so he really isnt weak at all.

Wow. How did you get 25 damage out of Fixer? I like Fixer a lot and am still working out the kinks on him. The best I've done so far was 8 damage on the second hit of a Dual Crowbar.

You know you can't target the same target twice with Crow Bars.

Legacy had inspiring presence and galvanized, there was an explosive wagon out, ra had imbued fire out, and i had grease money fist, harmony and duel crowbars. So my total was at +7. I played out overdrive, where i hit one of the chairmans thug for 8, and then hit the operative for 8 + another 8 because of nemesis rules. So i hit her for 16, twice. So it was actually 32 damage dealt.

Edit: Nvm. I read your post wrong haha

I would say Mr.Fixer is like unity amd AZ. not useful all the time, but when he is, he can really lay a beatdown on the opponent

What do you mean another 8 for nemesis? Nemesis just means that you add one to the damage being dealt.

He hit the thug for 8 damage. You now take that 8 damage, add in the +7 from damage modifiers, and tack on an extra +1 for the nemesis, and you get 16 damage to the Operative with the second crowbar swing.

Ah, I see. In my case, an Infected Fixer had bit himself for 4 (Inspiring Presence, Galvanize, Grease Monkey (I think)), and then used the second hit to hit Plague Rat for 8.

It also seems as if Jack Handle trumps Infection attack, since it causes him to do "that damage" to all non-hero targets whenever he would do damage. It happened in one of my games yesterday. Fixer went to do himself 1 Irreducible, but instead dealt 1 Irreducible to all non-heroes thanks to Jack Handle.

There's all sorts of odd effects with Fixer that I'm learning from the app. When I've played before, I just played that Fixer dealt himself the 1 damage from Infection and THEN did the damage to all non-hero targets.

Mr. Fixer is probably single handedly the best Hero to pit off against plaugue rat

Chrono-Ranger knocks Mr Fixer into a cocked (Jim's) hat vs. Plague Rat, especially on advanced.

Really? I guess that makes sense because of plaugue rat being his nemesis and all, but I guess I've never tried it before. It just feels like mr fixer can doma lot to counter PR, he can redirect with driving mantis, he canncounter hit with jack handlemor duel crowbars, etc. But i guess i can see chrono ranger beimg really good now that ypu mention it.

Hunter and Hunted on an infected Ranger is an instant win.

Oh. Wow. That is just not right. Except that now it is.

The app is opening a lot of people's eyes about how Mr. Fixer is supposed to work....

Is that a dig on Mister Fixer's eyes not working? That's pretty mean.

Sadly most of it is the change to Crowbars.

I don't love the Crowbars change, just because Fixer wasn't underpowered before hand but now for anytime there is more than one target you want to hit, Crowbars is such the obvious choice that it makes his other tools pale by comparison.

It wasn't a dig… until you said something!

Wow, it even made his other tools change color! I thought he needed a greased up monkey to do that.

i don't mind the Dual Crowbars' change. Sure it ups his damage a bit, but it hasn't changed the way I play him. The main way it changed the way I play is that Driving Mantis + Dual Crowbars is not nearly as awesome as it used to be, which was frequently my go to combo as it was 4 damage to a single target or 2 damage to 2 targets.

I generally found this to be true before the ruling. Crowbars is just awesome. If I don't have any styles in play, I'll usually prioritize Crowbars or Pipe Wrench. If you need Fixer to provide steady damage output, Crowbars is generally your best bet, though the villain you're fighting and possible external damage boosts can change that.

I agree with your assement of crowbar

It's power is greatest by far

but it's still hard to find

So, at least in my mind

it's power does not overawe

Since Fixer doesn't have any tool tutors, or any draw other than Toolbox, you won't always have Crowbars in hand to use.  So even though it might be generally the most powerful tool, it doesn't overshadow the others the same way (for example) the Ultimate Target and By Any Means tend to get used more frequently than other bounties.

While this is true, it doesn't stop me from wishing I had Crowbars most of the time instead of tire iron.

I love hoist chain. It has won me the game twice already against the Chairman and the Matriarch. Being able to weather retaliation damage is crucial.

Edit: That said, the crowbar change is awesome. I love being able to turn infection damage into a mini Isothermic Transducer

Well, the problem being that before I learned about the Crowbar rulechange, I always kind of thought they were just a less useful jack handle. Because all your getting out of it is +1 damage, which is something you can just get from Legacy anyway. I would rather have a  hit all targets than hit two for one extra damage. So I'm glad the ruling came around, it made the Crowbars more desirable than the Jack Handle in more scenarios.

They always served different purposes. One hits everything, which can be an issue in quite a few fights ( Dawn, Ambuscade, Voss sometimes, Matriarch and Chairman, and that's just who's been released already). The other hits 2, but it hits harder, which was useful because Strike is by nature a weak power. But with his deck, if it were much stronger it would be overpowered.

Wondering how that works, when an Infection on CR with HaH out will deal him 1+2xBounties Irreducible Toxic each round (HaH gets him for damage dealt and damage by, since he's hitting himself). It's suicide. He also takes 1+Bounties+Nemesis Irreducible Melee from PR each round. That's 3+3xBounties every round, minimum. That gets really huge really fast.

[Edit: Should have added thoughts on Fixer.]

I like Fixer. One Handelabra video suggests that he fixes problems, and that can be true. So long as he deals damage with Riveting Crane, then everyone cuts through the Damage reduction. Or he can bypass it alone with ATC to get rid of a high Def problem. Or he can redirect.

His damage isn't enormous, and he has no monster damage plays, so DPS players won't like him, but not all enemies need that. He does well in a target rich environment, where Chrono-ranger has issues with such decks.

He lacks healing. And he builds slow, since he has no capacity to play a second card per round. In a straight up comparison against Wraith, who I used in my CR comparison, Wraith comes out faster and harder than Mr. Fixer ever could, and has just as many options, except in the one case where Fixer goes for Crowbars. Fixer really needs to continue to build past Style+Tool+Harmony. He caps out far too low. Still, he has variety and flexibility that many DPS characters lack.

What does DPS mean?

Dancing Pinata School. The best way to defeat villains is to throw Pinatas filled with delicious candy at them. I thought this was clear.

Also, damage per second. DPS is used more generally to mean "damage dealer" as a role. So Tempest, Ra, Expatriette, etc. could be called "DPS" although it's technically inaccurate. 

(If you already know this and the question was facetious, oops)

Hah, I hadn't thought of that combo. But what's wrong with it now? It's now 5 damage to a single target or 2 damage to one target and 3 to another.

That people haven't figured out that without outside buffs the first hit still does 2 damage?

It doesn’t work because the second attack can’t hit the same final target of the first attack, and the second attack is for 3 damage which can’t be redirected.

So, if you hit Fixer for the first attack, then redirect it to a target, the second attack can’t hit that target. If the first attack hits a target, then the second attack is 3 and can’t be redirected.

Why is it not possible to redirect the second attack?

Driving Mantis can only redirect damage that is 2 or less, 3 is above that.

Ah, I missed that on the card.

Thanks!

And no, it wasn't really a facetious question, since I genuinely had never heard either the term or the abbreviation before.

Sure, I could have simply googled the answer but I kind of wanted to make the point that people should be careful with abbreviations and jargon and such, because sometimes people don't know what you mean because they haven't been exposed to that terminology previously.

Totally understandable, and happy to help. The concept/terminology of DPS comes from video games where it is totally possible to measure damage output per second.

I agree with this! I've been playing this game for a few months, now, and I still haven't 100% trained my mind not to read "AZ" as "Arizona."

See, that never occurred to me at all! But we don't have an Arizona here in the UK.

I wonder if Absolute Zero is the only character who could be confused with a state?

I don't see any offhand, but Super Scientific Tachyon / SST could be supersonic transport.

Also GI Bunker / Gastro-intestinal bunker, which sounds pretty horrifying to me.

Stop trying to set off my IBS.

Yes, DPS means damage per second, which may seem to not apply, but it actually does. More DPS means a faster game, whether by doing more damage per play or doing more damage by playing faster. Increasing damage per card and shortening time played per card both increase DPS.

No, that paragraph was not serious. There just isn't any other term I can think of that would be short and sweet and carry the meaning. Honestly had no idea anyone around here would never have encountered it before.

I don't play the kind of video games where I'd need a term for "speed of hittiness". *shrug*

I am adopting "speed of hittiness" as my prefered DPS alternative.

My PC gamers mates will love me for it, im sure ;)

I've been crushing everything with Fixer.  Fixer plus Wraith  = neutered villains.

Fixer + Riveting Crane + Jack Handle + The Wraith + 3 copies of Mega Computer + The Visionary + Mass Levitation = Environment hits villains only.

That is downright mean.  Well played.

Edit: And now I want to play this team.  Need some witty team name about Location, Location, Location.

Where does one find this mention of a buff?

Here

Dual Crowbars works somewhat like Isothermic Transducer. The final damage dealt from the first instance of damage forms the initial amount/type/irreducibility of the second instance of damage. That means you can benefit twice from damage increases.

Welcome to the forums!

Thanks!

Also, Thanks!

I had to track that down myself last night. Then I got a chance to play it on the app today.

I've fallen more in love with Mr. Fixer and I'm terrified what it will look like with DW Fixer.

Was playing Mr. Fixer on the app last night and had a very weird circumstance that I'm guessing wasn't play as intended.  I had SST use Experiment to play cards from the bottom of Mr. Fixer's deck.  Out come TWO OVERDRIVES.  I was like crap, that's annoying, but at least they'll be in my trash.  But then low and behold the app lets me use Strike 4 times!

If you play overdrive as a result of some other means, does that mean you get to use strike twice immediatelly, or is it intended to allow you to use it twice IF you first get a power usage?

Actually that was the second weird thing in the same game.  I also had Expatriatte out with Pride, Prejudice, and Tactical Shotgun.  I played Unload, so I have 3 powers.  First power, Load to play an ammo, second power, Pride, then I wanted to use Prejudice as a "free" power with shotgun at the end, but the app counted Prejudice as my third power and forced me to move on to draw.  So what I had to do was go back and use in order Load, then Shotgun, then Pride with a free Prejudice.

If the extra power comes out not on your turn, you use it immediately. However, you should have only had two used of Strike not four.

Also, Expat was working correctly. Unload gives extra power uses, regardless of where they came from. So if you use Prejudice early, it will count as an Unload power.

I'm pretty sure you should have gotten only 2 strikes.  Because of the way it's worded, Overdrive gives you 2 bonus strikes when played on someone else's turn, but it doesn't stack.  The "2 uses of strike" provided by Overdrive overlap with, but are seperate from, the regular power use.  If Fixer has been granted another power (e.g. from Plague Rat, or Cosmic Weapon), he can actually use 3 powers in a turn.  Play Overdrive, then use the other power for the main power use.  He can still use Strike twice, which totals to 3 powers.

Unload behaved correctly.  Like Fixer above, Pride lets you fire Prejudice regardless of whether you normally would be allowed to, but it still counts as a power use towards your total power use quota.

EDIT: ninja'd

What Pydro and Lupus said.

"You may use Mr. Fixer's Strike Power twice this turn."

The first Overdrive comes into play, Fixer strikes twice, Overdrive is resolved and goes to his trash.

The second Overdrive comes into play, Fixer strikes twice, Overdrive is resolved and goes to his trash.

Looks to me like it is working as intended.

Fixed that for you.  The same thing should happen if Unload is played twice in one turn - the effects shouldn't stack.

The key is that Overdrive and Unload aren't adding additional powers - they're setting the number of powers (or of Strike powers) you can use.  In Overdrive's case, that number is set to 2.  Multiple Overdrives will simply set that number to 2 multiple times.

Yeah Overdrive should only work once.  He already used Strike twice from the first Overdrive.   

Disagree.

Second Overdrive allows it. It doesn't say anything about "extra". It reads you can use it twice. No limitations.

If SST's Experiment brought out two Unloads for Expatriette, I would fully expect her to go to town with all her guns blazing and Setback reloading for her.

Even according to you, a second Unloaf wouldn’t do much, since she couldn’t reuse the powers.

Overdrive says you can use Strike twice this turn and after the first Overdrive you have fulfilled that.  So the second Overdrive does nothing since Strike was already used twice this turn unless you skipped using Strike for some reason.  Even if Fixer managed to play Overdrive twice on his own turn he can still only use Strike twice on his turn. 

It has already been an official ruling that more than 1 Overdrive played would still only result in 2 Strikes max. The reason Pydro gave above is 100% correct.

Maybe this is like Crowbars where there has been a change in the previous official ruling. But I'm inclined to think it's a bug.

Hey MigrantP, are you lurking around anywhere?

It's a bug, it's mentioned at the bottom of the Fireside chat thread.

Even if Mr. Fixer is able to play multiple Overdrives in one turn, he still only gets to use Strike twice that turn.

That would be a bug. gailon24, please send us a bug report in-game from the Credits screen, or here: http://handelabra.com/contact/

It's hard to provide customer support in a busy forum thread =)

Awesome, will do.  Wanted to verify what was SUPPOSED to happen first.  Honestly I didn't even know that if overdrive is played on someone ELSE'S turn that I would get ANY strikes.

You always follow the cards instructions to the letter.

But for a little more clarification, extra powers work as follows.

If you gain an extra power on your turn, you use it during your power phase.

If you gain an extra power on someone elses turn, you use it immediately.