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Heros' real names

29 posts · 897 views · started 2015-01-22 15:06 UTC
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jffdougan
2015-01-22 15:06 UTC
#1

Is it just me, or are there some number of heroes that you find yourself referring to by their "civilian" name more than their moniker?

I'm especially guilty of it with Absolute Zero / Ryan Frost, but do it some with Indestructible Bunker / Tyler Vance, Expatriette / Amanda Cohen, and Parse / Kim Howell.

And, typing this out has made me realize that Citizen Dawn and Expatriette are almost certainly Jewish, Dawn's blonde hair aside. The surname Cohen is really rare outside that ethnic group. Means they're even earlier than Unity as Jewish characters in the Sentinel Comics 'verse.

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Pydro
2015-01-22 15:09 UTC
#2

I use Devra and Maia a lot.

Also, if Dawn is being compared to Magneto, then it could make sense that she is Jewish.

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XXVZ
2015-01-22 15:25 UTC
#3

I love the names Blake Washington, Ryan Frost and Maia Montgomery, though I rarely use them if I'm talking about them as heroes.

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Arcanist_Lupus
2015-01-22 15:37 UTC
#4

always refer to La Capitan as Maria Helena Teresa Fafila Servanda Jimena Mansuara Paterna Domenga Gelvira Placia Sendina Belita Eufemia Columba Gontina Aldonza Mafalda Cristina Tegrida de Falcon.

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Killswitch
2015-01-22 15:48 UTC
#5

For me, the only one I really use is Amina. Sometimes Ryan Frost.

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Foote
2015-01-22 15:50 UTC
#6

I think since Tactics indroduced a new Ra that Blake Washington is becoming more common than just Ra

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Silverleaf
2015-01-22 16:58 UTC
#7

I almost never use "real" names, but I use nicknames all the time.

[Edit] To clarify in response to my later post, all my nicknames are ones where it's are extremely easy to work out who I'm referencing without bio/lore knowledge - usually just obvious shortenings of their hero/villain name such as Akash or Chrono or sometimes silly things like Tachylbox or That Stupid *inset expletive here* Boat.

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Ameena
2015-01-22 17:02 UTC
#8

I nearly always refer to Chrono Ranger as Jim, sometimes call Wraith Maia, and occasionally refer to the Adept as Drake or Mr Drake (because "Anthony" is boring but "Drake" is cool so I don't bother with his first name ;)). On the villain side of things I often refer to the Matriarch as Lilian, especially when typing because it's much easier ;).

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Silverleaf
2015-01-22 17:37 UTC
#9

I avoid it mostly because it reminds me of jargon, and has basically the same effect of alienating people who aren't part of our little fanperson club.

Your average player hasn't read the bios and even if they have, the haven't memorised everyone's real names. I have to think for a second to recall them myself. And even in a G+ hangout full of experienced players a few weeks ago we had to look up Parse's name (I was 80% sure Parse was Kim but we didn't know her surname) and I was the only one who knew KNYFE's.

I worry that this "jargon" effect can make newer people especially feel confused and left out because they don't know what we're talking about. This is why I don't like unexplained acronyms/abbreviations either. If you don't know who "Drake" is or what "EPE" means you either have to ask and risk looking stupid, or keep quiet and not understand and feel stupid, or work it out from context if it's possible. And that makes us look like an exclusive and mildly unwelcoming little club, and we're very much not.

Similarly, descriptions that only reference card art and/or flavour text exclude people who don't have them all memorised. And Magic the Gathering-specific slang like "mill" and "tutor" are totally untransparent to people who haven't played that game extensively.

So yeah. If I abbreviate or use nicknames or real names, I only do it when I'm pretty damned sure everyone else knows what I mean or can work it out easily from context, because I want to keep things as accessible as possible. (No problem with things like Dawn, or Expat, or OX, or Time Cat, or whatever, because they are trivially simple to figure out).

 

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jffdougan
2015-01-22 17:53 UTC
#10

I tend to agree with most of what Silverleaf has said right above me, especially because 95% or more of my Sentinels play is with people who are relatively new to the game. It's why it sticks with me that I almost never even think of Absolute Zero by that title anymore, but just as Ryan.

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XXVZ
2015-01-22 19:54 UTC
#11

Well, that's a given

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Codeman90
2015-01-22 20:31 UTC
#12

We keep using random nicknames in my group. The amount of times Chrono Ranger has been referred to as "Chrono Trigger" has probably been more than his actual hero name. Also another friend and I are pretty big Megaman X fans so Omnitron X and Absolute Zero are pretty much unanimously called "X and Zero" Besides with that font on Omnitron X's character card, obviously a nod to Megaman X =p

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LACK_OF_SUBTLETY
2015-01-23 05:37 UTC
#13

I have always tried to follow this philosophy. It is very intimidating entering a new social circle and learning the lingo that is present in the widely available material is hard enough without having to deal with another layer of code language. Admittedly, it is normal for any group to start developing a shorthand, but it is always wise to remember that those who are new don't know it and can be confused by it easily.

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Reckless
2015-01-23 05:47 UTC
#14

We still heavily employ a cult of personality around a lot of forum members, though. I check this place daily and I don’t even understand some of the memes that have exploded around some players. I don’t even know how a new member must process a “Damn it, Ronway!” or Siege Breaker’s disdain of the Cursed Acolyte.

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Ronway
2015-01-23 05:55 UTC
#15

I'm so popular!

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McBehrer
2015-01-23 05:58 UTC
#16

Or how none of us agree on anything, even when we all day the same thing, just for the sake of not agreeing with each other.

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Pydro
2015-01-23 06:01 UTC
#17

I disagree.

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Arcanist_Lupus
2015-01-23 06:32 UTC
#18

At least the pun threads are fairly self explanitory.

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Matchstickman
2015-01-23 12:48 UTC
#19

Haha! I get it, very funny pun!I don't really get it

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Silverleaf
2015-01-23 13:29 UTC
#20

I think "Damn it, Ronway!" Is understandable as soon as you see that Ronway is a forum member (which would take about three seconds on pretty much any thread).

And it means literally nothing more than an expression of annoyance or exasperation at said forum member. I don't think it's ever been used in such a way to make anyone suspect it means anything else.

It certainly doesn't compare to using a completely different word for someone/something that you can't understand unless you've read and remembered a bio or extensively played a completely different game.

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dpt
2015-01-23 14:11 UTC
#21

I don't read most uses of "Damn it, Ronway!" as expressing any sort of genuine annoyance at Ronway.

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Silverleaf
2015-01-23 14:59 UTC
#22

Of course, light-hearted joke annoyance.

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Reckless
2015-01-23 18:19 UTC
#23

Like an inside joke that the established forum members get.  I'm not saying it's a bad thing.  It's just something that will need to be explained to new members, just like the acronyms or initialisms that we've used for certain decks, characters, and card sets.

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twelveohone
2015-01-23 19:00 UTC
#24

Huh, I guess I'm an exception, then.

 

I tend to see shorthand, codewords and nicknames in new gaming groups as a positive thing. It piques my interest and makes me want to learn about the new games/group. I think it makes me feel more like the game is truly loved and accepted, rather then just something folks are playing at the moment.

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Silverleaf
2015-01-24 01:17 UTC
#25

There really isn't anything there to "get". And really, the forum still makes sense if you for some reason can't work out that occasionally someone (usually me) expresses comedy exasperation at a particular person. It doesn't need "explaining". It isn't the same as jargon or uncommon game-specific terms.

A post full of abbreviations/obscure names is difficult or impossible for a person who doesn't have sufficient game knowledge to understand. I don't like that and think we should minimise it where we can, especially as we get more and more characters and cards and more new members.

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Reckless
2015-01-24 07:03 UTC
#26

“Then an EPE was played from Omnitron’s deck” is something that can be searched for in an individual’s copy of the deck. Finding an Electro Pulse Explosive in its deck would allow someone to make the connection.

Train puns, forum member dynamics, and remarks like “Damn it, Ronway!” or “Fat eyes!” involves researching what that means from subjective experience(s) in this corner of the internet that some members of this forum have never experienced at all.

Of course, there is always the option of asking “What do you mean?” when either of those situations come up. I, personally, am all for cultivating a friendly atmosphere for everyone where there is no shame in asking for clarification.

And, to be on topic, my group regularly refers to Chrono-Ranger as Jim.

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Arcanist_Lupus
2015-01-24 07:37 UTC
#27

Jim has an advantage in name recognition because of his hat.

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Medic-Tank
2015-01-24 08:49 UTC
#28

I tend to refer to the scholar as John as i can’t imagine him commonly using a formal name.

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Theta_Sigma
2015-01-29 14:44 UTC
#29

I refer to Absolute Zero as Ryan Frost if we're talking story (which we do a lot), or if he's not in his suit, but if we're just playing, he's 'Zero', because we're lazy. Other heroes get called by name while discussing story as well, and we get confused with the Legacies. Heroes and villains may get first-named if I'm frustrated with them "Come on Paul, you can be Inspiring!"